Do you believe in God?

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Do you believe in god?

  • Of course, without him nothing would exist!

    Votes: 624 30.6%
  • Maybe.

    Votes: 368 18.0%
  • No way!

    Votes: 1,050 51.4%

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In which case no souls need to be evolved or grow and god is causing suffering for its own amusement.

Oh and you just advocated for suffering, again.
God is not really "causing" anything though, it's simply just exploring itself.

"The universe is the mechanism for the one infinite creator to know and experience itself", if you had actually watched some of the Law of One videos, you would know that this is one of the first things that is mentioned.
 
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That's the only logical conclusion possible based on your own claims.
lol... Logic and religion don't belong in the same sentence.

I've always been an agnostic and probably always will be. With religion you have to have blind faith but you have to have some blind faith to not believe in god also. Spontaneous generation doesn't exist. No living organism has ever been created out of thin air.

I would like to believe in a creator but mainly due to my own selfish reasons. I'd like to believe my life has a greater meaning and in the end it will matter what I did in my life somehow. But at the end of the day, I have problems with blind faith and also with scripture. Scripture has been the hands of humanity for far too long. To say that even if scripture was credible, that humans wouldn't have changed it to use as a tool to manipulate people to do what they want, is just absurd. Humans are vile, deceitful, violent pieces of filth.

As for suffering, in my opinion most of us wouldn't know what comfort was without suffering. I've learned from every bit of suffering that I've experienced in one way or another. I think the biggest flaw to Christianity is the belief in divine intervention. Thinking that god picks and chooses what prayers to answer. Therefore leaving the debate open that you guys are having. If god can intervene, then why allow it? I certainly don't have an answer for it and can't even begin to understand it myself either.
 
It's not really "causing" anything though, it's simply just exploring itself.

"The universe is the mechanism for the one infinite creator to know and experience itself", if you had actually watched some of the Law of One videos, you would know that this is one of the first things that is mentioned.
Then it's not omnipotent and the talk of our souls needing to grow and evolve is nonsense.

As for suffering, in my opinion most of us wouldn't know what comfort was without suffering.
I'm 100% sure I don't need to have my fingernails torn out to know that it's more comfortable to not have them torn out.
 
lol... Logic and religion don't belong in the same sentence.

I've always been an agnostic and probably always will be. With religion you have to have blind faith but you have to have some blind faith to not believe in god also. Spontaneous generation doesn't exist. No living organism has ever been created out of thin air.
Why are you equating a lack of god(s) to spontaneous generation? They have nothing to do with each other.
I'd like to believe my life has a greater meaning and in the end it will matter what I did in my life somehow.
Your life has as much meaning as you want. Gods won't give it meaning.
Humans are vile, deceitful, violent pieces of filth.
That seems to ignore a whole lot of humanity.
As for suffering, in my opinion most of us wouldn't know what comfort was without suffering.
I've never been on fire. I very much appreciate not being on fire despite this.
 
@Ghost Lap what is the basis for your beliefs?

@Danoff I did see your reply, but that is a big discussion - we'd have to go through every battle, study it, and I don't think this forum is the best place for a big undertaking. I disagree with you, I don't believe God has ever done anything without very good cause. I like the point though, I think it's a pretty interesting discussion
 
So, we're now at the point where God is the universe, but despite knowing all things, being everywhere, and having limitless powers and capabilties, he (or she, or it) is bored and decides to cut bits off himself (or herself, or itself) to make human souls, which are then sent to live with other bits of itself where they must endure being tortured by those other bits in order to be improved for their return back to God...

... even though God is omniscient and therefore knows what souls are going to do what to what other souls and thus not alleviate his/her/its boredom, and omnipotent so the bits can't be improved (or diminished) because it changes him/her/it, rendering the entire exercise somewhat moot.

Which essentially leaves us with a deity who created everything including people and knows what people are going to do to each other, and not only allows it to happen but could easily create something else where it didn't happen, even though the end product is completely irrelevant so there's no reason to do any of it.


I'm not sure what the word is for designing a system in which awful things can happen - despite having the ability to prevent it - and simply watching the awful things happen without acting to prevent them, because you want them to happen as part of an experiment you already know the results of. I think "****" would suffice.

With religion you have to have blind faith but you have to have some blind faith to not believe in god also.
No.

You require faith to believe in a deity. You require faith to believe in no deities. You do not require faith to not believe in a deity.
 
So, we're now at the point where God is the universe, but despite knowing all things, being everywhere, and having limitless powers and capabilties, he (or she, or it) is bored and decides to cut bits off himself (or herself, or itself) to make human souls, which are then sent to live with other bits of itself where they must endure being tortured by those other bits in order to be improved for their return back to God...

... even though God is omniscient and therefore knows what souls are going to do what to what other souls and thus not alleviate his/her/its boredom, and omnipotent so the bits can't be improved (or diminished) because it changes him/her/it, rendering the entire exercise somewhat moot.

Which essentially leaves us with a deity who created everything including people and knows what people are going to do to each other, and not only allows it to happen but could easily create something else where it didn't happen, even though the end product is completely irrelevant so there's no reason to do any of it.
...such a perfect and succinct answer to where the big bang came from. [/s]
 
@JeffKill It's like getting attacked by a bunch of vultures or something.
This isn't a safe space. If you're going to spout nonsense, you're going to be called on it.
...such a perfect and succinct answer to where the big bang came from. [/s]
[It's Robin Williams. I'd think the "language warning" is implied.]

 
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So, we're now at the point where God is the universe, but despite knowing all things, being everywhere, and having limitless powers and capabilties, he (or she, or it) is bored and decides to cut bits off himself (or herself, or itself) to make human souls, which are then sent to live with other bits of itself where they must endure being tortured by those other bits in order to be improved for their return back to God...

... even though God is omniscient and therefore knows what souls are going to do what to what other souls and thus not alleviate his/her/its boredom, and omnipotent so the bits can't be improved (or diminished) because it changes him/her/it, rendering the entire exercise somewhat moot.

Which essentially leaves us with a deity who created everything including people and knows what people are going to do to each other, and not only allows it to happen but could easily create something else where it didn't happen, even though the end product is completely irrelevant so there's no reason to do any of it.


I'm not sure what the word is for designing a system in which awful things can happen - despite having the ability to prevent it - and simply watching the awful things happen without acting to prevent them, because you want them to happen as part of an experiment you already know the results of. I think "****" would suffice.
 
You require faith to believe in a deity. You require faith to believe in no deities. You do not require faith to not believe in
If you’re saying faith can only be tied directly to religion, then yes, you’re correct. But if you believe in spontaneous generation (or the world just appearing from nothing on its own) then you believe in just as much of a fallacy as those who believe in god. Cause again, nothing in existence has ever been created from nothing.
 
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If you’re saying faith can only be tied directly to religion, then yes, you’re correct. But if you believe in spontaneous generation (or the world just appearing from nothing on its own) then you believe in just as much of a fallacy as those who believe in god. Cause again, nothing in existence has ever been created from nothing.
I am neither tying faith to religion, nor belief to anything else. You, however, are drawing a line straight from not believing in one thing to believing in another thing.

That's fundamentally unnecessary; not believing is not the same thing as believing in something else.

Theism and nontheism are both deity-related beliefs - the belief in one or several gods and the belief in zero gods, respectively. Atheism is the absence of a belief in any number of gods (including zero).
 
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If you’re saying faith can only be tied directly to religion, then yes, you’re correct. But if you believe in spontaneous generation (or the world just appearing from nothing on its own) then you believe in just as much of a fallacy as those who believe in god.
I don't think you'll find a single person in here who has "belief", in the religious sense, in spontaneous generation.
Cause again, nothing in existence has ever been created from nothing.
Definitely do not look up hawking radiation.
 
I am neither tying faith to religion, nor belief to anything else. You, however, are drawing a line straight from not believing in one thing to believing in another thing.

That's fundamentally unnecessary; not believing is not the same thing as believing in something else.

Theism and nontheism are both deity-related beliefs - the belief in one or several gods and the belief in zero gods, respectively. Atheism is the absence of a belief in any number of gods (including zero).
I’m not drawing any lines. Just laughing at the irony of it. I never said you yourself belived that.
Definitely do not look up hawking radiation.
I misspoke again. No living organism has ever been created from nothing.
 
I’m not drawing any lines.
With religion you have to have blind faith but you have to have some blind faith to not believe in god also. Spontaneous generation doesn't exist. No living organism has ever been created out of thin air.
I never said you yourself belived that.
Nor did I say you did. You just keep drawing a line from not believing in a god to believing in something else ("spontaneous generation") and you claim that "you have to have some blind faith to not believe in god".

Faith is not necessary to not believe in any god. Believing in a god/gods and believing in no gods are acts of faith. Not believing in a god is not an act of faith; it is an absence of faith, and it does not require faith in anything else.
 
Nor did I say you did. You just keep drawing a line from not believing in a god to believing in something else ("spontaneous generation") and you claim that "you have to have some blind faith to not believe in god".

Faith is not necessary to not believe in any god. Believing in a god/gods and believing in no gods are acts of faith. Not believing in a god is not an act of faith; it is an absence of faith, and it does not require faith in anything else.
I see your point.
 
@JeffKill It's like getting attacked by a bunch of vultures or something.
We're part of God's plan to do so. Don't question it.


For the record, this line of, "suffering causes the soul to experience growth" or whatever "for the greater good" shows God must be on some really good Copium. The hundreds of years of wars fought throughout humanity with all the suffering that comes with war, doesn't seem to imply God has achieved whatever goal he's after since the outcome is typically the same. If anything, the only growth that comes from such suffering is a growth for revenge & causing suffering on others. What's the greater good of these conflicts & suffering happening? An eventual time of truce & peace before another war inevitably starts again?

Don't buy it.
 
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I misspoke again. No living organism has ever been created from nothing.
If you're saying that a fruit fly has never come from the air around some rotting meat, sure. If you're saying that animal life cannot be traced back to nothing, that's much harder to say.

Quantum mechanics is why hawking radiation is a thing (and evidence supports hawking radiation being a thing). Quantum mechanics is also, inescapably, the domain of the entire universe in the earliest moments of the big bang. So the fact that hawking radiation is a counter example to your previous wording should give you a clue that it absolutely does matter to the origin of the universe.

The earliest stages of the universe were fundamentally quantum in nature because of how compressed all of spacetime, matter and energy was. The origin of the universe is not like a chicken laying an egg, it's like particle superposition.
 
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If you're saying that a fruit fly has never come from the air around some rotting meat, sure. If you're saying that animal life cannot be traced back to nothing, that's much harder to say.

Quantum mechanics is why hawking radiation is a thing (and evidence supports hawking radiation being a thing). Quantum mechanics is also, inescapably, the domain of the entire universe in the earliest moments of the big bang. So the fact that hawking radiation is a counter example to your previous wording should give you a clue that it absolutely does matter to the origin of the universe.

The earliest stages of the universe were fundamentally quantum in nature because of how compressed all of spacetime, matter and energy was. The origin of the universe is not like a chicken laying an egg, it's like particle superposition.
All I see are theories.
 
All I see are theories.
Theories are falsifiable or not. If evidence to support a theory exists, there's evidence to support it. If evidence that contradicts a theory exists, the theory is reworked, put on the back burner or binned entirely.

You don't have that with belief. Belief persists in the absence of evidence. Belief that persists in the absence of evidence is irrational. It's delusion.
 
@JeffKill It's like getting attacked by a bunch of vultures or something.
Not really. Look my beliefs are different than many of those who post in this thread since I believe that there is something instead of just not believing in anything. I'm not attacked for it, but people do pose questions and engage in a discussion surrounding it.

No one is attacking you or @JeffKill, they're having a discussion surrounding something that you posted. And honestly, when you implied that being raped is part of god's plan, you could've easily been attacked over it, but that didn't happen either. People questioned it because it's completely asinine to equate rape to be part of some grand plan.
 
I believe that there is something instead of just not believing in anything. I'm not attacked for it
giphy.webp
 
God is not really "causing" anything though, it's simply just exploring itself.

"The universe is the mechanism for the one infinite creator to know and experience itself", if you had actually watched some of the Law of One videos, you would know that this is one of the first things that is mentioned.
This god is supposedly omnipotent and omniscient - there is nothing for such a god to explore.
 
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