Do You Consider Yourself a Good Driver?

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Do you consider yourself a good driver


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Okay this can be taken many ways. As a driver I feel I am very good, I feel i command complete control of my car and i have a good feel for the limits of my car, the road and different environments and road conditions. Never have i had an accident or lost control of my car by accident (on purpose i have to learn more about driving in parking lots in different weather). When i drive i keep all of these things in mind. I keep attentive and avoid accidents. I keep all assists off at all times and always have. I can control a 400hp camaro while sliding sideways, I can heel toe, rev-match, clutchless shift andall that jazz. But I am also 19 and have only had 3 years of legal driving experience and i know there is much more to learn, and i am looking forward to every second of it.

On the other hand by law I am a bad driver by law. I speed, txt, drink (not alcohol), I weave in and out of lanes, and occasionally race. People call this a bad driver because i disrespect other drivers, i do not disagree with them.

It goes both ways, everyone i drive with has complimented my driving because im smooth and have complete control of whatever vehicle i am driving at all times. Even though, for example, the lady down the street who yells at me as i whiz past her house deosnt like my driving.
 
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Well, it seems like you kinda put me out of context in a way. A guy was saying that "ALL 16 year olds are bad/crazy drivers". I dislike people stereotyping people. That is the kind of reasons people jack up insurance on younger people. I am also a safe driver, which is just as important. i am offended by people saying "ALL 16 year old drivers are bad drivers".

One of the main things about driving is having a cool head, being aware of your environment and quickly adapting to scenarios. I always drive the limit, signal when changing lanes, and never do anything to jeapordize myself or the people around me.

All new drivers, in America at least, are bad though because you are inexperienced. It's not saying you will always be awful but the driver's training here is horrid and when you get your license there is quite a bit you do not know.

There is no stereotyping here either, it's looking at statistics and facts. New drivers have accidents and mishaps because they haven't been driving long enough to know how to cope with situations correctly. And while you might not necessarily cause the accident, you will probably be involved in it due to this inexperience.

You'll never convince those of us who have been driving for a while that a 16 year old can be a good driver because we were all there at one point in time and we all learned from our mistakes.

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With all of that said I've had my fair share of bone headed mistakes on the road and I've always learned from them. I would consider myself to be a decent driver, sure I still have lapses in judgement but don't we all? I wouldn't classify myself as a good driver though because I've only ever had the most basic training. I think if I had an advance driving course (not some weekend fantasy racing school) I'd be better and maybe one day I can take some sort of class.

** Oh that poor 510, I feel bad for it.
 
Who actually learns from those stupid driving training courses? My parents taught me... Learning from someone who has been driving for 50 years > some government person.
 
I feel bad for it also.... the previous owner did quite a number to it. My dad and i have been trying to bring it back to its "original glory", but he got laid off in may, and we havent had the money to do too much to it. My dad just got a job this month, so we will be able to start undoing the "rat rodding" the previous owner did to it.

Here are some pictures of my dad's 510:

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This is the closest 510 ive seen to bone stock... It was in a barn for ten years and has some probs though. I havent been able to drive it yet since the brakes lock up often and i know i would most likely crash the car because of the lack of experience i have.
 
Who actually learns from those stupid driving training courses? My parents taught me... Learning from someone who has been driving for 50 years > some government person.

My parents taught me most of the stuff also. The sad thing is that neither my parents OR my drivers training teacher talked about the importance of complete stops in the drivers test so i got six errors, 5 because of the no complete stop thing, and one because the examiner was looking out a window when i was looking to change lanes and she marked me down...
 
Who actually learns from those stupid driving training courses? My parents taught me... Learning from someone who has been driving for 50 years > some government person.

Beats me, during my training I drove my instructor around to do his errands. I was also partnered with a girl who though putting the car in P was for passing and another girl who thought when she went for a turn she had to crank the wheel all the way to full lock. Basically all I learned was how to efficiently do a loop to get errands done and to never, ever trust a 15 year old girl behind the wheel of a Pontiac Aztek.

I really want to get out and learn advance driving techniques. Spend time on a skid pad and learn evasive manoeuvres in case something unexpected happens. I know all the training in the world isn't going to to prevent all incidences but it will sure help out. I know my insurance company offers one and it lower your rates if you take it. I think I might investigate that for next summer.

My parents did teach me quite a bit though. I got my permit shortly after I turned 15 and they made me drive everywhere in our PT Cruiser. My dad would make me go out in really bad snow storms too and had me drive for hours and hours just so I could learn what to do. I'm pretty grateful for it to be honest.
 
the driver's training here is horrid
Truth. Driver's Ed is a joke. They only focus on teaching the rules of the road, most of which are obvious, and the rest of which are useless. Most everything I learned about actually driving, I learned from watching my dad over the years, and his lessons when I got my learner's permit. Driver's Ed was an unpleasant nuisance in the way of getting my license. I truly believe that I learned nothing there.
 
Truth. Driver's Ed is a joke. They only focus on teaching the rules of the road, most of which are obvious, and the rest of which are useless. Most everything I learned about actually driving, I learned from watching my dad over the years, and his lessons when I got my learner's permit. Driver's Ed was an unpleasant nuisance in the way of getting my license. I truly believe that I learned nothing there.

This.

I didn't get my license until I was 18.. I never took any kind of class.. My dad took me out to watershed to learn.. Basically it was a parking lot and some ranger only roads.. My dad has been working for the Marin Water District for longer then I've been alive so he has access to all these roads and is friends with all the rangers so they didn't care at all... Going up and down 1.5 lane roads with no guard rail and passing traffic is how I learned.. Aced the permit test with only giving the rules of the road pamphlet a quick browse... Then I had to wait a million months because the California DMV system is a complete mess so you have to wait a million years to get a test. Passed it the first time thank god...

Haven't hit anything.. I've had a couple close calls one involves a deer suddenly jumping onto the road while I was doing 45 in one of the many rural valley roads we have here. I get cut off a million times a day and seriously am surprised that I have yet to been hit by all the mental drivers here.

Specially from 12-3PM during the week when all the old rich snobs going to the country club. They cut you off... then they go 15mph in a 25...

I wish the tests to get a permit and/or license were a bit harder,
 
Or try Florida in a torrential downpour and high winds from a tropical storm.

Thank you. I experienced this type of rain with the Barracuda. No electronic assistance, wipers that don't go as fast as they should, crappy tires, and no vision, all while going 50mph on a road (essentially a highway) with cars surrounding me and a dumptruck behind me, now that's a barrel of fun. It was almost to the point where I could just barely see the light from the the tailights up ahead of me, and the best part was a few 100ft before it wasn't raining at all, talk about adapting quickly.

Would I say I'm a good driver, no I'm terrible. I speed constantly, I've almost moved into the other lane with a car there at least three times, and I ride people's asses if they aren't going fast enough. No tickets other than a warning for a tag light out on the Barracuda though. It feels like I've been driving forever but I've only been driving since about the beginning of this year.
 
Am I a good driver? Hell, yes. But this "good" is a very loose definition, isn't it?

I'm usually very courteous, and generous on the road. So safe that I've hit things with my car just handful of times, and when I have, due to either the objects I hit(curb, etc.), or speed I was driving, there were little to no damage.

However, I am not even close to being a perfect driver. Also, I can drive very fast on streets, and very safely. Which also means that I drive too fast sometimes(understatement), and my driving skills are nowhere near that of average race car drivers.

I think we all have very different definition of "good" in the good driver. If you are fast, safe, have decent(not average) driving skills, courteous manner, you are a good driver in my book. ;)
 
I didn't participate in the original discussion but I'll throw my 2 cents in.

I am male and 30 years old. I consider myself a good driver, a safe driver (when I want to be) and a defensive driver when I need to be.

When I was 18 I took car control courses.
I learned how to drive on sports cars.
I earned my driving license at the age of 18.
I've owned vehicles with no electronic assists (ABS, TCS, ESP) other than power steering.
I've driven a 1st gen MR2 in the pouring rain repeatedly (no electronic assists at all!).
I've driven a vehicle on the street with an excess of 700bhp (heavily modified SVT Cobra).
I can safely navigate any vehicle in any condition.
I can powerslide and drift if I want to.
I DO drive very "spiritedly", aka aggressively like any male under 50.

Yet having said all that my insurance for full coverage for everything on my SVT Focus and Chrysler minivan is $52.50 per month. Only 1 ticket in 9 years and no at fault accidents in 9 years as well. But my low insurance rate and good driving record came with experience and maturity. When I was 18-23 I drove like a race car driver on the street everyday and had the tickets to prove it. While "growing up" and aging I learned that driving is a privilege that you should take seriously--but not so seriously that you miss out on the art of driving. I know when to have some fun and when not to. I don't street race, I do however briskly accelerate occasionally when the situation permits (aka driving on a motorway on ramp).

I know plenty of 50+ yearold drivers that are rubbish and a few 20-something drivers that aren't. Age mostly doesn't matter once you've got at least 5 years experience driving. However, I still maintain the opinion that no 16-20 yearold driver is ever a "good" driver due to lack of experience and maturity level. Doesn't matter if said 16 yearold is driving a Toyota Corolla or a Ford Mustang GT--lack of skill, experience and adult maturity dictates that they cannot be a "good" driver. They may feel they drive safe--and they may do--but there is a reason why young people have the highest insurance rates and accidents/tickets versus the rest of the population. Those of you who are under 21 don't take my comments and opinion as derogatory because it is not meant to be, I'm simply echoing the facts in the US for people under the age of 21.
 
Agreed on experience. Experience definitely makes you a better driver. Also, way I see it, all good drivers are defensive drivers. Very rarely I trust people around me on the road, in or out of cars.
 
When I think of a good driver, I think of famous race car drivers. Schumacher, Aryton Senna, Keichii Tsuchiya, Colin McRae, ect.

That's why even though I am capable of controlling a car more effectively than the average driver, I don't consider myself nearly a good driver.

Which actually causes confusion sometimes because I'll say things like that (me not being a good driver) and people tend to apply it to their everyday average driver and assume I'm even worse than that.

EDIT: Although I completely disagree that someone under 20 can't be a good driver. What about the driver for the Red Bull F1 team?

Also, a lot of people assume that people who go to tracks a lot are good drivers, and after being there and watching literally hundreds of online videos, unless they are some kind of famous race car driver, they actually tend to be quite average, frequently with bad driving habits like shuffling the steering wheel and not knowing how to perform basic things like heel-toe downshifts.
 
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At 17 years old, I know that I'm a better driver than many of my peers, but that's saying very little for the reasons mentioned above - drivers' training in the US is abysmal. I attended an independent driving school because my high school doesn't have drivers' education, and they didn't even teach the rules of the road. :boggled: I honestly can't fathom how we spent the thirty-two hours of education that our state mandates, but to be honest, even if the class had covered useful material, nobody would have been paying attention anyway and there would have been no use. We actually spent quite a bit of the class time copying down the questions and their answers that were to appear, verbatim, on the three written tests that we were required to take. Furthermore, the only supervised driving on the street was four one-hour sessions, and the test itself was some simple maneuvering through cones. Predictably, even grossly incompetent drivers were given a passing grade. :rolleyes:

I do all of the things that I'm obviously supposed to do, such as signaling, checking mirrors often, stopping fully for stop signs, and stopping and accelerating at a moderate rate, and I never do the things that I shouldn't do, such as tailgating, speeding, accelerating at yellow lights, turning frustration with other drivers into aggression, texting, talking on the cellphone, or adjusting the radio. But I often don't look carefully enough for pedestrians and cyclists (a very common problem, according to my mom, who bikes to and from work) and am insufficiently attentive to the position of my car relative to others and to the behavior of drivers around me. So although I am able to operate a car perfectly and obey all of the rules of the road, I'm still quite likely to get in an accident (more so than the average driver), but I'm pretty sure that the chances of that are lower than are those for the average, oblivious, eating, texting, makeup-applying 17-year-old.
 
I believe I'm a competent driver.
By definition of the law, however, I may not be.

I've been driving for just shy of five years. I've logged an estimated 140,000km in that time
I've had no accidents. I've had two speeding tickets, courtesy of speed traps. I've modified my driving behavior slightly since, not out of respect of speed limits, but out of fear of the police. I abide by the '10 over' rule.

As a regular autocrosser, I feel that my car control abilities are significantly greater than the average driver. I can threshold brake, correct a skid, and keep a minimum of bad habits... I will admit to answering the phone occasionally when sitting in traffic or alone on the road, but I won't text until I'm off the road. I try not to drive if I'm overtired, but it has happened in the past and will eventually occur again.

I'm experienced on all types of road surfaces - Pavement, gravel, and ice. Dry and wet.

My attitude towards driving is courteous, if short tempered. I do get angry and red faced behind the wheel, but I'm far too polite to cut people off and too smart to tailgate.


Obviously, I believe I'm a good driver. I have the skills and abilities to drive well, the attitude to drive safely, and enough experience to anticipate the road ahead. On two and four wheels.
 
Sure - everyone thinks that he is a good driver.
It's a typical male trait.
I've been driving 40 years, and I have more than a million miles under my wheels.
That doesn't make me a good driver though.
I have speeding tickets. I've had a few shunts.
The speeding tickets have made me more speed conscious, and the shunts have taught me lessons. It's called experience.
The challenge I have now is to maintain my standard of driving, as age takes it's inevitable toll on senses and reactions.
I think it's fairly safe to say that no teenager can be considered a good driver - it takes some years to know when to back off the throttle. I was 17 when I passed my test at the first attempt. I was King of the Road. I was Graham Hill.
I lasted 10 days before I hit that lamp-post :lol:
There's one thing I'd like to throw into this discussion:
I also have almost 30 years riding motorcycles. I honestly believe that experience on 2 wheels has made me a better driver on 4 wheels.
To survive on a bike, on modern roads, is dependant on a higher level of 360 degree spacial awareness. And that's a good tool to have. 👍
 
I heard from someone that ninety percent of people think that they are above average at driving. That may be exaggerated, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true for males. Certainly, it's much easier to see the flaws in the driving of someone else because you aren't observing yourself from an external vantage point, and the way you drive - which you always either justify as reasonable or don't think about consciously in the first place - is highly dependent on your mood.
 
Where to start...

My driving career has had good and bad periods...

I've made heavy contact with other vehicles on two occasions...

One guy was stopped in the road for some reason, everyone stayed at the 55 limit and just waited 'till the last minute to go around him, whatever lack of attention I was suffering caused me to not miss him, but oddly enough, I made it around him, not even scratching his truck, yet tore the drivers side nose off of mine as it dove underneath the outside 4 inches of his bumper. So I suppose I have a good reaction time, and good enough car control because he was unscathed. So much so he decided he better leave, which left the Police questioning me as to why he left. He eventually came back after he dropped off his drugs and got a nice talking to for leaving the scene. I was not ticketed in any way, nor did I have any repercussions for it, only a totaled 500$ work truck, which I suppose is not that bad, could have been worse, thank god it was not, though it was about the worst day I can remember having, I was in the hospital all night with IV fluids and all kinds of tests, while in the same hospital my grandfather died before I was released. I don't necessarily want to use that as an excuse, but I should not have been driving due to my mind being somewhere else completely, otherwise, I may have noticed the stopped truck much sooner. My fault...

Number two...
I was driving home to hook the boat up to the new truck, this was four months later. I was making a left hand turn through an intersection, with a green arrow signal, which means good to go.
Just as I make my turn, a blur and then the loudest noise I've ever heard, or maybe it was just a hard impact, who knows. This trucks drivers nose had been torn off as well. Out of towners in a large sedan, which I didn't see, even though I looked before making the turn regardless of signal were well over the speed limit and we collided as the went through the intersection. Perhaps they had just got a green light and didn't slow down? Maybe I didn't see something I should have? There were other cars stopped at the same intersection, but their far lane was clear, however I could not see through the cars on their far lane, so I never saw them before the bang. No one was hurt, their car was, but thankfully no one else. Aside from my face due to the airbag... My fault? More than likely, I could not see them, but I guess I should have. It was at a newly rebuilt intersection, with fast changing turn signals, which I should have had in mind as well, but I was thinking about fishing, not the light which lasts 15 seconds... I was ticketed this time, failure to yield, fair enough I suppose, truck two out in less than six months. That was my only time being ticketed to date, knock on wood. I was one of the 10+ accidents at that intersection that month, safe to say the signals time between changed has increased, the yellow arrow will actually stay lit longer than a drag race Christmas tree.

That's the worst of it though, not to say it's good. But I only feel one incident was honestly avoidable, and that was the first. Which oddly enough I should have been labeled at fault for, I did technically rear end the other truck, but it was un-damaged down to the taillight and paint on the back bumper. I'm still unsure of the second incident because, really, if he was doing the speed limit, we would not have met, I would have made my turn on the arrow, picked up my boat and been on the water fishing.

For the most part though, I'm a safe driver, I rarely ride above 5 over, even on open highways. I have a lot of miles logged. Snowy Appalachian mountains on regular all season tires from Florida (Didn't expect snow), Summertime monsoons with highway traffic. Pulling heavily loaded trailers down I-4 in Orlando, with lot's of traffic. When I used to do marine construction, I'm sure I regularly pulled massive loads of lumber and 30ft pilings, concrete bulkhead panels weighing many thousands of pounds. I've spent countless hours off road, sliding, on road in wet parking lots doing the same. I feel I have good car control as I've said before. I do however feel that I'm not good enough at predicting what people are going to do, around here, I think it's next to impossible, people honestly drive like it's the Daytona 500, I'm surprised we don't have more "Big ones" on some of our main roads. I've driven many vehicles from horrid work trucks with nearly 90* of play in the wheel and instantly locking brakes, to turbocharged performance cars. You just keep learning new things.

But I actually think much of my problem with attentiveness on the road would stem from my way overly spirited driving off road or in unincorporated, basically deserted parts of town. If I was racing through the woods offroad on one of my many home built rally cross tracks, I felt good as gold, could not have been paying more attention. I feel like I lost interest in my road driving because it became boring, I was no longer doing 60-80mph in the dirt, sliding between palmetto trees like they were cones, but I was going with the flow of traffic. That was something I NEVER would do before I found driving off road, with nothing to hit. I would normally make my own pace and let everyone else have their way. I don't know, it's a theory. I no longer make trips out into the woods, and after the massive wake up calls, I don't seem to have a problem anymore with attentiveness.

So enough of my driving autobiography... I feel I'm a safe driver, not really a good one, but better than most of those around me at most any given time, it's rare to see any courtesy around where I live, so it's welcomed when it's given back, which is rare. I have plenty of room for improvement, I know I've done much worse than some, but still much better than others. Oh well, you make mistakes and you learn from them, that's all you can do. Oh, and pay attention more of course, which is a strategy I've heavily employed since incident two, almost three years ago.

Please don't crucify me for admitting to my somewhat tarnished driving career. :guilty:
 
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A guy was saying that "ALL 16 year olds are bad/crazy drivers". I dislike people stereotyping people. That is the kind of reasons people jack up insurance on younger people.

Err, no. The reason car insurance costs more for younger drivers is because younger drivers are not only involved in but cause more crashes than almost any other demographic - young males specifically more than any other - with a higher rate of injury and death. It's not "jacked up" because people think young drivers are bad drivers, it's the price it is because actuarial data says that they are. A male under 21 is more likely to cause a crash every mile he drives than anyone else.


To answer the question, I think I am an acceptable driver, but I'm a better driver today than I was yesterday. "Good" isn't measured by how fast you can get from A to B or even car control - so the example of Jaime Alguersuari being a "good" young driver simply because he's an F1 driver isn't valid. I'd say it was more whether you can get from A to B without, by your actions, inconveniencing other drivers or requiring them to take action (there's always people who will inconvenience themselves through no fault of yours because they are dreadful drivers) - and being able to do the same in any conditions. Whether people will get into a car you're driving for a second time is a good indicator. Whether they will allow you - or even ask you - to drive their own car is another one

However, it's important to recognise that everyone makes mistakes, even good drivers. Better drivers don't make the same one twice.
 
As others have mentioned, "good" is a very loose definition. I'm not "good" in the way Sebastian Loeb, Michael Schumacher, Valentino Rossi, Yvan Muller, Tom Kristensen and numerous other multiple world champions in their given motor racing discipline are, but then these people have skills greater than 99.9% of the population have, so short of the racing drivers I've met briefly who've beaten them on track, I'll probably never know anyone that "good".

But, I consider myself a good driver in a more watered-down definition. I've never caused or been involved in an accident (I don't count someone reversing into me in traffic as my fault...). I've managed to avoid a fair few near-misses caused by other people. I can drive safely in all conditions, be it snow, rain, ice, a perfectly sunny day, or thick fog as I experienced on a two hour drive home last night, where visibility was no greater than three car lengths in some places.

I can even parallel park fairly well, and I have good spacial awareness so can sneak my car through pretty narrow gaps without doing it any damage. I'm also mechanically sympathetic - I let my car warm up before giving it beans, I operate the controls smoothly... and I do my best to be courteous.

On a track? I'm quick, and have decent car control, but I've only ever driven in isolation on a track. A race could be very different.

I'd say all of the above adds up to "good", but I'm aware that I'm not even slightly the best driver on this forum, let alone on the roads. And I'm certainly not perfect. I do speed sometimes, I do tailgate very occasionally, and I get impatient with other drivers fairly often. I have made a few silly mistakes when I was younger like bumping curbs. And I've only been driving for about seven years, so I still have a lot to learn.

Good? Yes. Great? No.

Incidentally, there's only one of my friends who I've passengered before and been genuinely impressed by the way they drove. That's not to say that my other friends are rubbish, but you tend to notice when someone's driving stands out. The best thing about this friend? She's a she. Drives a little Fiat Seicento Sporting, and it was really quite a good journey.
 
I agree with this statement to a point, but a lot of people with that attitude make terrible judgment calls about what constitutes "endangering others".

My mantra is this: a good driver never makes their passengers nervous. By this measure alone, I can count on two hands the people I know who I consider to be "good" drivers.

Yeah true most people I know would figure it out. And on your statement both my friend and I get nervous when my GF is driving yet she has a "clean" record :P
 
well theres obviously a difference between being a good driver on a race track and a good driver on the roads.

its down to people's abilities. e.g. a formula 1 driver like lewis hamilton can drive on normal roads 30-60 mph above the speed limit quite comfortably and quite safety actually, because his braking points and turning points and understanding of speed will allow him to have better judgement and better decisions on the road.

good driver on the road is about sticking to the speed limit lol, and indicating etc, never crashing. i think i can apply that to myself, i dont always do everything right, but i can do most things right 'if i have to'...

good racing driver?, i think me is not one. because yeah i can driver 200mph down the nurburgring on a game, but in real life i know i wouldnt have the balls to. and f1 as well, some people think because they can do decent lap times on games, they can do it for real, but most likely that person wont be able to because there are many more factors to consider like g force and the physical aspects of bein in a car.

so yes, id say im a decent driver on the road. i passed 1st time, my 1st lesson was the day i got my provisional license, and i passed my theory 2 weeks later, and my test 2.5 months later. exactly 3 months. my instructer did say i was one of the most confident drivers hes ever come across...
 

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