But you haven't spent 40 pages explaining. You've spent 40 pages avoiding explaining, fobbing people off to other sources, debating terminology, and generally attempting to weasel out of giving it an honest effort.
To the contrary most of that is responding to objections.
And it still continues on just as your statement above clearly indicates.
Not once in those 40 pages have you made a clear, concise explanation of your method that could be given to a five year old. If you think you have done so, just quote it. I don't think you can.
It's God's method not mine.
And I can't do it for you.
You have to do it for yourself.
Likewise again all the instruction is in the New Testament.
I've stated that repeatedly, only to be met with more objections, that it is not a complete enough.
It's his method not mine.
Maybe that will sink in at some point.
Likewise the main reason I am referring to this instruction is:
Romans 10:17 [Full Chapter]
So then
faith cometh
by hearing, and
hearing by the word of God.
To me that is obviously needed here to proceed.
Here is something I already posted regarding this:
OK to answer the question involving the correct tool............
In reality it would be tools.
The first basic tool needed is the same one used in everything, perception.
Then using perception, apply objective examination and evaluation.
However first you will have to cleanse your perception of any preconcieved judgements or ideas, at least with regard to this area of examination.
The biggest reason of necessity for that is the quest for determination of a different dimension cannot be bound by the borders of the physical dimension. They are wholly unapplicable.
That is precisely why Science as a tool cannot help in this examination, except perhaps as a correlation at times.
You cannot apply physical boundaries to the spiritual dimension in an effort to establish it.
Otherwise you are wasting your time.
The spiritual will never fit within the limitations of physical or carnal concepts and realities.
God does not reside in the physical, but the spiritual.
Therefore, you must be able to get your head around that and again put aside all physical concepts in this application.
Now assuming you can get that far,
The next tool that will be needed is faith.
And before you get all shaky on me, just here me out.
A different dimension requires different tools, just like different dimensional systems of a car do.
You may not be versed at using it, but to go further you will have to start.
And it's not that foreign in reality. It is just a realization of something that you cannot see, like wind or gravity.
The difference is the Holy Spirit is not universal as far as, it is only perceptable and operable among those
that have it, or have recieved it.
Just a note here: Thus far you may find throughout the process, that belief is of assistance as an additional or companion tool.
I think a little objective logic at times helps as well.
Also, keep in mind that God's method and intention here is one of personal appeal and challenge.
Or it is primarily in the relational aspects, to you personally as well as to everyone publically.
So they are the tools you will need.
No, that's your own invention.
No, it's not my invention, but God's invention.
And by doing so, he can supercede the physical realm, and appeal to each individual exclusively for acceptance or rejection of his proposal.
As I've said, that way it is just you and him.
The scientific method is the best method humanity has come up with to learn about stuff we're not sure about. That includes things that are spiritual, things that are otherworldly, things that are alien, and things that are just plain weird. It includes everything that we don't know about, and were there to be things that it was unsuited to then new techniques would be devised and added to the list of tools that we call the scientific method.
Thats your assumption.
It cannot be added to Scientific method, because again it is exclusively "apart from", "separated from" the carnal physical realm.
If you say that it can't be used to learn about spiritual things, then that's your claim and you need to explain it. Because the scientific method has no such limitations on what it can be used to learn about. People used to think that all sorts of things were magic and beyond the physical, and yet somehow we used the scientific method to learn about them anyway.
Again you keep assuming that has appication here.
It does not.
Nobody has ever said this. It's a strawman.
I disagree.
40 plus pages of discussion and explanation, are met with 40 plus pages of the same assunptions and objections.
Based on that record, and your statements in this very post, you still assume Science is the only knowledge.
If you didn't believe that, you would not be continuing attempts to shoehorn this application into the Scientific method.
The scientific method is the best way we have to learn stuff. It's not the only way. Trial and error works, but it's time consuming and prone to, well, error. Simple observation works, but is prone to error as well. Making stuff up out of thin air occasionally works too, on the same basis as a million monkeys at a million typewriters producing Shakespeare, but it's enormously prone to error.
Well if it is not the only way, which you are correct, it is not, and it is prone to error, which it is, then please stop insisting on appying it where it is unapplicable.
If you have a better method, explain it to us. Clearly you think you do, and we've been asking you to explain it for (apparently) 40 pages now. I don't feel that you've explained what your method is to the extent that I have any understanding of what you're talking about, and nor do many other people I suspect.
First, it is not my method.
Second. as far as being better, it is better ultimately in every respect, but it is not competing with Science, except in establishment of priority of authority and trust.
Third, you do not know what I am talking about because you do not have the Holy Spirit.
And you do not have it, because to get it, you must believe, trust and rely on Jesus Christ as the person he said he was, and your personal savior.
Although thats already been mentioned before, perhaps this time it is enough explanation.
Mostly you keep referring to your own authority and that of the Bible. Is that is that it? The words of SCJ and those in the Bible are necessarily true? Because that's a pretty poor method for learning about new things.
I am only testifying to the authority of it from again the
"within" position.
There is only one thing to learn initially.
The realization that
the Bible is the authority.
Once that is known, the learning of new things will begin in earnest.
You haven't explained a single thing at any point on any page. You've been way past explanation since the start.Uhhh... what method? You've still not given a method - you've only managed a first step, after a boatload of coercion, and are refusing to explain why that is the first step.When one is forthcoming.No, it's the expert that answer the questions. I don't know anything about the method to answer any questions...
I disagree.
40 plus pages of discussion and explanation, are met with 40 plus pages of the same assumptions and objections.
Why is step 1 of your method 3 chapters into the third book of what you say is the instruction book? Why is chronologically earlier information and instruction placed before it if that is the first step?
In my respose above to Imari I realized something that I think we should address before this precept.
So perhaps we should back up from this and establish something else first.
Do you agree that Scientific knowledge is not the only knowledge?
Or is it possible for knowledge to exist outside of the Scientific?
Most important of all, why can you not provide a robust method, step-by-step from atheism to a personal relationship with God and just keep obfuscating instead?Actually, you made that up much earlier in a thread to weasel out of providing your methods. It's not a limitation of "Science" whatsoever. It was explained to you at the time that the word "science" literally means "knowledge" and the scientific method is the tool we have for acquiring knowledge by discerning fact from fiction.
Although I have already answered this multiple times, I need your answer to the proceeding question before I can comment further on the rest of this.
BTW made what up?
Most important of all, why can you not provide a robust method, step-by-step from atheism to a personal relationship with God and just keep obfuscating instead?Actually, you made that up much earlier in a thread to weasel out of providing your methods. It's not a limitation of "Science" whatsoever. It was explained to you at the time that the word "science" literally means "knowledge" and the scientific method is the tool we have for acquiring knowledge by discerning fact from fiction.
Not specific types of knowledge, but knowledge. You've persisted with this fabrication and are refusing to explain why you think this limitation exists.A lie is when you state something you know to be untrue and pretend it is true.
Perhaps you are answering the above question here.
Definitively, Science(knowledge)
does not imply or assume "all knowledge" or "exclusive discoverer of any and all knowledge"
So thats an assumption on your part as to the exclusiveness of Science.
Likewise under that assumption, you are seeking to claim there is no knowledge, except as dictated by Science, which is an unprovable assumption.
Science does not even make such a claim.
Further since you have no concept, understanding, or perception of anything outside the carnal, physical realm, it may likely appear something outside of that jurisdiction is an untruth.
That only makes it a lie by your belief, and not by conclusive evidence.
Therefore it is not a fabrication, but rather a claim of knowledge gained from other than Scientific means.
It's neither a lie or necessarily the truth, to one in which the concept is unknown and unconventional, but a claim to be investigated as to validity nonetheless.
Once again for the record, the spiritual realm is unaccessable as far as I have determined, except through the person of Jesus Christ.
There is accessibility there for anyone who wants it.
Bear in mind that your account cannot take the consequences of persisting with this lie (or ignoring it) and I have already given you two chances to recant it, make your next response extremely carefully...
My conclusion there, is based on 40 plus pages of explanation, met with the same assumptions and objections, and your repeated attempts to insist it is "my method" after repeatedly being told "it is not my method".
As well as repeated accusations of incomplete explanation of steps of the test, after repeated posts wherein they were listed, which is still being continued above.
So you tell me, what other conclusion can be logically drawn from that?
BTW threats only serve to imply your argument is too weak to stand on it's own merit.
Why do you think this? I've asked this about a 6 times now.I have no idea why you think that the scientific method (the method of learning about reality) is limited to only some aspects of reality and not others. It's like you've said math only works with numbers less than 100. I don't see any reason to think that it won't work anywhere.
The biggest reason I think that, is because the spiritual reality I know, was not and is not garnered through Science.
Again it's not within Science's jurisdiction.
You can't find it there.
You can't learn about it there.
Its just that simple.
It's purposely designed exclusively to be an individual decision, not a matter of scientific discovery.
