Do you believe in God?

[BubbleBelly542]

Just because there are things yet to be proven by science doesn't mean there must be a higher power causing them. All it means is we don't understand yet, but chances are we will eventually, and when we do understand, it probably won't have anything to do with a god.

I know but we also don't know if they can be proven, so for now, until science does indeed prove these things, we have to have another explanation for it. I'm not saying that everyone must feel this way it's just the way I feel.

 

[Encyclopedia]

I know but we also don't know if they can be proven, so for now, until science does indeed prove these things, we have to have another explanation for it. I'm not saying that everyone must feel this way it's just the way I feel.

What's wrong with simply saying we don't know? Why manufacture an explanation based on nothing? How is that better?

 

[BubbleBelly542]

What's wrong with simply saying we don't know? Why manufacture an explanation based on nothing? How is that better?

What's wrong with using god to explain it?

 

[Encyclopedia]

What's wrong with using god to explain it?

The complete lack of evidence for example. What's the point of an explanation if no effort is made to assert the truth of it?

 

[dylansan]

You can't know it's god any more than you can know it can be proven by science. Why do you have to pick one? You don't have to pretend you know everything by claiming it was god's doing. Just admit that you don't know, and then maybe you have a chance to find out.

 

[Villain]

You can't know it's god any more than you can know it can be proven by science.

Yeah, I don't agree with what this implies. The scientific method requires evidence to prove/disprove theories. Religion requires "faith" - I'll take evidence over faith any day.

 

[BubbleBelly542]

You can't know it's god any more than you can know it can be proven by science. Why do you have to pick one? You don't have to pretend you know everything by claiming it was god's doing. Just admit that you don't know, and then maybe you have a chance to find out.

I don't know everything. I don't like it when people won't let others believe what they want.

 

[dylansan]

I don't know everything. I don't like it when people won't let others believe what they want.

I'm not stopping you from believing what you want, but to state that we need to have some other explanation for the things we don't understand is completely false. I know it's just "how you feel" but that's not how it works. To say god is the answer to our questions only limits our ability to find actual answers. If you just assume god did it, what reason do you have to go looking for evidence and scientific proof? You've already made up your mind. Worst of all, if science later answers our questions without the need for a god to exist, what will you do? You might admit that god was not needed for those questions, and then say that god is still our only answer for the new questions that come about. Why? Why keep pretending it's god even when science continues to answer questions without god?

I'm glad not everyone has to feel the way you do, because if everyone did, there would be no science, no discoveries, no insight, just the idea that "god did it."

 

[Owen.C93]

I'm glad not everyone has to feel the way you do, because if everyone did, there would be no science, no discoveries, no insight, just the idea that "god did it."

Yeah the last time religion ran the world we had the dark ages. You had your chance

 

[BubbleBelly542]

I'm glad not everyone has to feel the way you do, because if everyone did, there would be no science, no discoveries, no insight, just the idea that "god did it."

Why say such a thing? I'm not saying we shouldn't try and find out what really happened. I myself need to see a reason for something happening, and until sciences does find out what happened why not look toward something? Maybe God made science...

 

[dylansan]

Why say such a thing? I'm not saying we shouldn't try and find out what really happened. I myself need to see a reason for something happening, and until sciences does find out what happened why not look toward something? Maybe God made science...

You're asking why not, I'm asking why. Using god as an answer just because we don't have any other answer does not further our understanding in any way. It doesn't give us any insight into how the universe works. It's just a placeholder until real evidence comes along, and as such, it's pointless. If there isn't an answer available, we don't need to come up with a different answer based on no evidence, just so that we can pretend we understand. If we don't know, we don't know. Assuming god is involved is absolutely unnecessary.

Once again, I'm not saying you can't believe in god, just that not knowing things is definitely not a good enough reason to believe in god.

 

[BubbleBelly542]

You're asking why not, I'm asking why. Using god as an answer just because we don't have any other answer does not further our understanding in any way. It doesn't give us any insight into how the universe works. It's just a placeholder until real evidence comes along, and as such, it's pointless. If there isn't an answer available, we don't need to come up with a different answer based on no evidence, just so that we can pretend we understand. If we don't know, we don't know. Assuming god is involved is absolutely unnecessary.

Once again, I'm not saying you can't believe in god, just that not knowing things is definitely not a good enough reason to believe in god.

Well okay I see your point. I'm going to stop here I don't want to argue anymore.

 

[Mattv81]

I really don't know if god exists. I guess it's possible that a "god" made the big bang. But I'm absolutely sure that none of our religious books have had any input from god, because there are just too many ridiculous ideas in them. Why would a god tell us the world is 6000 years old if it isn't? Why would it say the world was made in a week? And why would a god come down and only tell a small group of people, and then watch as we have countless wars over who is right and who is wrong? If it would do that, then it must be pretty sadistic. If there is a god, then I believe we would be nothing more than a science experiment to it. We would be like a petri dish full of bacteria, amongst billions of other petri dishes floating across the universe. I really think god wouldn't give a damn if we worship it or not. If you made some life, would you really care if that life worshipped you or not? You woundn't would you? I really don't think an enlightened god would be so vain and egotistical. And I certainly don't think a god would be so unreasonable to expect us to believe in a 2000 year old book with absolutely no solid evidence. If Christianity, Islam or any of them are absolutely true, then there is absolutely no way I would want to hang out with a god like that for eternity.

 

[TT3AZ]

I really don't know if god exists. I guess it's possible that a "god" made the big bang. But I'm absolutely sure that none of our religious books have had any input from god, because there are just too many ridiculous ideas in them. Why would a god tell us the world is 6000 years old if it isn't? Why would it say the world was made in a week? And why would a god come down and only tell a small group of people, and then watch as we have countless wars over who is right and who is wrong? If it would do that, then it must be pretty sadistic. If there is a god, then I believe we would be nothing more than a science experiment to it. We would be like a petri dish full of bacteria, amongst billions of other petri dishes floating across the universe. I really think god wouldn't give a damn if we worship it or not. If you made some life, would you really care if that life worshipped you or not? You woundn't would you? I really don't think an enlightened god would be so vain and egotistical. And I certainly don't think a god would be so unreasonable to expect us to believe in a 2000 year old book with absolutely no solid evidence. If Christianity, Islam or any of them are absolutely true, then there is absolutely no way I would want to hang out with a god like that for eternity.

Well, you could either deny god or accept his existence. We have all seen, that those who gone astray will be punished in one way or another. This life isnt important, its the life after, who knows what will happen then?

No one can tell what will happen after, and hence, thats why there are religions, you got to make good deeds and obey god to be granted with peace in life hereafter.

Second, i do believe that all religious believe in the same god, but if christians or muslims think they believe in differend gods, then they are wriong. How can one claim that there is only one god, if other religions believe in "another" god?

Besides, christianity and islam isnt the only monoethical religions.


/Im not religious....

 

[Mattv81]

Well, you could either deny god or accept his existence. We have all seen, that those who gone astray will be punished in one way or another. This life isnt important, its the life after, who knows what will happen then?

No one can tell what will happen after, and hence, thats why there are religions, you got to make good deeds and obey god to be granted with peace in life hereafter.

Second, i do believe that all religious believe in the same god, but if christians or muslims think they believe in differend gods, then they are wriong. How can one claim that there is only one god, if other religions believe in "another" god?

Besides, christianity and islam isnt the only monoethical religions.


/Im not religious....

Yeah, but I am a good person. I follow all the good advice in the bible without ever having learned it from religion. All the bits I agree with can be summed up in a single sentence- "treat others as you would like to be treated". Thats why I don't judge gay people like muslims, christians etc do. Intelligent people know that gay people are gay because they were born that way, not because of their upbringing, life experiences, or because they are "possessed by the devil" lol. If god really hates gay people then why would it make people that way, and then expect them to be miserable their whole life by pretending to be something they are not? I think a god would realise that, and thats one of many reasons I think the bible is full of crap. And if it really did that, its a pretty cruel joke, and another reason to think god is sadistic, and not someone I would want to hang out with for eternity. I'd rather get pissed every night in hell with the devil. Same with advocating slavery and war. The religious books were clearly written based on the personal opinions of the people who wrote them, who's opinions would have been formed by the way society was at the time. I'm sure they had good intentions and just wanted to scare people into being good for the sake of society. But the fact of the matter is that most of the advice is irrelevant in our modern society.
Here are a few examples.

I really believe that IF there is a heaven, I will get into it whether I believe in god or not. In fact, maybe I'm even more like to get into heaven, because I'm being good simply because I know its the right thing to do and I like making people happy. If you are only being good because you are scared of going to hell, then you are doing it because you think you will gain from it, and thats not the right reason.

I'm sure this has been posted many times in this thread already, but I don't want to read all 147 pages to check, so I'll post it again just in case:
Watch this.

 

[Prosthetic]

How can one claim that there is only one god, if other religions believe in "another" god?

How can someone believe in god if others don't?

 

[Villain]

How can someone believe in god if others don't?

How can someone believe in God without any evidence?

 

[TT3AZ]

How can someone believe in God without any evidence?

Evidence? You mean physical evidence, like scientific. Huh, everything isnt revealed yet, and new things are beeing discovered all the time. Science are just theories to explain things, and science cant explain everything. Some things are far to complicated and deep to understand right away.

If you are not into this religious things, forget to understand anything about spiritual stuff. How can one see, when he doesnt want to open his eyes?

Like jesus did, he brought back dead to life. Maybe it was a cheap trick, but he wanted to show people that, if they are open minded and if they want to believe, they will do it. The human earth has had thousands of holy prophets thru all the time, and if people havent followed them, then they have to blaim them selves. How can one search for evidence, when he doesnt know what hes searching for?

 

[TT3AZ]

I really believe that IF there is a heaven, I will get into it whether I believe in god or not. In fact, maybe I'm even more like to get into heaven, because I'm being good simply because I know its the right thing to do and I like making people happy. If you are only being good because you are scared of going to hell, then you are doing it because you think you will gain from it, and thats not the right reason.

Well, to enter the heaven you must believe in god, because hes made heaven and hell, right. You cant believe in heaven without believe in god. Its a paradox.

Second, beeing good is hard to define, and according to the holy books, beeing good is to follow the scriptures, even if they seem to be quite extreme according to modern society. If you are beeing good, and follow the religions, you dont have to worry about hell. But if you are uncertain about good, you will enter hell because you are a unbeliever...something like that according to the abrahamitic religions.

Im not saying the abrahamitic religions is 100% correct, but they some how make sence if you look at the big picture.

 

[Midnight Snacks]

I BELIEVE IN A FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER THAT WILL COME AND SAVE ME FROM THE DEPTHS OF TERRIBLE PASTA


or something.

 

[Mattv81]

Well, to enter the heaven you must believe in god, because hes made heaven and hell, right. You cant believe in heaven without believe in god. Its a paradox.

Second, beeing good is hard to define, and according to the holy books, beeing good is to follow the scriptures, even if they seem to be quite extreme according to modern society. If you are beeing good, and follow the religions, you dont have to worry about hell. But if you are uncertain about good, you will enter hell because you are a unbeliever...something like that according to the abrahamitic religions.

Im not saying the abrahamitic religions is 100% correct, but they some how make sence if you look at the big picture.

Well, personally, I don't believe that. I don't believe that I would go to hell for not believing in god for the reasons I said earlier. I really believe I would get into heaven as long as I try my best to be as good as I can be. But hey, I could be wrong. But I'm so confident that I'm prepared to take the risk.
Watch this. Just watch this for at least 10 minutes and if you don't find it interesting then turn it off. I just want to know your opinion on it.

 

[TT3AZ]

Well, personally, I don't believe that. I don't believe that I would go to hell for not believing in god for the reasons I said earlier. I really believe I would get into heaven as long as I try my best to be as good as I can be. But hey, I could be wrong. But I'm so confident that I'm prepared to take the risk.
Watch this. Just watch this for at least 10 minutes and if you don't find it interesting then turn it off. I just want to know your opinion on it.

I dont need this stuff from anti religious groups.

 

[Mattv81]

I dont need this stuff from anti religious groups.

So you're not even prepared to watch it? What are you afraid of if your faith is as stong as you think it is?

 

[Prosthetic]

If you are not into this religious things, forget to understand anything about spiritual stuff. How can one see, when he doesnt want to open his eyes?

You are assuming that all disbelievers were never believers.


My eyes are open, you just have to prove that said deity exist.


@ Villain Because they were told too.

 

[TT3AZ]

So you're not even prepared to watch it? What are you afraid of if your faith is as stong as you think it is?

No certanly not, but i dont waste my time on those things, because they havent opened their eyes yet.

 

[dylansan]

Evidence? You mean physical evidence, like scientific. Huh, everything isnt revealed yet, and new things are beeing discovered all the time. Science are just theories to explain things, and science cant explain everything. Some things are far to complicated and deep to understand right away.

Science can't explain everything? How do you know? How do you know what is too complicated for science to eventually understand? Or is it just a hunch?

If you are not into this religious things, forget to understand anything about spiritual stuff. How can one see, when he doesnt want to open his eyes?

Good question. But unfortunately many will rightfully argue that it is you whose eyes are closed. Except instead of saying "forget trying to understand", we'll actually try to give you some information that could change your understanding. And if it doesn't, what's the harm in at least seeking the information? You seem to think atheists don't understand spirituality, but they probably have more information than the average religious person. Disagree? Then how about providing some actual information, hmm?

Like jesus did, he brought back dead to life. Maybe it was a cheap trick, but he wanted to show people that, if they are open minded and if they want to believe, they will do it. The human earth has had thousands of holy prophets thru all the time, and if people havent followed them, then they have to blaim them selves. How can one search for evidence, when he doesnt know what hes searching for?

Unicorns exist. If you were open minded, and wanted to believe, you would accept that as truth. If you don't believe me, you can only blame yourself for an eternity in Unicorn-hell.

Well, to enter the heaven you must believe in god, because hes made heaven and hell, right. You cant believe in heaven without believe in god. Its a paradox.

That's not what a paradox is...

Second, beeing good is hard to define, and according to the holy books, beeing good is to follow the scriptures, even if they seem to be quite extreme according to modern society. If you are beeing good, and follow the religions, you dont have to worry about hell. But if you are uncertain about good, you will enter hell because you are a unbeliever.

So I assume you follow the scriptures 100 percent, stoning people on a daily basis and such?

..something like that according to the abrahamitic religions.

Actually, you seem to be "uncertain" about what religion considers good. Guess you're off to hell then.

Im not saying the abrahamitic religions is 100% correct, but they some how make sence if you look at the big picture.

Somehow? You don't seem to understand them at all, and yet you say they make sense? I think you need to "open your eyes" and start looking at religion more critically. Instead of pretending the faults all make sense in the "big picture", understand that the faults are pretty big, and ignoring them takes quite thick eyelids.

 

[Mattv81]

You are assuming that all disbelievers were never believers.


My eyes are open, you just have to prove that said deity exist.


@ Villain Because they were told too.

Yeah, I was a christian until i was about 13. But you have to be pretty closed minded to keep believing all this stuff when you look at it rationally. And I guess thats evident by the fact that this guy wont even watch the link I just gave him.

 

[TT3AZ]

You are assuming that all disbelievers were never believers.


My eyes are open, you just have to prove that said deity exist.


@ Villain Because they were told too.

I dont have to prove anything, read the bible, quran, torah, or what ever, then chouse what you want to believe in, the call is yours...

 

[Mattv81]

No certanly not, but i dont waste my time on those things, because they havent opened their eyes yet.

ROFL!!! Okay mate, whatever you say. How do you know they haven't opened their eyes yet if you haven't watched it. You've got it completely round the wrong way. I used to be a Christian, as I just said. So I've seen and heard both sides of the story. You haven't. So it's pretty much impossible to have a rational debate with you.

 

[TT3AZ]

"So I assume you follow the scriptures 100 percent, stoning people on a daily basis and such?"

Oboy really classic comment, well according to the 10 comandments, if some one does a crime, they should be punished.

Im not religious, but i do defend the religions. Who says they are wrong, and what evidence do you have that they are wrong? Well, well, we will all see in the life hereafter As jesus said " I am the truth, stay with me and you will never be hungry again".