Do you believe in God?

[G.T.Ace]

Yes of course I know, I only asked you if you knew what you said.

No I don't, I type in random words and hope the result makes sense.

Also, you double posted again.

 

[Famine]

Okay. You even quoted the link I told you to go to, but still you're double-posting?

I think I've been patient enough with you now. This double-posting stops.

Oh and it also describe the orbit of the two stars rotating on them with the exact number which is 49.9?

Sirius B wasn't discovered until the 1840s. It's not written about in the Qu'ran. The orbital period of 49.9 years is not written about in the Qu'ran either. It's one of those retcons where people find out something, then try to find references to it in their chosen text because they want to - on this occasion by reading two verses with those old and outdated numbers in them. Which is irrelevant since the more accurate number we've come up with is 50.09 years with an error margin of 0.055 years (that's 20 days).

 

[CodeName]

Okay. You even quoted the link I told you to go to, but still you're double-posting?

I think I've been patient enough with you now. This double-posting stops.Sirius B wasn't discovered until the 1840s. It's not written about in the Qu'ran. The orbital period of 49.9 years is not written about in the Qu'ran either - which is irrelevant since it's 50.1 years.

Sorry for double posting, I didn't knew it was as disturbing. GOD never make mistake and I think that 49,9 without incertitude is a better find than 50,1 with incertitude, also, you steel don't ser the miracle there I don't know why.
Also, I'm going to sleep right now because of work, so I wouldn't respond anything until tomorrow ( I live in France ) .

 

[Sir Tuddle]

Qualiasoup again
You should watch this one, Codename.

 

[nsite]

I believe in All That Is. The feeble minds of humans cannot and should not attempt to comprehend the scope and/or magnitude of the power of the Creator(s). Humans are nothing but mere grains of sand on the beach of existence. Humans, unfortunately have been conditioned to think they are at the apex of all that is living yet they fail to even understand themselves let alone that which MAY have had a role in their crevolution.

 

[Famine]

GOD never make mistake and I think that 49,9 without incertitude is a better find than 50,1 with incertitude

Fortunately, what you prefer has no bearing on the reality of it. The fact is, within a 20 day accuracy, Sirius A has an orbital period of 50.09 years.

Fortunately for you, the alleged 49.9 number (also why would you need a margin for error with that if Allah doesn't err?) isn't written down for Sirius's orbital period anywhere in the Qu'ran. Nor is the companion star Sirius B.

also, you steel don't ser the miracle there I don't know why.

There is no miracle. The Qu'ran doesn't use any data for Sirius A. It doesn't mention Sirius B. Folk latching on to the wrong (that is "right, within a 0.2 year certainty") numbers published in the 1800s decided that reading two verses number 49 and 9 together talked about the Sirius star system. That's not prediction from the Qu'ran - it's retconning of the words, just like they do with every Nostradamus quatrain.

Like I said three days ago in this thread. Perhaps I predicted the future...

 

[Sir Tuddle]

Like I said three days ago in this thread. Perhaps I predicted the future...

Famine write a book, it will be our undeniable truth, and you will be our god. 👍

 

[Super Novi]

This is hilarious.

<grabs lawn chairs and popcorn and watches.>

 

[DegenThought]

This is hilarious.

<grabs lawn chairs and popcorn and watches.>

Oh dude I love lawn chairs

 

[TheDrummingKING]

I honestly don't know why you guys are trying right now, you're never going to get anywhere..

 

[DQuaN]

Famine write a book, it will be our undeniable truth, and you will be our god. 👍

He already has.

 

[DK]

Guys, of the 2,870 deities documented since humans started writing which one is your favourite?

Mine is Zeus, he f&*&n rocked. (Poseidon was a close second)

Also, you monotheists are 99.97% as atheist as me.
Cometh unto me bretherin.

Does His Noodly Appendage count?

 

[Encyclopedia]

I believe in All That Is. The feeble minds of humans cannot and should not attempt to comprehend the scope and/or magnitude of the power of the Creator(s). Humans are nothing but mere grains of sand on the beach of existence. Humans, unfortunately have been conditioned to think they are at the apex of all that is living yet they fail to even understand themselves let alone that which MAY have had a role in their crevolution.

And why shouldn't we try and comprehend the world around us? You realize that if we didn't try, we'd be in medieval times still, right? Perhaps not even that.

 

[niky]

Even funnier. It's certain religions that teach us that we are "at the apex of all that is living."

Science, on the other hand, tells us we are built up of the same stuff that makes up chimpanzees and rats.

Fancy that.

 

[Minty]

I dunno. Every time I look at something that tries to understand the universe it just makes me feel tiny. I've never seen an article on a star 1,500 times the size of our own and felt myself or anyone in the human race to be at the apex of a damn thing.

If we're just grains of sand on a beach why can't we still try to understand the beach itself or what lies beyond?

 

[CodeName]

Famine, as I said, The Quran has more than one miracle. They are all made to you to understand that the Quran wasn't a book from a human as the bible and the torah were also not from human ( but now corrupted unfortunately ) . You didn't agree with the first one, now I'll see where can you go.
The second one is about the expansion if the universe in cosmology. It was the first time discovered by Vesto Slipher in 1915 .
It was written in the Quran since 1400 years
Surah : 51;47
And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.

 

[Daniel]

So because there are miracles in the Qur'an, they're true? What if I write a book about myself and put miracles in like being thrown into a lion's pit and surviving the night unharmed?

 

[CodeName]

So because there are miracles in the Qur'an, they're true? What if I write a book about myself and put miracles in like being thrown into a lion's pit and surviving the night unharmed?

There are scientific miracles in the Quran and not these one you say. Do you think that the prophet muhammad ( peace be upon him ) convert every people around him by saying '' I am sent by GOD '' ? No, the Quran contains miracles and Muhammad himself was able to do miracles because Allah allowed him and gave him this opportunity.

 

[TheDrummingKING]

Do you think that the prophet muhammad ( peace be upon him ) convert every people around him by saying '' I am sent by GOD '' ? No, the Quran contains miracles and Muhammad himself was able to do miracles because Allah allowed him and gave him this opportunity.

Do you think jesus convinced every one by saying "I am the son of God"? No, he turned water into wine, walked on water, died and came back to life. Or something like that.

I don't believe that btw, just showing that what you said in no way proves you're right.

 

[homeforsummer]

There are scientific miracles in the Quran and not these one you say. Do you think that the prophet muhammad ( peace be upon him ) convert every people around him by saying '' I am sent by GOD '' ? No, the Quran contains miracles and Muhammad himself was able to do miracles because Allah allowed him and gave him this opportunity.

You're still missing the rather important point that just because something is written in a thousands-of-years-old book, it doesn't mean it actually happened.

That's why people have been bringing up similar subjects as comparison. There's little more reason to presume a prophet witnessed a miracle as documented in the Quran, as C. S. Lewis was writing about an actual wardrobe that let children go to Narnia. The only difference is, C. S. Lewis had no agenda to peddle so his work can be appreciated as fiction, rather than dressed up as reality.

It rather reminds me of the Red Dwarf sketch where a newsreader is describing a missing page from the bible:

Archaeologists near Mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read,

"To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental."

The page has been universally condemned by church leaders.

 

[Famine]

Famine, as I said, The Quran has more than one miracle. They are all made to you to understand that the Quran wasn't a book from a human as the bible and the torah were also not from human ( but now corrupted unfortunately ) . You didn't agree with the first one, now I'll see where can you go.

Show me where the Qu'ran specifically says the star Sirius is a binary system with an orbital separation of 31 AU and a period of 50.09 years +/- 20 days and I'll agree that this foreknowledge is uniquely odd.

However, show me that a verse in the Qu'ran mentions a star the Egyptians knew about 4,000 years earlier and that verse's number is close to 50 and you can read it in conjunction with another verse selectively interpreted to refer to Sirius despite neither explicitly nor implicitly talking about it to arrive at the wrong number, but one that was within the error margin until more recently and I'll agree that's wishful thinking and deliberate misinterpretation.

Incidentally, doesn't the Qu'ran specifically warn against interpretation of it? Does it not become corruption of the word of Allah if you pick and choose verses to splice together and read something that isn't written in either?

The second one is about the expansion if the universe in cosmology. It was the first time discovered by Vesto Slipher in 1915 .
It was written in the Quran since 1400 years
Surah : 51;47
And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.

Oh, well, I'm convinced. A verse translated into English includes the word "expand" unless you read earlier translations which have the word "enrich".

Of course the fact that this particular interpretation of this particular verse wasn't thought of until after Hubble's Law became well known (precisely apeing Nostradamian "prediction" of being interpreted to tell the future after the future has become the past) and is pretty much a word-for-word copy of the earlier book of Isaiah can be brushed under the carpet to suit.

Any comment from the Qu'ran on the rate of expansion? Curiously lacking on empirical data, this God dude.

 

[axletramp]

Even funnier. It's certain religions that teach us that we are "at the apex of all that is living."

Doesn't "apex of all that is living" imply evolution? I believe an 'apex' is the highest point or culmination of something. The highest point of living things is therefore (according to certain religions) humanity.

God help us all if the apex of all living things actually is us. I bit the inside of my mouth yesterday. Damn my perfection...

 

[CodeName]

Do you think jesus convinced every one by saying "I am the son of God"? No, he turned water into wine, walked on water, died and came back to life. Or something like that.

I don't believe that btw, just showing that what you said in no way proves you're right.

Jesus is not the son of GOD. I said many time that the Bible is now corrupted. At the time of Jesus ( peace be upon him ) , there were also many miracles in the bible and Jesus himself was able to do miracles because he was a prophet and GOD allow lots of thing to prove that the Bible and prophet are sent by GOD to allow people going to the paradise kf they follow them. Now , the only religion which is accepted by Allah is islam because it is the final book with the final prophet and also because the older religion as the judaism and the christianism are now corrupted.

Also, Famine, the Quran doesn't describe the compostion of the carbon. The Quran contain two verse which talks about sirius and you saw that it doesn't contain also the size of these stars. If Allah has wanted to he could of course, but the Quran is not a book about science but it is a warn to us, to every one. You should see that these miracles are made for people like you.
Also, as I said in the past, and you are right, all doubt that are in the Quran are comming by the bad translation of it because the translation is very complex to chose the right word for every word in arabic. There are zero doubt in the Quran in arabic, and in arabic, the word is also expand for the expansion.

 

[Sureboss]

Doesn't "apex of all that is living" imply evolution? I believe an 'apex' is the highest point or culmination of something. The highest point of living things is therefore (according to certain religions) humanity.

God help us all if the apex of all living things actually is us. I bit the inside of my mouth yesterday. Damn my perfection...

Dude, you don't have to eat yourself.

 

[axletramp]

My apexness caused me to miss out the word 'accidentally'.

Btw, it tastes like chicken.

 

[sik180sx]

I wonder how many of the people that believe in god,the bible and such,believe in unicorns?
There are plenty of stories about the wonderful things unicorns have done,no evidence they exist so no-one believes in them.
"What makes god so different"you ask?"Nothing at all" i say.

 

[Famine]

Also, Famine, the Quran doesn't describe the compostion of the carbon.

Pity. That'd help its credentials as a science textbook.

The Quran contain two verse which talks about sirius

It contains one verse that mentions Sirius. The additional verse chosen to support an inaccurate assessment doesn't mention Sirius in any way.

and you saw that it doesn't contain also the size of these stars.

Pity. That'd help its credentials as a science textbook.

If Allah has wanted to he could of course, but the Quran is not a book about science but it is a warn to us, to every one. You should see that these miracles are made for people like you.

If they were made for people like me, that suggests Allah would want to convince us. Since he'd know that we'd take empirical data as a clear sign, he should have wanted to include some. Any. Anywhere. Oddly, he apparently chose to dictate to Mohammed a work that contained no empirical data at all.

Also, as I said in the past, and you are right, all doubt that are in the Quran are comming by the bad translation of it because the translation is very complex to chose the right word for every word in arabic. There are zero doubt in the Quran in arabic, and in arabic, the word is also expand for the expansion.

Whereas older scholars say the word is "enrich". The same word, incidentally, also appears in 53:48 - translated as "enrich".

Still heading at that "trying to prove belief" goal, eh?

 

[CodeName]

Pity. That'd help its credentials as a science textbook.It contains one verse that mentions Sirius. The additional verse chosen to support an inaccurate assessment doesn't mention Sirius in any way.Pity. That'd help its credentials as a science textbook.If they were made for people like me, that suggests Allah would want to convince us. Since he'd know that we'd take empirical data as a clear sign, he should have wanted to include some. Any. Anywhere. Oddly, he apparently chose to dictate to Mohammed a work that contained no empirical data at all.Whereas older scholars say the word is "enrich". The same word, incidentally, also appears in 53:48 - translated as "enrich".

Still heading at that "trying to prove belief" goal, eh?

Yes because you don't see when miracle is in front of you, i am seeing where your ignoring can go. I post some miracles together, interprate it as you want, but don't say the judgement day that you wasn't aware of hell and paradise and the message from GOD. Now, i post some verse of the same surah which are only following:

21:30


Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

21:31


And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided

21:32


And We made the sky a protected ceiling, but they, from its signs, are turning away.

21:33


And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.

21:34

And We did not grant to any man before you eternity [on earth]; so if you die - would they be eternal?

21:35

Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned.

 

[Famine]

*scours*

Nope. Still not seeing that empirical data Allah would want me to see in order for it to convince me it exists.

You can do yourself a couple of favours at this point. First - which you won't do - stop trying to prove your beliefs. Beliefs are unproveable - the fact you seek to do so speaks more strongly about the fragility of your belief than the ignorance of others. Secondly, don't bother posting "evidence" of "miracles" that are simply retconned reinterpretation of miscellaneous verse - just post empirical data that the Qu'ran got right hundreds of years before the rest of humanity caught up.

No hearsay and conjecture. Just the facts, ma'am.

 

[TheDrummingKING]

21:30

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

So basically, the earth is in space, and life on earth proves God. I don't think so.

21:31

And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided

Really? No, streams of water eroded the mountains and made the "roads".

21:32

And We made the sky a protected ceiling, but they, from its signs, are turning away.

There is an atmosphere therefor there is a God? Nup.

21:33

And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.

God made the universe therefor God exists? Well then (I'm not sure I understood this one though).

21:34

And We did not grant to any man before you eternity [on earth]; so if you die - would they be eternal?

I don't even understand what this is saying? Death is eternal and that proves God's existence?

21:35

Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned.

Death proves God's existence? Or is this one the assertion of Heaven's existence proves God's existence.



I'm really not getting these so called miracles..