Do you believe in God?

[G.T.Ace]

Wikipedia can be changed by anyone, so false stuff can be put out there by others.

I stick to the Bible, true, non-revisionist history, and the dictionary.

How old are you, 12?

But they call Him Allah instead of what He should be called as: God.

In fact, Allah may be fictional! But you're entitled to your own opinions.

"God" is English, "Allah" Arabic, they both mean the same if I'm not mistaken, so what's your point?

 

[Red_Bull_Pro]

How old are you, 12?


"God" is English, "Allah" Arabic, they both mean the same if I'm not mistaken, so what's your point?

No, I'm actually almost 14.

My point is that even though they worship one god and Allah is God in Arabic, I don't think they mention Jesus as the Savior. That is the one key evidence that they might be worshiping a false god.

 

[dylansan]

But they call Him Allah instead of what He should be called as: God.

In fact, Allah may be fictional! But you're entitled to your own opinions.

Allah is the Arabic word for God...

 

[Jet Badger]

Wikipedia can be changed by anyone, so false stuff can be put out there by others.

I stick to the Bible, true, non-revisionist history, and the dictionary.

And the Bible you read most certainly was not written and changed by dozens of different people, then translated and re-translated several times more over a period of two thousand years until it got onto your nightstand?

 

[G.T.Ace]

No, I'm actually almost 14.

Now that makes a world difference.
Dude, grow up and learn about all the religions out there and then start to make up your own mind instead of holding onto the indoctrination of your family. You can still be a Christian if you want to, but at least stop holding onto factually wrong things.

 

[Red_Bull_Pro]

And the Bible you read most certainly was not written and changed by dozens of different people, then translated and re-translated several times more over a period of two thousand years until it got onto your nightstand?

Actually that was before the Bible was labeled "fictional".

 

[photonrider]

Personally I do believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Without God, we wouldn't exist.

People are entitled to their own opinions, but this is just my own opinion

Yes, people are entitled to their own opinions. In fact if you create your own website your opinion will be law.
But that is all it will be; an opinion.
You do not have to defend it.
An opinion is not fact.
If an opinion can be 'proved' then it's not an opinion it's a fact.
When you push your opinion (or are manipulated into pushing it) as fact is when you become a lamb to slaughter.

Most opinions come about for a reason. Did yours?

Yes, most. Hopefully. I agree; not all.

Looks like someone found a successor.

How does this impart anything to the subject being discussed?

 

[G.T.Ace]

Actually that was before the Bible was labeled "fictional".

The Bible was always labeled fictional, by those who didn't believe in it.
There were hundreds if not thousands of different beliefs way before the Bible turned up the first time, some of them were extremely popular, like Judaism.

I would recommend you to watch the video I posted here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/do-you-believe-in-god.111312/page-608#post-10829493

EDIT:

How does this impart anything to the subject being discussed?

It was a reference to SCJ's ban, because his wording is almost the same.

Almost a seamless transition.

 

[Imari]

But they also worship false gods, which is pagan.

They do not. They have one God.

Like I said, read more. You've clearly been told a lot of things about Islam that are not true. That's not your fault, you're just unlucky not to have run across someone to tell you otherwise. But now that you know, you could make the effort to educate yourself a little before going further with this.

Take half an hour and read a little. If you don't trust Wikipedia then google yourself your own sources. I'm telling you that the wiki page is a decent starting point, pages on major topics like religion are not allowed to be vandalised, but if you want your own sources there are plenty.

If you need absolute accuracy, just start reading the Koran. It's a good book and a decent read. Reading it is not going to convert you. If anything it will probably make your faith stronger when you realise how there are even more people than you thought worshiping the same God, albeit in slightly different ways.

But they call Him Allah instead of what He should be called as: God.

They don't speak English either mostly, and the roots of the religion certainly aren't English, just as Christianity's roots aren't either.

Is that the extent of your argument, that they don't use the same word as you?

You may want to read up on why the translators of say, the King James version of the Bible, chose to translate certain words as God or Lord. It'll give you a better sense of where those words come from, and that different words in different languages can all refer to the same thing.

 

[Famine]

When the Good Night Show on PBS Kids Sprout did yoga on there, that was the last time I watched the Goog Night Show. It of course was part of Muslim, and Muslim is a pagan religion.

Great Scott... I don't even know where to start with what's wrong with those two sentences...

It's "Islam", not "Muslim".
Islam isn't a pagan religion - pagan religions are usually polytheistic or worship nature, while Islam is monotheistic and worships the same all-powerful deity of Abraham that Christians and Jews do.
Yoga is not part of Islam.

That's a demonstration of what they did not want me to watch, because they were afraid, as Christian parents, that I would get into that.

Which means they've stopped you from finding out something yourself.

If you learned that "Muslim" is a pagan religion and yoga is part of it from them, then they have both prevented you from finding out something yourself and mislead you. I actually have no idea who else you'd learn it from as it's fundamentally incorrect.

They even spanked me when I was growing up, and it was not abuse.

Uh-huh.

When I mean pagan I mean a religion that worships false gods. Christianity is the only religion that doesn't do that, as it worships the only one and true God.

Are you sure about that? If so, why?

Wikipedia can be changed by anyone, so false stuff can be put out there by others.

And corrected by hundreds of others. This is a process known as peer-review - and will make Wikipedia a better source for learning about Islam than whichever utter clown told you it was called "Muslim" and included yoga.

I stick to the Bible

Your Bible is a translation of a translation of a committee-created anthology of a translation of a translation of a number of works of incredibly dubious origin.

true, non-revisionist history

True according to whom? What qualifies as "non-revisionist"?

and the dictionary.

Have a crack at looking up the word "pagan" in it then.


This does all rather sound like yet another sheltered upbringing and indoctrination from deeply religious parents...

 

[Red_Bull_Pro]

Yes, people are entitled to their own opinions. In fact if you create your own website your opinion will be law.
But that is all it will be; an opinion.
You do not have to defend it.
An opinion is not fact.
If an opinion can be 'proved' then it's not an opinion it's a fact.
When you push your opinion (or are manipulated into pushing it) as fact is when you become a lamb to slaughter.

Well, you do make a good point. I'm also throwing in some facts that are possibly true, but also started as opinions.

 

[TenEightyOne]

But they call Him Allah instead of what He should be called as: God.

In fact, Allah may be fictional! But you're entitled to your own opinions.

Oh dear, here comes another one. Whatever makes you think Yahweh intended to be known by a name from language that the people of the Bible had never heard of? In English Yahweh (Ymwh) is "God", in Arabic it's "Allah".

The efforts of blinkered Western Christians are always entertaining but at least make some effort to understand your texts first.

 

[photonrider]

Facts can't be possibly true, Red_Bull_Pro.
Facts are facts.

Please forgive me for not even bothering to click on the link.

Next you'll be explaining quantum theory to me.

I am highly tolerant; I respect your right to believe in what drives you. You don't have to defend it. Your convictions do not threaten me.

Edit: Whoops . . . sideswiped. @Red_Bull_Pro.

Well, see you later - got to meet a man about several things.

 

[Eh Team]

Well, you do make a good point. I'm also throwing in some facts that are possibly true, but also started as opinions.

If it is not true, then it is not fact. If it hasn't been proven to be true, it is a theory or hypothesis, if proven false, it is just wrong.

 

[Red_Bull_Pro]

It's "Islam", not "Muslim".
Islam isn't a pagan religion - pagan religions are usually polytheistic or worship nature, while Islam is monotheistic and worships the same all-powerful deity of Abraham that Christians and Jews do.

Well you are making corrections here, in fact I think I need some more food before I can continue, since I am hungry.

But I will put out this one fact/opinion or whatever you want to call it: It has been put out in this world that Aristotle worshiped one god, but it might not have been the one true God that all Christians know and love.

Islam/Muslim/all Arabic religions do worship one god, in fact it could possibly be the one true God. But the flaw in this is that they don't mention Jesus at all, which separates it from worshiping the true God vs. a false god.

Please forgive me for not even bothering to click on the link.

Next you'll be explaining quantum theory to me.

Heh, idk if I will be able to!

Don't worry, you are forgiven! 👍

Edit: Whoops . . . sideswiped. @Red_Bull_Pro.

Well, see you later - got to meet a man about several things.

Ha, very funny there!

Well, you go do that! No one will stop you from doing something that can be very important!

 

[FoRiZon]

Please read more about other religion before actually codemning other religion.

You can be religious if you want. But in the end, people with other religion exists and youll end up meeting one anyways which in turn you have to accept it unless youre on a very sheltered Christian suburb.

And hey, GTP consists on different religion (including those who doesnt) too.

 

[Famine]

But I will put out this one fact/opinion or whatever you want to call it

You said you only read the Bible, true non-revisionist history (still looking for an answer to that one) and the dictionary, so please look up "fact" and "opinion" in the dictionary and stop using them interchangeably.

It has been put out in this world that Aristotle worshiped one god, but it might not have been the one true God that all Christians know and love.

Put out by whom? When? Why?

Islam/Muslim/all Arabic religions do worship one god

What?

Again, the religion is called "Islam". The followers are called "Muslims". As for "all Arabic religions", what does that even mean?

in fact it could possibly be the one true God. But the flaw in this is that they don't mention Jesus at all, which separates it from worshiping the true God vs. a false god.

Actually they do mention Jesus.

But once again I ask why you're sure you're worshipping the one "true God" when your reference source is a a translation of a translation of a committee-created anthology of a translation of a translation of a number of works of incredibly dubious origin and you're convinced that the deity has the English name of "God" rather than the names given to him in the original works, like Yahweh or Elohim...

And stop double-posting.

 

[BobK]

Islam/Muslim/all Arabic religions do worship one god, in fact it could possibly be the one true God. But the flaw in this is that they don't mention Jesus at all, which separates it from worshiping the true God vs. a false god.

You really, really, really need to expand your reading; the part I bolded is just plain wrong.

 

[Red_Bull_Pro]

But once again I ask why you're sure you're worshipping the one "true God" when your reference source is a a translation of a translation of a committee-created anthology of a translation of a translation of a number of works of incredibly dubious origin and you're convinced that the deity has the English name of "God" rather than the names given to him in the original works, like Yahweh or Elohim...

Well, growing up around Christian parents is one thing. Another thing is that my Bible is actually an old one, and I'm pretty sure that one was before the Bible was labeled "fictional" recently.

I think I'm getting some of this stuff passed down from my bipolar grandfather.

I'll be back later, need to play on my PS3 and play with my G27.

 

[DK]

No, I'm actually almost 14.

My point is that even though they worship one god and Allah is God in Arabic, I don't think they mention Jesus as the Savior. That is the one key evidence that they might be worshiping a false god.

So, by that reasoning, so are the Jews.

 

[FoRiZon]

You really, really, really need to expand your reading; the part I bolded is just plain wrong.

Agreed.

In Islam, Jesus is called Isa Almasih, which is one of the prophet right before Muhammad.

 

[G.T.Ace]

And another marterpiece by TheraminTrees

Loosing faith

Amazing video you should also watch @Red_Bull_Pro.

 

[Famine]

Well, growing up around Christian parents is one thing. Another thing is that my Bible is actually an old one, and I'm pretty sure that one was before the Bible was labeled "fictional" recently.

You know that your sect of Christianity is the only true one because your parents are religious and you have a really old Bible? Really?


In any case, it doesn't really matter how old it is, especially if it's in English.

All Bibles derive from a 4th Century conference to decide which books should be in the Bible and in which order. That book was written Latin, translated by one man - St. Jerome - from original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic texts. Almost all English Bibles are translations from that work dating from no later than the 16th Century - with the exceptions including the Wycliff Bible from the 14th Century.


So the "true" name "God" you apply to the central deity of your religion is a very recent invention. Prior to that it was Dominus, Jehovah, Yahweh, Elah, Allah, Elohim, Ehyeh, Adonai and many, many others.

 

[Imari]

Islam/Muslim/all Arabic religions do worship one god, in fact it could possibly be the one true God. But the flaw in this is that they don't mention Jesus at all, which separates it from worshiping the true God vs. a false god.

Please, for the love of all that's holy, take some well meant advice and spend a little time educating yourself. It will be time well spent.

If you keep posting like you have been you've got a forum full of people who are simply going to rip the obvious falsehoods in your posts apart. Do yourself a favour, do some reading, and think about what you want to say.

Then do some more reading, and think about whether it's really true or whether it's just something you've accepted all your life without really thinking about it. Then post.

There's a lot of people in here with a lot more experience and knowledge than you. You're not expected to have that from the get go, but now that it's been pointed out that there are serious gaps in your knowledge of Islam you are expected to attempt to do something about them before you continue.

Otherwise you're just going to be the target for snarky, sarcastic jibes. Which is unlikely to be fun, and is either going to result in you putting a lot of people on ignore, you leaving the forum entirely, or you exploding in rage and getting banned. None of which are exactly desirable outcomes.

Islam
Christianity and Islam
Jesus in Islam
Abrahamic religions

That's going to be heavy going if you're really only 14, but you've gotta start somewhere. I suggest the Christianity and Islam articles, or Jesus in Islam. It'll probably be more interesting if it's related to something you know already, and then you can work from there.

 

[Red_Bull_Pro]

You know that your sect of Christianity is the only true one because your parents are religious and you have a really old Bible? Really?


In any case, it doesn't really matter how old it is, especially if it's in English.

All Bibles derive from a 4th Century conference to decide which books should be in the Bible and in which order. That book was written Latin, translated by one man - St. Jerome - from original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic texts. Almost all English Bibles are translations from that work dating from no later than the 16th Century - with the exceptions including the Wycliff Bible from the 14th Century.


So the "true" name "God" you apply to the central deity of your religion is a very recent invention. Prior to that it was Dominus, Jehovah, Yahweh, Elah, Allah, Elohim, Ehyeh, Adonai and many, many others.

Interesting points here.

 

[Red_Bull_Pro]

Please, for the love of all that's holy, take some well meant advice and spend a little time educating yourself. It will be time well spent.

If you keep posting like you have been you've got a forum full of people who are simply going to rip the obvious falsehoods in your posts apart. Do yourself a favour, do some reading, and think about what you want to say.

Then do some more reading, and think about whether it's really true or whether it's just something you've accepted all your life without really thinking about it. Then post.

There's a lot of people in here with a lot more experience and knowledge than you. You're not expected to have that from the get go, but now that it's been pointed out that there are serious gaps in your knowledge of Islam you are expected to attempt to do something about them before you continue.

Otherwise you're just going to be the target for snarky, sarcastic jibes. Which is unlikely to be fun, and is either going to result in you putting a lot of people on ignore, you leaving the forum entirely, or you exploding in rage and getting banned. None of which are exactly desirable outcomes.

Islam
Christianity and Islam
Jesus in Islam
Abrahamic religions

That's going to be heavy going if you're really only 14, but you've gotta start somewhere. I suggest the Christianity and Islam articles, or Jesus in Islam. It'll probably be more interesting if it's related to something you know already, and then you can work from there.

I'll consider reading about those when I get free time.

EDIT: Wait, did I accidentally double-post again?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Interesting points here.

So answer my question, if you could please?

Whatever makes you think Yahweh intended to be known by a name from language that the people of the Bible had never heard of? In English Yahweh (Ymwh) is "God", in Arabic it's "Allah".

On a lighter aside, I spotted this in Viz...

 

[G.T.Ace]

I'll consider reading about those when I get free time.

EDIT: Wait, did I accidentally double-post again?

Don't forget that no one here wants to take your faith away! You're free to believe in whatever you want, but please, make up your own mind, by learning it yourself. You're still young enough to do so and it could really help you to avoid trouble in the future.

 

[Eh Team]

I feel a good debate could be had here so I'm going to throw myself in with a bit of background info to kick it all off.

I grew up in a family that was casual and serious about being religious at the same time. We didn't have to pray or do really anything religious outside of going to church, but boy was it difficult to have a reason for my parents to say you could stay home. Myself and my two brothers were put through the Catholic School board instead of the public one. The teachers were great there, subjects were completely separated from others including religion. No subjects were really forced on us and none of the teachers were utterly nutty about religion to make you say prayers for anything and everything that happened that was good.

I believe that this upbringing allowed me to actually question things properly and not look at things from an extremely skewed view. Now, there is one thing I don't really understand why I did, but hey, I did it and here we are. In grade 8 everyone except for a couple of exceptions got confirmed into the Catholic faith, and I went through with it as well. I put my trust in the scientific method of proving the universe, I do not believe in it, because that then likens it to a religion when it is about proving theories to be facts and giving that information back to people to use for the betterment of society.

When Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson presented the remade Cosmos series a few years ago I fell in love with science all over again. I started looking up lectures and performances he had done and gained a new perspective on how gods "exist". As science proves more and more about how the universe works and how it moves and other such things, the gods of the religions expanse over which they are supposedly controlling gets smaller and smaller.

What I believe to be true about gods (not proven yet) is that many people need a higher being to think of as controlling everything and that when they eventually die, that being will welcome them with open arms and they will be able to have everything they've ever wanted.

I do not believe that it is possible for an invisible, all knowing, all creating, all destroying being to be everywhere, all the time, always helping everyone in some way. I would be happy to be proven wrong by anyone capable of showing that this sort of being does in fact exist, because if the above description is to be given to any one thing right now, that is air. Air is invisible (to a point), it has been "there" for nearly everything that has ever happened on earth and certainly in history books, air fosters new life, it is combustible, and it is found everywhere on this planet, thus being "there" to help you at all times. So I put this to you, having, admittedly, just come up with this on the spot, this theory of any kind of a god.

Air is the "God" you are looking for.

 

[zzz_pt]

I was reading your fist posts @Red_Bull_Pro and I suspected you were a teenager. Now that I know it for sure, I can suggest you a youtube channel made by Teens as well.

Simlpe videos, not very hard to grasp and to somenoe like you they will (or should) raise some simple but fundamental questions.

You're 14, you have a life ahead of you and this is not the most important thing in the world. You can always think about it in 2, 3 or 5 years (more than that starts to get complicated).

But if you want to give it some thought in your free time, it will always be worth it.

They're kids, have scripted texts but maybe you're the best public for their channel.