Do you believe in God?

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Do you believe in god?

  • Of course, without him nothing would exist!

    Votes: 624 30.6%

  • Maybe.

    Votes: 368 18.0%

  • No way!

    Votes: 1,051 51.5%
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Imari
Nope, but how the person who has a big say in going to war decides whether they will or not is a different thing.

Presidents have been known to go to war because their head pixies told them so. I'm yet to hear of one that went to war over a hamburger.

That's what this is ultimately about, Christians voting for Christians and beefeaters voting for beefeaters. Except that whether a candidate eats beef or not is highly unlikely to influence any policy of note, whereas their religion almost certainly will.

Which is why comparing Christians to people who eat beef in the context of politics is asinine. Whether someone is a Christian is relevant information. Whether they eat beef is not.
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That's fine, carry on with how Christians cause war. I was pointing out how silly I think it is for vegan to vote for a vegan and so on and so forth, the bottom line is people can vote for whatever reason they want. That's all.
 
xyloscissor
That's fine, carry on with how Christians cause war. I was pointing out how silly I think it is for vegan to vote for a vegan and so on and so forth, the bottom line is people can vote for whatever reason they want. That's all.
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Many Presidents have used God as a reason to commit to war. That's a somewhat scary thought, even if the war was justified. What else could a politician use under the name of their God and get away with it because a majority of people also believe in that same God, and therefore choose not to challenge it?
 
I'm curious what you guys took away from the inauguration. Here is my take, while we have a secular government we are still a Christian nation like it or not. Is Trump a war monger who will go to war in the name of the abrahamic god? I don't think so, in fact he is going back to our roots of free trade without alliances.

He seems pretty mad at isis, aren't we all though?

people fight people, god or not
 
xyloscissor
I'm curious what you guys took away from the inauguration. Here is my take, while we have a secular government we are still a Christian nation like it or not. Is Trump a war monger who will go to war in the name of the abrahamic god? I don't think so, in fact he is going back to our roots of free trade without alliances.

He seems pretty mad at isis, aren't we all though?

people fight people, god or not
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Not bad for a short, punchy synopsis of a 16 minute speech which called for sweeping change in the first part and a new kind of unity, (based not on party or identity but nationalism and patriotism) in the 2nd part.

I can characterize it in two memorable slogans: "Power to the people!" and "America first!".
 
In the history of world religions, some of them such as Cathar Christianity and Zoroastrianism are overtly dualistic. This means they believe that both good and evil exists, and that humans are instruments through which this battle is fought.

Some people say that being good is a virtue, and should be practiced for its own reward. Some say that being good is your ticket to preparing your soul for whatever comes next.

But if evil exists in the modern world and is fact ruling at the present time, isn't it the prudent thing to accommodate and go along with evil? If dark forces threaten to destroy you and your family for rebellion on the one hand, and on the other offer comfort, safety and pleasure in return for obeisance, isn't it better to go with evil, even if it should cost you your self-respect and your soul (should the soul even exist)?
 
Dotini
In the history of world religions, some of them such as Cathar Christianity and Zoroastrianism are overtly dualistic. This means they believe that both good and evil exists, and that humans are instruments through which this battle is fought.

Some people say that being good is a virtue, and should be practiced for its own reward. Some say that being good is your ticket to preparing your soul for whatever comes next.

But if evil exists in the modern world and is fact ruling at the present time, isn't it the prudent thing to accommodate and go along with evil? If dark forces threaten to destroy you and your family for rebellion on the one hand, and on the other offer comfort, safety and pleasure in return for obeisance, isn't it better to go with evil, even if it should cost you your self-respect and your soul (should the soul even exist)?
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The last post was in January. Being good is something you should be doing regardless of your religion. Question answered, let the thread die now please.
 
Dotini
But if evil exists in the modern world and is fact ruling at the present time, isn't it the prudent thing to accommodate and go along with evil? If dark forces threaten to destroy you and your family for rebellion on the one hand, and on the other offer comfort, safety and pleasure in return for obeisance, isn't it better to go with evil, even if it should cost you your self-respect and your soul (should the soul even exist)?
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I don't care much for the concept of good and evil, but if you do, then surely the whole point of good or being good, is to fight or confront evil whenever it looks to be starting to oppress you or what you stand for. Good and evil can't cohabit. If history has taught us anything, it's that if you accept you're living under an evil regime and do nothing about it for an easy life, then you are no better than those you allow to suppress your morals.

Castrol96
Just a question, what do atheists think in what made us?
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What do atheists think made us? Is that what you're asking?
 
TheCracker
I don't care much for the concept of good and evil, but if you do, then surely the whole point of good or being good, is to fight or confront evil whenever it looks to be starting to oppress you or what you stand for. Good and evil can't cohabit. If history has taught us anything, it's that if you accept you're living under an evil regime and do nothing about it for an easy life, then you are no better than those you allow to suppress your morals.



What do atheists think made us? Is that what you're asking?
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yes.
 
MrWaflz55
The last post was in January. Being good is something you should be doing regardless of your religion. Question answered, let the thread die now please.
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Castrol96
Just a question, what do atheists think in what made us?
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Since atheism isn't a system of beliefs, there's not an answer to that question.

You could, however, ask a particular atheist what they think about the origins of humanity. Their answer would only be representative of them personally, not of any other atheist.
 
Funny that this thread ressurects for it's next iteration, of which the number of is approaching that one of the count of apocalypse prophecies, just as it's turning to it's 666th page.

But probably more of an inevitability really.
 
Eight and a half years and no consensus... who'd have thought?! :gtpflag:

Castrol96
Just a question, what do atheists think in what made us?
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TheCracker
I don't care much for the concept of good and evil, but if you do, then surely the whole point of good or being good, is to fight or confront evil whenever it looks to be starting to oppress you or what you stand for. Good and evil can't cohabit. If history has taught us anything, it's that if you accept you're living under an evil regime and do nothing about it for an easy life, then you are no better than those you allow to suppress your morals.
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This part highlighted is not a bad thought, except for the other part where you say you don't care about good or evil, which vitiates the whole thing.
 
Instead of asking if God exists, try asking if Good exists. If Good exists, then does evil also exist? Is there a war between good and evil? Are people a part of this war? Is anything really at stake?
 
Castrol96
Just a question, what do atheists think in what made us?
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I think panspermia is probably a closer explanation than abiogenesis for the emergence of the first life on Earth (though, of course, that only kicks the can farther down the road - how did that life emerge?), and evolution adapting that life to Earth's environment took over from there.
 
Dotini
This part highlighted is not a bad thought, except for the other part where you say you don't care about good or evil, which vitiates the whole thing.
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I actually said 'don't care for the concept of good and evil' as I find it far too simplistic. But then that's religion for you, trying to sum things up as black or white when actually nearly everything is a shade of grey.
 
Dotini
Instead of asking if God exists, try asking if Good exists. If Good exists, then does evil also exist? Is there a war between good and evil? Are people a part of this war? Is anything really at stake?
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What is good and what is evil? That is a very subjective notion. And it certainly doesn't require some postulation as to make it godly in the way of attributing a "holy" good versus evil sort of war. At best, good and evil are societal ideals placed on action or thought.
 
Rallywagon
What is good and what is evil? That is a very subjective notion. And it certainly doesn't require some postulation as to make it godly in the way of attributing a "holy" good versus evil sort of war. At best, good and evil are societal ideals placed on action or thought.
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We can at least associate good with light and evil with darkness. We can make reference to classical Greek philosophy and mythology. There is an academic and theological body of work which deals with these subjects. Materialism and spirituality are also related concepts. There is more to say and work if the interest is there.
 

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