Do you believe in God?

[Yttrium99]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6417074

Going off of what Safeway said, as well as this poll, though it's not an actual qualification, it does seem to be a de facto one. 92% of Congress? Yikes, seems my odds would stack a little higher to become a representative in Texas if I identify as some sort of Christian.

 

[xyloscissor]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6417074

Going off of what Safeway said, as well as this poll, though it's not an actual qualification, it does seem to be a de facto one. 92% of Congress? Yikes, seems my odds would stack a little higher to become a representative in Texas if I identify as some sort of Christian.

I wonder the percentage of u.s. citizens that eat beef, I'm sure it's as high or higher than Christian, what to do about them?

 

[mistersafeway]

The premise presented to me was one that education must directly correlate with the eradication of religion.

Not a case of must or eradication, but it does have some correlation with reduced religiosity. As level of education goes up, rate of religion goes down, at least as far as I understand it. There are still highly qualified physicists who believe in some form of god, although I think they're more likely to have an unspecified god than the Christian one for example, so it's not a case of smart = atheist dumb = religious.

 

[Yttrium99]

I wonder the percentage of u.s. citizens that eat beef, I'm sure it's as high or higher than Christian, what to do about them?

And the vegans, can't forget 'em.


In all honesty, I have no clue what you're getting at.

 

[xyloscissor]

And the vegans, can't forget 'em.


In all honesty, I have no clue what you're getting at.

It's not that far from religion is it? If we are to say it is unfair to rock the vote based on a belief, well.....

 

[Yttrium99]

It's not that far from religion is it? If we are to say it is unfair to rock the vote based on a belief, well.....

Thanks for clarifying.

A dietary choice isn't influenctial in the same ways as religion seems to be. People don't get persecuted for the simple fact they don't eat meat, or whatever they choose to ingest, not without a religious backing.

 

[xyloscissor]

Thanks for clarifying.

A dietary choice isn't influenctial in the same ways as religion seems to be. People don't get persecuted for the simple fact they don't eat meat, or whatever they choose to ingest, not without a religious backing.

I disagree, not in the country I live in but I'm sure you know of halal or whatever they call it. Here is what I will say on the dealio. One of my kids is vegan and quite serious about it, not to the point of make or break but I was told in no small terms "dad I can't vote for someone who doesn't advocate animal rights."

That is fine with me, oddly enough I raised the kid hunting lol.

 

[Yttrium99]

I disagree, not in the country I live in but I'm sure you know of halal or whatever they call it. Here is what I will say on the dealio. One of my kids is vegan and quite serious about it, not to the point of make or break but I was told in no small terms "dad I can't vote for someone who doesn't advocate animal rights."

That is fine with me, oddly enough I raised the kid hunting lol.

Halal is a part of a religion. Veganism is not exclusively a part of a religion.

 

[xyloscissor]

Halal is a part of a religion. Veganism is not exclusively a part of a religion.

I know and I realized that just as I hit the post button, it was worth a mention all the same. I was however speaking of a different mindset. Perhaps one held more closely with millennials(not sure about that) so I guess only speaking from which I can clearly see.

I'm pretty sure we can both guess who the kid voted for and why. I did not ask because it is not my business, I raised kids to be adult and think for themselves.

 

[Yttrium99]

I know and I realized that just as I hit the post button, it was worth a mention all the same. I was however speaking of a different mindset. Perhaps one held more closely with millennials(not sure about that) so I guess only speaking from which I can clearly see.

I'm pretty sure we can both guess who the kid voted for and why. I did not ask because it is not my business, I raised kids to be adult and think for themselves.

I'm not sure of the mindset you're talking about when referring to millenials.

As far as for the vote your child casted, I couldn't guess. This past election, I'm not sure who he voted for, as none of the canidates made a major statement on animal rights that I am aware of, and you've only told me one thing about how they choose to vote, which is animal rights. If I knew more about their views on other issues, I could guess.

 

[xyloscissor]

I'm not sure of the mindset you're talking about when referring to millenials.

As far as for the vote your child casted, I couldn't guess. This past election, I'm not sure who he voted for, as none of the canidates made a major statement on animal rights that I am aware of, and you've only told me one thing about how they choose to vote, which is animal rights. If I knew more about their views on other issues, I could guess.

In my experience being what it may millenials are looking at things that hit home in a positive yet perhaps short term or something like that, defo looking for direct representation which is cool. My guess would be Jill Stien as I'm pretty sure she has backing from the appealing groups.

One of my other kids is very much in favor of less government so I have to guess Johnson was the choice there. Others I'm not sure.

I do know for a fact my mother's vote, scared to death of Trump and an olding female

I'm looking at my direct family and not seeing the religious part, well maybe with the Johnson kid but all three so far are Christian.

The mother of my children is in no uncertain terms an atheist and I know also for fact she wrote in Sanders. I'm making some sort of point and that is it all goes beyond religion even though it is a part of it. Each of what I saw was due to what made sense to them, religion or not.

There are very few people going for any office in my life time that I voted for when not being Christian but it has happened and I didn't vote because they were, I voted because I agreed with them and the Christian was whatever. That is just me but it is true the U.S. will not elect a non Christian President.

 

[Yttrium99]

In my experience being what it may millenials are looking at things that hit home in a positive yet perhaps short term or something like that, defo looking for direct representation which is cool. My guess would be Jill Stien as I'm pretty sure she has backing from the appealing groups.

One of my other kids is very much in favor of less government so I have to guess Johnson was the choice there. Others I'm not sure.

I do know for a fact my mother's vote, scared to death of Trump and an olding female

I'm looking at my direct family and not seeing the religious part, well maybe with the Johnson kid but all three so far are Christian.

The mother of my children is in no uncertain terms an atheist and I know also for fact she wrote in Sanders. I'm making some sort of point and that is it all goes beyond religion even though it is a part of it. Each of what I saw was due to what made sense to them, religion or not.

There are very few people going for any office in my life time that I voted for when not being Christian but it has happened and I didn't vote because they were, I voted because I agreed with them and the Christian was whatever. That is just me but it is true the U.S. will not elect a non Christian President.

As a voter, it should remain more secular than anything. The last fact may remain true throughout my life, it may not, I'm not sure. I couldn't care less if America's President was a Southern Baptist or a Buddhist, but the fact is that if it boils down to it, many politicians may not get voted in BECAUSE they don't identify as a Christian, not just letting the fact be a byproduct.

 

[xyloscissor]

Thus, education is key.

 

[xyloscissor]

here, let's see, I've not even looked yet lol

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-
analysis/

Neither graph is what I was looking for as far as raw data but still worth a look all the same. Important numbers to look at if the data is accurate.

 

[Danoff]

There are very few people going for any office in my life time that I voted for when not being Christian but it has happened and I didn't vote because they were, I voted because I agreed with them and the Christian was whatever. That is just me but it is true the U.S. will not elect a non Christian President.

Exactly the same was said about a black president, we did. Exactly the same was said about a female president, Hillary won the popular vote despite being hated by so many. I would be careful about tossing around those kinds of promises.

 

[xyloscissor]

Exactly the same was said about a black president, we did. Exactly the same was said about a female president, Hillary won the popular vote despite being hated by so many. I would be careful about tossing around those kinds of promises.

Maybe I don't understand, why be careful? I would not mind an atheist president

 

[Danoff]

Maybe I don't understand, why be careful? I would not mind an atheist president

Just because you could easily be wrong in a very short time.

 

[xyloscissor]

Just because you could easily be wrong in a very short time.

I'm pretty sure I said I would not mind that already

 

[Danoff]

I'm pretty sure I said I would not mind that already

It generally was not racist people who announced that Obama could not win because he's black. Those same people, immediately after he won, announced that he would be assassinated in the first 4 years because he's black. In almost all cases they were speaking on behalf of others who they assumed could not see past their own biases. I'm sure they do not mind the outcome... that he was elected and he was not assassinated... but they should mind being wrong - spouting off nonsense assuming things about Americans that aren't true and are proven untrue almost immediately after they make these absurd proclamations.

In other words, you should mind being wrong.

 

[xyloscissor]

In other words, you should mind being wrong.

I will never mind being wrong as long as I can learn, I am however not sure where you are thinking I am wrong, I'm very much right in saying we elect Christian Presidents no?

Maybe I still miss your point. If you are saying Christian people are wrong for electing a Christian I would say that you are the one who is wrong.

 

[Danoff]

I will never mind being wrong as long as I can learn, I am however not sure where you are thinking I am wrong, I'm very much right in saying we elect Christian Presidents no?

That is just me but it is true the U.S. will not elect a non Christian President.

I bolded the part I'm talking about.

 

[xyloscissor]

I bolded the part I'm talking about.

The only one has been JFK to the best of my knowledge, you act as if it is something that I like or am proud of when actually I am only stating fact.

 

[Danoff]

The only one has been JFK to the best of my knowledge, you act as if it is something that I like or am proud of when actually I am only stating fact.

It is not a fact that the US will not elect a non-Christian President. "Will not" is a prediction into the future.

 

[huskeR32]

The only one has been JFK to the best of my knowledge

You do realize that Catholics are Christians, right?

 

[xyloscissor]

@Danoff America will one day elect a president not based on religion I suspect so If I indicated I thought otherwise my mistake. I think we already have but it is part of the equation.

@huskeR32 Catholics are Christians sure, but they are not Protestant and I've already spoken about that in this thread. It was a big deal to have a Catholic and to think otherwise is absurd.

 

[Imari]

I wonder the percentage of u.s. citizens that eat beef, I'm sure it's as high or higher than Christian, what to do about them?

Generally people don't go to war because they had a good steak.

 

[xyloscissor]

Generally people don't go to war because they had a good steak.

Because going to war is the same thing as deciding who to vote for of course.

 

[Yttrium99]

Because going to war is the same thing as deciding who to vote for of course.

@Imari meant this in the sense that over the course of history, there's a significant amount of events, wars, deaths, and other things because of a religion. The Crusades, the Dark Ages, stuff like that, based upon religion. I've, in turn, yet to hear anyone pop someone over meat. Now, war isn't the same as voting, but the fsct of the matter is that religion can pose a problem in politics. It's posed problems with development and people before.

 

[xyloscissor]

@Imari meant this in the sense that over the course of history, there's a significant amount of events, wars, deaths, and other things because of a religion. The Crusades, the Dark Ages, stuff like that, based upon religion. I've, in turn, yet to hear anyone pop someone over meat. Now, war isn't the same as voting, but the fsct of the matter is that religion can pose a problem in politics. It's posed problems with development and people before.

But I was not talking about that at all right? Alright though, what if I choose the candidates most likely to wage war regardless of their religion? I know this old argument and it's been ran over and over again in this thread.

 

[Imari]

Because going to war is the same thing as deciding who to vote for of course.

Nope, but how the person who has a big say in going to war decides whether they will or not is a different thing.

Presidents have been known to go to war because their head pixies told them so. I'm yet to hear of one that went to war over a hamburger.

That's what this is ultimately about, Christians voting for Christians and beefeaters voting for beefeaters. Except that whether a candidate eats beef or not is highly unlikely to influence any policy of note, whereas their religion almost certainly will.

Which is why comparing Christians to people who eat beef in the context of politics is asinine. Whether someone is a Christian is relevant information. Whether they eat beef is not.