Do you believe in God?

[Scaff]

I have been repying to multiple topics from faith, to the Force of the Jedi and Kung Fu Chi, to still talking about Hebrew slaves.

So as far as Semper Fi in the United States Marine Corp, they translated it as Always faithful. I'm a United States Citizen so that's what it means in the context of the country I was born in and now serve in.

As far as the definition of faith.....

Faith - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith

strong belief or trust in someone or something. : belief in the existence of God : strong religious feelings or beliefs. : a system of religious beliefs. plural faiths

Mr. Denur, the Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines faith as "trust in someone or something"
And if you continue to look a the Merriam-Webster dictionary you will see the the "full definition of faith"
Below is the text as it is read.....

a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty

b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion

b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction;especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestantfaith>

You can look up all the stuff I post if you wish and you can read about the story of the story of David and Goliath in the Bible. I'm doing this for fun as this is an informal discussion I'm not going to cite every post I write.


Adultery is not an accomplishment.

You quote the dictionary definition of faith, including with it the fact that it clearly outlines that it requires no proof and then attempt to apply it to things that can be objectively measured.

You claim that people are employed on faith, ignoring the range of objective and subjective information that can be gathered to use to measure a prospective employe against. Which makes it far from a faith based exercise. Only an idiot would employ someone based on faith.

 

[dxld]

Very good and in this case it means Always Loyal (definition 1a in that dictionary). As you can also see in that dictionary, there is no definition for faith that has to do with a person's abilities.

It says "strong belief or trust in SOMEONE" if you have trust in SOMEONE it comes that will have trust in their ABILITIES.

 

[Denur]

It says "strong belief or trust in SOMEONE" if you have trust in SOMEONE it comes that will have trust in their ABILITIES.

No, look at the full definition: 1b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions

 

[dxld]

You quote the dictionary definition of faith, including with it the fact that it clearly outlines that it requires no proof and then attempt to apply it to things that can be objectively measured.

You claim that people are employed on faith, ignoring the range of objective and subjective information that can be gathered to use to measure a prospective employe against. Which makes it far from a faith based exercise. Only an idiot would employ someone based on faith.

In that dictionary there are a total of 6 definitions, 3 definitions followed by 3 full definitions. The first 3 are not numbered but on separate lines which are...

: strong belief or trust in someone or something

: belief in the existence of God : strong religious feelings or beliefs

: a system of religious beliefs

Then 3 numbered full definitions follow as

1
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty

b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion

b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction;especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestantfaith>


The very first definition is what I am using " strong belief or trust in someone or something"

If you want more definitions go to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith and look at this...

faith

noun
1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesiswould be substantiated by fact.
3.
belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firmfaith of the Pilgrims.
4.
belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5.
a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

In the above definition number 1 is what I am using in regards to hiring on faith.

 

[Famine]

Gosh, it's like you're cherry picking dictionary definitions to the exclusion of others. Never seen that before.

Incidentally, "Semper fidelis" is most accurately translated as "forever trustworthy".

 

[dxld]

Gosh, it's like you're cherry picking dictionary definitions to the exclusion of others. Never seen that before.

Incidentally, "Semper fidelis" is most accurately translated as "forever trustworthy".

• Fidelis - The Latin Dictionary
  latindictionary.wikidot.com/adjective:fidelis
  
  Fidelis

• Translation. Faithful, loyal.

Another set of of definitions from Miriam-Webster

fi·del·i·ty
noun \fə-ˈde-lə-tē, fī-\
: the quality of being faithful to your husband, wife, or sexual partner

: the quality of being faithful or loyal to a country, organization, etc.

: the degree to which something matches or copies something else

 

[Famine]

Gosh, it's like you're cherry picking dictionaries to the exclusion of others. Never seen that before.

Incidentally, I have an actual qualification in Latin. I'd only translate it to "faithful" if there was an object (for example Semper fidelis deo - always faithful to god). Since there's no object for the faithfulness, faithful doesn't make sense - what are the Marines supposed to have faith in, exactly? Instead, "forever trustworthy" - with the Marines as the subject - suggests they are people in whom you should trust.

 

[Denur]

If you want more definitions go to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith and look at this...

faith

noun
1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.

And when they go into detail: "strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence", "5. complete confidence or trust in a person, remedy, etc ".

Oh, and shouting does not make your claims any more convincing.

 

[Scaff]

In the above definition number 1 is what I am using in regards to hiring on faith.

And I'm saying that you would have to be an idiot to hire on that alone.

Oh and as your using that one you are freely acknowledging that its a different definition of faith to the religious one, which scuppers your own argument. Well done.

Oh and stop shouting, it doesn't make your point stronger, quite the opposite.

 

[dxld]

And when they go into detail: "strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence", "5. complete confidence or trust in a person, remedy, etc ".

Oh, and shouting does not make your claims any more convincing.

I was merely copying text from another website using an Apple iPad, so excuse me for the large text.

"Many words with multiple meanings exist in the English language. Technically, almost every word has a multiple meaning. How often do you go into the dictionary to look up a word, and find that only one meaning is listed next to it? Practically never! Many words have slightly varying meanings, or they can be used as different parts of speech"

http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/for-students-and-parents/words-with-multiple-meanings.html

This word definition game you are playing is getting old.....

 

[Famine]

This word definition game you are playing is getting old.....

You mean that game you're playing where you quote a favoured dictionary and select a single definition, then exclude all the others from ever being correct in order to maintain the belief that you're right and everyone else is wrong?

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[Denur]

This word definition game you are playing is getting old.....

It is not a game when you start mixing definitions of the same word in one paragraph.

This is what you said earlier:

Children to have faith in their parents to lead them, a marine has to have faith in his companions to fight in a battle, an employer has to have faith in his employees. Faith is not science, and it will never be scientific, to believe in God is not a scientific process, so no you can't prove the existence of God, you have to feel the existence of God.

 

[Touring Mars]

"plain English" V

I found your plain English 'translations' a lot easier to understand than the Bible quotes you posted, although they appear to be completely different quotes, and I am still struggling to see how they are relevant to the Douglas Adams quote I posted. The point of that quote was to say that it is possible to appreciate the wonders of nature without also having to believe unsupportable claims about it as well. A broader interpretation might be that it is possible to find meaning in one's own life without needing to resort to making stuff up or appealing to the supernatural, since the natural world is awe-inspiring and meaningful in its own right.

 

[dxld]

You mean that game you're playing where you quote a favoured dictionary and select a single definition, then exclude all the others from ever being correct in order to maintain the belief that you're right and everyone else is wrong?

Yes. Yes it is.

I quoted two online dictionaries, and I w and I will add that words will have multiple meanings. Faith has many meanings and love has many meanings.

1love
noun \ˈləv\
: a feeling of strong or constant affection for a person

: attraction that includes sexual desire : the strong affection felt by people who have a romantic relationship

: a person you love in a romantic way

Full Definition of LOVE
1
a (1) : strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties <maternal love for a child> (2) : attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt bylovers (3) : affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests <love for his old schoolmates>

b : an assurance of affection <give her my love>
2
: warm attachment, enthusiasm, or devotion <love of the sea>
3
a : the object of attachment, devotion, or admiration<baseball was his first love>

b (1) : a beloved person : darling —often used as a term of endearment (2) British —used as an informal term of address
4
a : unselfish loyal and benevolent concern for the good of another: as (1) : the fatherly concern of God for humankind(2) : brotherly concern for others

b : a person's adoration of God
5
: a god or personification of love
6
: an amorous episode : love affair
7
: the sexual embrace : copulation
8
: a score of zero (as in tennis)
9
capitalized Christian Science : god
— at love
: holding one's opponent scoreless in tennis
— in love
: inspired by affection
See love defined for English-language learners »
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Examples of LOVE

1. Children need unconditional love from their parents.
2. He was just a lonely man looking for love.
3. Mr. Brown seems to imply that when he retired he relinquished her love as casually as he dispensed with her secretarial services. —Ken Follett, New York Times Book Review, 27 Dec. 1987
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Origin of LOVE
Middle English, from Old English lufu; akin to Old High German luba love, Old English lēof dear, Latin lubēre, libēreto please
First Known Use: before 12th century
Related to LOVE
Synonyms
affection, attachment, devotedness, devotion, fondness,passion
Antonyms
abomination, hate, hatred, loathing, rancor
Related Words
appetite, fancy, favor, like, liking, partiality, preference,relish, taste; craving, crush, desire, infatuation, longing,lust, yearning; ardor, eagerness, enthusiasm, fervor, zeal;appreciation, esteem, estimation, regard, respect;adoration, adulation, deification, idolatry, idolization,worship; allegiance, faithfulness, fealty, fidelity, loyalty,steadfastness
Near Antonyms
allergy, animosity, antagonism, antipathy, aversion,disfavor, dislike, enmity, hostility; abhorrence, disgust,repugnance, repulsion, revulsion; misanthropy
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Other Forms of Address Terms
appellation, beatitude, brethren, emeritus, esquire, sire, sous
Rhymes with LOVE
dove, glove, of, shove
2love
verb \ˈləv\
: to feel great affection for (someone) : to feel love for (someone)

: to feel sexual or romantic love for (someone)

: to like or desire (something) very much : to take great pleasure in (something)

lovedlov·ing
Full Definition of LOVE
transitive verb
1
: to hold dear : cherish
2
a : to feel a lover's passion, devotion, or tenderness for

b (1) : caress (2) : to fondle amorously (3) : to copulate with
3
: to like or desire actively : take pleasure in <loved to play the violin>
4
: to thrive in <the rose loves sunlight>
intransitive verb
: to feel affection or experience desire
See love defined for English-language learners »
Examples of LOVE

1. She obviously loves her family very much.
2. You have to love in order to be loved.
3. He swore that he loved her madly.
4. She said she could never marry a man she didn't love.
5. People loved him for his brashness and talent, his crazy manglings of the English language, his brawling, boyish antics … and I loved him, too, I loved him as much as anyone in the world. —Paul Auster, Granta, Winter 1994
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Origin of LOVE
(see 1love)
First Known Use: before 12th century
Related to LOVE
Synonyms
appreciate, cherish, prize, treasure, value, set store by (orset store on), carry a torch for (or carry the torch for), fall for, lose one's heart (to)
Antonyms
disvalue
Related Words
delight (in), dig, enjoy, fancy, groove (on), like, relish,revel (in); admire, apprize, esteem, regard, respect,revere, reverence, venerate; enshrine, memorialize; adore,caress, dote (on), idolize, worship
Near Antonyms
undervalue; abhor, abominate, despise, detest, execrate,hate, loathe; disdain, high-hat, scorn, scout, slight, sniff (at), snub; bad-mouth, belittle, cry down, decry,deprecate, depreciate, disparage, kiss off, minimize, put down, write off; abandon, forget, neglect
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[Duke]

If God is inside you, as many religious people say, and you don't believe in God, you don't believe in yourself.

And if God is not inside me? Many non-religious people say that, too.

 

[Famine]

*a literally context-less wall of irrelevance*

Do you have anything to add that isn't a copy & paste wall of text of someone else's words?

 

[Imari]

Faith has many meanings and love has many meanings.

Congratulations. The rest of us knew this already.

What you're doing however, is using one of the meanings of faith to prove something about another of the meanings of the word faith.

It doesn't work that way. Using a non-religious usage of the word faith to prove things about the religious usage is about as pointless as using another word altogether. What can we learn about the word "faith" in the context of "faith in God" from the usage of the word "loyalty"? Bugger all. So why would you learn anything about "faith" ("faith in God") from the usage of "faith" ("faith in my dog to pee in every corner")? They're not even remotely similar.

 

[Touring Mars]

I quoted two online dictionaries, and I w and I will add that words will have multiple meanings. Faith has many meanings and love has many meanings.

Of course they do - but all the more reason to be clear and specific about what you actually mean when you choose to use words that have multiple connotations or are ambiguous.

Also, this is all a tad rich coming from someone who has previously gone out of his way to tell us that the word hate means something different in the Bible than it does in any dictionary i.e. to love less.

And you think others are playing word games!!

 

[dxld]

It is not a game when you start mixing definitions of the same word in one paragraph.

This is what you said earlier:

I said

Children to have faith in their parents to lead them, a marine has to have faith in his companions to fight in a battle, an employer has to have faith in his employees. Faith is not science, and it will never be scientific, to believe in God is not a scientific process, so no you can't prove the existence of God, you have to feel the existence of God.

All of this is consistent with the myriad of various definitions of the meaning of faith. I'm describing faith on how my mind has come to understand it, not how exactly Miriam Webster, or Cambridge or Oxford, or Wikipedia view faith.

Faith has no singular definition as Love has no singular definition or the thousands upon thousands of other words in the English Language have no singular definition.

 

[Denur]

I'm describing faith on how my mind has come to understand it, not how exactly Miriam Webster, or Cambridge or Oxford, or Wikipedia view faith.

That's fine and usually not a problem. But once you try to get a message accross, it helps to use the same word definitions as the people you are trying to reach. And when there is a conflict in definition, a good way to proceed is to find common ground, which usually is a dictionary (in this case).

 

[dxld]

Congratulations. The rest of us knew this already.

What you're doing however, is using one of the meanings of faith to prove something about another of the meanings of the word faith.

It doesn't work that way. Using a non-religious usage of the word faith to prove things about the religious usage is about as pointless as using another word altogether. What can we learn about the word "faith" in the context of "faith in God" from the usage of the word "loyalty"? Bugger all. So why would you learn anything about "faith" ("faith in God") from the usage of "faith" ("faith in my dog to pee in every corner")? They're not even remotely similar.

There are at least 5 different English Dictionaries with 5 different definitions of the the word faith, so none of them have an exact definition across the board, which justifies my feelings of what the word faith means, in context of both religion and in people I would say my most basic definition of faith is of trust and loyalty.

If you were to define faith in your own words what would you say it is? All of you would have slightly varying definitions each according to how you were raised and where you were raised and the people who are closest to you.
This is the beauty of the English Language, English is a rich language. English is not entirely robotic and technical, to master the English language is more than grammar and syntax and vocabulary.

 

[Exorcet]

All of this is consistent with the myriad of various definitions of the meaning of faith. I'm describing faith on how my mind has come to understand it, not how exactly Miriam Webster, or Cambridge or Oxford, or Wikipedia view faith.

Words aren't there for the sake of words, they're a method of communication. It would make more sense if what you said was consistent with the idea you're trying to get across rather than a mess of definitions.

As far as what you said, besides the [very young] child to parents part, none of it is true. The "faith" in that case is unlike the faith often used in religious context with God. It's faith based in evidence, which isn't faith at all.

Faith as in believing for no reason is not scientific, but it's not outside the realm of science to understand why people are attracted to something so silly. Also, if you can't prove the existence of God you can't feel God either.

If you were to define faith in your own words what would you say it is? All of you would have slightly varying definitions each according to how you were raised and where you were raised and the people who are closest to you.
This is the beauty of the English Language, English is a rich language. English is not entirely robotic and technical, to master the English language is more than grammar and syntax and vocabulary.

The general consensus in this thread and in its context is belief without evidence.

 

[kikie]

And if God is not inside me? Many non-religious people say that, too.

I have no idea.

I don't really believe in the biblical (Church) God. I do believe in something though but can I call it God or is it something else, I have no idea.

 

[dxld]

Words aren't there for the sake of words, they're a method of communication. It would make more sense if what you said was consistent with the idea you're trying to get across rather than a mess of definitions.

As far as what you said, besides the [very young] child to parents part, none of it is true. The "faith" in that case is unlike the faith often used in religious context with God. It's faith based in evidence, which isn't faith at all.

Faith as in believing for no reason is not scientific, but it's not outside the realm of science to understand why people are attracted to something so silly. Also, if you can't prove the existence of God you can't feel God either.


The general consensus in this thread and in its context is belief without evidence.

Christian Faith is in part based on biblical knowledge, as I said before scientifically I can't prove God, but it's possible to feel his presence, I feel it right now, every breath I take I feel gods presence.

And it take more than concensus on a thread on a Racing Video Game website to define the word faith.

 

[Famine]

knowledge

Scire = to know; scientis = knowledge

but it's possible to feel his presence, I feel it right now, every breath I take I feel gods presence

What receptor cells are being triggered in order for your brain to perceive this feeling?

 

[dxld]

Scire = to know; scientis = knowledgeWhat receptor cells are being triggered in order for your brain to perceive this feeling?

It's something I learned, YHVH in Hebrew is said to be the sound of breath. Understand?

 

[Touring Mars]

And it take more than concensus on a thread on a Racing Video Game website to define the word faith.

The choice of location is irrelevant - you're talking to real people, not a computer game.

I don't mean to sound facetious, but would you know what it feels like if God did not exist?

I do believe in something though but can I call it God or is it something else, I have no idea.

As Woody Allen once said, "I believe there is someone watching over us. Unfortunately it's the government."

 

[Famine]

It's something I learned, YHVH in Hebrew is said to be the sound of breath. Understand?

Smashing.

The human body has myriad different ways of detecting and responding to conditions outside and inside the body via specialised neurons. Along with the classical five senses of touch (somatoception), taste (gustatoception), sound (audioception), sight (optiception) and smell (olfactoception) we have receptors for pain (nociception), balance (equilibrioception), heat (thermoception), pressure (mechanoception), "self" (proprioception) and even for specific chemicals (chemoception). All that we can feel, inside and out, is relayed from these specialised receptors to an area of the brain that deals with it.

Since you can "feel" a deity, there ought to be a specialised receptor that is being activated. Which is it? Can we see it firing under a PET scan?

 

[Denur]

It's something I learned, YHVH in Hebrew is said to be the sound of breath. Understand?

Are you sure it's not the sound of passing wind? After having gulped down a few bowls of onion soup, I have heard plenty of people in my vicinity exclaim: "Oh my god!"

 

[Touring Mars]

The human body has myriad different ways of detecting and responding to conditions outside and inside the body via specialised neurons. Along with the classical five senses of touch (somatoception), taste (gustatoception), sound (audioception), sight (optiception) and smell (olfactoception) we have receptors for pain (nociception), balance (equilibrioception), heat (thermoception), pressure (mechanoception), "self" (proprioception) and even for specific chemicals (chemoception). All that we can feel, inside and out, is relayed from these specialised receptors to an area of the brain that deals with it.

Since you can "feel" a deity, there ought to be a specialised receptor that is being activated. Which is it? Can we see it firing under a PET scan?

Yes, but apart from somatoception, gustatoception, audioception, optiception, olfactoception, nociception, equilibrioception, thermoception, mechanoception, proprioception and chemoception... what has the human brain ever done for us?