Do you believe in God?

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Do you believe in god?

  • Of course, without him nothing would exist!

    Votes: 624 30.6%
  • Maybe.

    Votes: 368 18.0%
  • No way!

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Also, Jesus was almost always depicted as a white man in art and literature related to Christianity. Yet he was born in Palestine......

Unfortunately there's little to no evidence of an actual historical Jesus. There may have been; there were many wandering eccentric mystics, sages, prophets and saviour figures in that part of the world at that time, but there's no strong evidence for Jesus. Not a mention of said character during the alleged time of his life. Nada. Strange that.

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_followup.htm


http://www.bandoli.no/

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/



(more links if ya want 'em)
 
Unfortunately there's little to no evidence of an actual historical Jesus. There may have been; there were many wandering eccentric mystics, sages, prophets and saviour figures in that part of the world at that time, but there's no strong evidence for Jesus. Not a mention of said character during the alleged time of his life. Nada. Strange that.

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_followup.htm


http://www.bandoli.no/

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/



(more links if ya want 'em)

Oh but the BIBLE Says..... lol just kidding. It's sad when people can't grasp the idea of a fictional 2000 year old book NOT being the basis for your life.
 
boomee
You my friend are absolutely wrong but we can argue back and forth all the time I will pray for you but I completly disagree and you definitly need to study the bible again

I notice you didn't make any attempts to correct what he wrote, if it was that incorrect?
 
ChaosStar79
Oh but the BIBLE Says..... lol just kidding. It's sad when people can't grasp the idea of a fictional 2000 year old book NOT being the basis for your life.

I cannot understand why you, or others get so frustrated when people have such beliefs.
In any other other argument, people generally respect other people's opinion on this website. For some reason though, people mock ad show a general lack of respect towards people who have any faith or religion.

Please show sone respect like I am showing when discussing this topic. I understand arguments about beliefs can get heated as people are so passionate about their views, but can we all try to keep it down.
 
I'm not part of any religion (unless you call the Internet a religion), but I wouldn't hesitate to believe in some sort of magical superbeing. Although this "God" stuff is preposterous, I don't not think there is some all powerful entity of sorts. The real question is what is this being and what is it. Also, here's how I feel about Christianity, and religion in general:

 
tankass95
i cannot understand why you, or others get so frustrated when people have such beliefs.
In any other other argument, people generally respect other people's opinion on this website. For some reason though, people mock ad show a general lack of respect towards people who have any faith or religion.

Please show sone respect like i am showing when discussing this topic. I understand arguments about beliefs can get heated as people are so passionate about their views, but can we all try to keep it down.

+1 Thats the great thing about opinions, they are neither right or wrong.
 
I cannot understand why you, or others get so frustrated when people have such beliefs.

We are doomed if skepticism and critical thinking skills do not become standard components of humankind at some point in this century. If we continue to fail to teach the majority of children on Earth how to doubt, how to ask questions and how to think for themselves, we will self-destruct. Think about it, how can global civilization continue to survive with the same high levels of stupidy and fantasy while the ability to create increasingly powerful weapons rises? We are in a race against ourselves. (Guy P. Harrison)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4fQA9mt-Mg



In any other other argument, people generally respect other people's opinion on this website. For some reason though, people mock ad show a general lack of respect towards people who have any faith or religion.

http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u/85/WPAC_cGVnUg
 
TJC_69
The bible states that God created man in his own image .

Evolution proves that we have ancestors / common ancestors that don't resemble man at all .

( The reason why this issue causes a huge uproar in US schools can logically be deduced as anything that goes against the Bible cannot be fact , as God himself said it is not true .... And all that dark ages rubbish . )

So therefore I deduce that God does not exist , the Bible is the most successful fictional hardback in history & God is just a coping mechanism of ancient man to try & understand his surroundings .

I respect peoples rights to believe in whatever they like . If you believe , for example , that your grandma's teapot is your ultimate saviour then that's just fine by me .

I believe in facts & proof , & since nobody has proved there is a God in 4.5 billion years then i'll just have to use my own logic instead.

This just saved me from typing.
Also I believe Jesus did exist, and did great things, but Christianity wasn't created by him.
 
OK this is a serious question since I'm seeing more and more topics spring up on the internet, why can't atheist just theist alone? I agree you can debate them if they are trying to shove their faith down your throat, but I think the same holds true for militant atheist shoving their "facts" down the throats of the theists.

I believe in God, however I don't belong to any religion, attend any services (well I do attend shul occasionally) or believe in much else outside a supernatural being. I used to be a diehard atheist, but after studying and reflecting I ended up landing on to many unanswered questions that made me doubt it. I don't push my belief in God on anyone, nor would I tell someone who says they don't believe in God they are flat out wrong. There isn't any evidence to really prove or disprove, so it all comes down to your own interpretation of what's out there.

I do find evangelicals to be highly annoying but I also find the extremely outspoken atheist to be as equally as annoying.

It's just a question I have and I've never really been able to get an answer other then "we are trying to show the religious the errors in their way."
 
Tic Tach
We are doomed if skepticism and critical thinking skills do not become standard components of humankind at some point in this century. If we continue to fail to teach the majority of children on Earth how to doubt, how to ask questions and how to think for themselves, we will self-destruct. Think about it, how can global civilization continue to survive with the same high levels of stupidy and fantasy while the ability to create increasingly powerful weapons rises? We are in a race against ourselves. (Guy P. Harrison)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4fQA9mt-Mg

http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u/85/WPAC_cGVnUg

But it is not your beliefs and your life. Why would you care if somebody believes in God or not? And really, calling people who believe in God stupid because they dont believe what you believe.
 
But it is not your beliefs and your life. Why would you care if somebody believes in God or not?

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And really, calling people who believe in God stupid because they dont believe what you believe.

Fail. I don't have any "beliefs".
 
I have a question for those GTPers who believe in God.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/10/genes-of-extinct-ancestor-survive-in-modern-humans.ars

What say you about human evolution, "cave men," and the rest of the abundant evidence which points anywhere but towards Adam and Eve? The Bible doesn't mention neanderthals, but the bones do exist. How do you feel about this?

I see nothing wrong with human evolution, in fact I studied it while at university for my degree. I also see no reason why evolution and God can't coexist.
 
The standard answer to expect ( From various communities ) is twofold -

1 . Evolution is fake

2 . All of the fossil record was put there to test our faith.

Gotta love faith . 👍

Thats why conversations like this fail because there is always a salty smart alec
 
On a more thoughtful opinion, I must say that religions are just instruments of control and power, Rome did that with catholicism and protestants do it nowadays.

It's a ground-breaking amount of information and teaching, designed to prevent public chaos, keep things in check and raise some tax free money. I believe we'll get to enough scientific breakthroughs that might lead to a definitive equation on the formation of the universe someday, until that, we know little about it.

I was once in my lifetime, a hardcore atheist that denied the existence of a creator in every way, but as for now, I believe that some sort of intelligent design has taken place to form the universe, what or who created said design is unknown. Nevertheless, all evidences collected by science so far suggests (at least to me...) the non-existence of a god as we know it.
 
Dan_
On a more thoughtful opinion, I must say that religions are just instruments of control and power, Rome did that with catholicism and protestants do it nowadays.

It's a ground-breaking amount of information and teaching, designed to prevent public chaos, keep things in check and raise some tax free money. I believe we'll get to enough scientific breakthroughs that might lead to a definitive equation on the formation of the universe someday, until that, we know little about it.

I was once in my lifetime, a hardcore atheist that denied the existence of a creator in every way, but as for now, I believe that some sort of intelligent design has taken place to form the universe, what or who created said design is unknown. Nevertheless, all evidences collected by science so far suggests (at least to me...) the non-existence of a god as we know it.


At least you dont attack and make fun of people who believe in God like some people here...cough...Tic Tach...cough. Much respect for that.
 
OK this is a serious question since I'm seeing more and more topics spring up on the internet, why can't atheist just theist alone?
Here's a summary of why I feel the need to argue against religion:
Alyeska2112 from reddit
"From an angry outsider's perspective, we're just a bunch of know-it-all jerks who want to stick our noses in other peoples' business and piss on their beliefs. We're the ultimate trolls, raining on everyone else's parade for no reason other than we're huge ****heads.
But what these folks are missing is that we're not merely pointing out their convictions out of spite. And we're certainly not upset just because we disagree with their point of view. The problem is that religion - and in the Western world (the U.S. especially), that would be squarely on the shoulders of Christianity - has been so much more than simply another way of looking at the world. It has been a tool of ignorance, hate, rape, slavery, murder and genocide. And in current times, it bombards us (again, especially in the U.S.) with an unceasing shower of judgement, scorn and bullying. Religion creeps into our schools, our science classes even. It makes itself home in our politics, our social views, our very laws. Those who adhere to religion FORCE their beliefs on the rest of us, from the Pledge of Allegiance, to testifying in court, to our currency, to the Cub Scouts. Religion has wormed its tentacles into every facet of our daily lives, often to cruel degrees.
Thanks to religion, our social norms dictate what entertainment we can and can't consume. Thanks to religion, our political leaders feel obligated to thank GOD as our savior. Thanks to religion, my son can't openly admit at Cub Scouts that he thinks the idea of worshipping a god ("Poseidon", to use his example) is just silly. Thanks to religion, countless people die every day in third world conflicts, and in developed countries, folks still have to worry about coming out, or dating outside their race, or questioning moral authorities. Most U.S. states still ban gay marriage, and most fail to specifically make gay adoption legal. Hell, we only let gays serve in the military openly this year. Thanks to religion.
So when someone rolls their eyes and tells you to get over it, remind them how full of nonsense they are. Our waking lives are policed, lawyered, goverened and judged nonstop by the effects of two thousand heavyhanded years of Christianity, and those who don't think that still holds true in our modern day hasn't got a clue. You can't even buy a beer on certain days in certain places thanks to religion. It infests us and our society like a cancer. But because most people like this particular cancer, they don't see the problem. And when we get pissy about it all, they call us jerks and whine about their beliefs.
I hate living in a zealous world, and I hate having to constantly play by their nonsensical, fairytale rules. If I need to vent once in a while about yet another right-wing religious leader banging some guy in a motel room, or yet another church cover-up of child rape, or yet another religious special interest interfering with my political system while simultaneously receiving tax-exempt status, it's not because I'm being mean where their "beliefs" are concerned. It's because I choose to use my brain, and when I open my eyes, the world I see pisses me off. If they could form a critical, independent thought, they'd feel the same way.


It's a little harsh perhaps, and not all religious people are to blame for the problems above, but nonetheless those problems wouldn't exist without religion.
 
Joey D
OK, this is a serious question since I'm seeing more and more topics spring up on the internet. Why can't atheist just leave theists alone?

OK, this is a serious answer: It's because many feel that we are at a point in time where we simply can't afford to coddle and "respect" primitive, superstitious stupidity. The idea that holding false beliefs is harmless is FALSE.

http://whatstheharm.net/




I agree you can debate them if they are trying to shove their faith down your throat, but I think the same holds true for militant atheist shoving their "facts" down the throats of the theists.

Hey, you're making it sound like theists are being persecuted, when history shows that they have had the market cornered on that, and still do in many ways. Just try being an "out" atheist in many parts of the US; you'll be ostricized and demonized. This is nothing more than robust debate and debunking in appropriate places in the face of baseless assertions. If said baseless assertions aren't able to stand up to scrutiny, then are they really worth holding? Why are they so delicate and fragile? Hint: because they're not true.


Faith: the effort to believe that which your common sense tells you is not true. (Elbert Hubbard)


I used to be a diehard atheist, but after studying and reflecting I ended up landing on to many unanswered questions that made me doubt it.

Made you doubt what? Atheism is not an "ism", it is merely not believing in a god or gods. That's it. Nothing more.

What unanswered questions did you have, and how did supernatural BS from primitive desert men get ushered in as a satisfying answer?






There isn't any evidence to really prove or disprove, so it all comes down to your own interpretation of what's out there.

Nonsense. The theist is making the claim(s). It is the claim maker who is saddled with providing evidence, and the greater the claim, the greater the evidence ought to be.





I do find evangelicals to be highly annoying but I also find the extremely outspoken atheist to be as equally as annoying.


Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. (Sam Harris)


I was a serious christian for many years. Why? Because it's what was inculcated into my unformed mind since birth. I resent that my mind was abused with a false map of reality, and I really wish there was an internet when I was young, so that maybe I could have woken up from the delusion and mental virus called "faith" earlier, but that's the way it worked out.



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At least you dont attack and make fun of people who believe in God like some people here...cough...Tic Tach...cough. Much respect for that.

I have not "attacked" or made fun of people, rather debunked untenable beliefs. They are separate entities.
 
At least you dont attack and make fun of people who believe in God like some people here...cough...Tic Tach...cough. Much respect for that.

My parents are christians and I was educated as a catholic since kindergarten. One thing is surely perceivable, faith is a feeling as much as love is, it's pretty humilliating to point your finger towards a believer and say that all his feelings and thoughts are wrong, you can't do that as much as you can't offend one's mom.

I believe that people should be free to express their sexual preferences, beliefs ( or lack thereof ) and political point of view, I don't think Tic Tac was being disrespectful towards any belief, he's just strongly making his point. Although the usage of 9/11 images to vindicate religion as a stupidity was a little bit excessive, and as I pointed out, might sound offensive or rude if you don't semantically analyze the posts.
 
Dan_
My parents are christians and I was educated as a catholic since kindergarten. One thing is surely perceivable, faith is a feeling as much as love is, it's pretty humilliating to point your finger towards a believer and say that all his feelings and thoughts are wrong, you can't do that as much as you can't offend one's mom.

I believe that people should be free to express their sexual preferences, beliefs ( or lack thereof ) and political point of view, I don't think Tic Tac was being disrespectful towards any belief, he's just strongly making his point. Although the usage of 9/11 images to vindicate religion as a stupidity was a little bit excessive, and as I pointed out, might sound offensive or rude if you don't semantically analyze the posts.

Calling people stupid because they have an opinion different from yours isnt disrespectful? Might just be me.
 
Calling people stupid because they have an opinion different from yours isnt disrespectful? Might just be me.

He said this -
Tic Tach

Think about it, how can global civilization continue to survive with the same high levels of stupidy and fantasy while the ability to create increasingly powerful weapons rises? We are in a race against ourselves. (Guy P. Harrison)

And I do believe he was referencing / quoting Guy P . Harrison , and therefore those are not Tic Tach's words. 👍
 
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