do you think CR informative or garbage?If so why?

[askia47]

Actually neon duke, if eliminating the japanese vs. american thing C/D is very biased as they always go for the faster, more agile car. For example in the most recent issue of C/D the have a sedan comparo and the top 4 car consist of:
4: Toyota Camry
3: Forgot. srry
2: Mazda 6
1: Honda accord

In fact this applies to other sedan comparos done by C/D as well as the Honda accord also won those comparos. Any way, would you argue that in 2001 the Camry was not the best selling sedan in america? not really because it was posted every where. according to other sources including the CR you hate so much, the camry was more refined than the accord, yet C/D really put the accord in front because of it's sporty- ness and agility. A piece of evidence that C/D is biased.

CR
First of all, duke did they turn on their own numbers or did they say it had a better ride? this may have changed the rating. To say CR is a totally biased company would be stupid especially because they are not only on the Japanese side. They get their reliability stats from the consumers themselves! Also in 2001( not sure about now) the top sedan vehicle was a Passat, in the V6 sedan sector the top car was a hyndai.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by askia47
Actually neon duke, if eliminating the japanese vs. american thing C/D is very biased as they always go for the faster, more agile car. For example in the most recent issue of C/D the have a sedan comparo and the top 4 car consist of:
4: Toyota Camry
3: Forgot. srry
2: Mazda 6
1: Honda accord

In fact this applies to other sedan comparos done by C/D as well as the Honda accord also won those comparos.

Perhaps they state the reason the Accord won the comparison. Your above snippet is so vague and devoid of meaning, I won't dive into it further.

Any way, would you argue that in 2001 the Camry was not the best selling sedan in america? not really because it was posted every where.

Dude, this above is stupid. First off, the Camry was not the top-selling sedan in America in 2001, it was the Honda Accord. This applies when deleting profitless fleet sales. Second, we are arguing AUTOMOTIVE MERITS based on Consumer Reports' biases, not statistics and figures of sales. If you don't understand that point, then we shouldn't have begun this discussion in the first place because you're too inept to continue it.

according to other sources including the CR you hate so much, the camry was more refined than the accord, yet C/D really put the accord in front because of it's sporty- ness and agility. A piece of evidence that C/D is biased.

Uh, isn't agility a reason to buy a car? Bias is unsubstantiated preference for one thing. Reasons are decision-making tools. The line isn't fine, it's extremely coarse and easy to see.

They get their reliability stats from the consumers themselves!

Who analyses their stats?

Also in 2001( not sure about now) the top sedan vehicle was a Passat, in the V6 sedan sector the top car was a hyndai.

That's because the Passat got a makeover in 2001, and the other cars were starting to get dated. Today, the number one car is once again the Camry - by three points - over the Passat. By the way: Hyundai, Toyota, Volkswagen: Are they American companies?

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by The Vanishing Boy
Magazines that I trust the most:
#1 Consumer Reports
#2 Car and Driver
#3 Edmunds
#4 Autoweek
#5 Consumer Guide
#6 Motorweek
#7 The Car Connection
#8 Consumer Digest
#9 Carpoint
#10 Newspapers: Wall Street Journal, NY Times & USA Today

I have to say, without doubt, this is like listing the members of the Oscar comittee. None of them are car enthusiasts, nor are they actually doing any real reviews of the cars.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

About the #3 in the Car and Driver comparison:
Volkswagen Passat 1.8T

Heres what I hate about other magazines:
Glitz- Whatever is a show stopper in a certain auto show (in any place) it would likely be in the headlines. Like the most recent issue of some magazine (like Motortrend, Automobile, Hotrod, Autoweek and Road & Track), what they have is all those stupid Mustang GT concept on the covers w/c makes me sick.
Glamour-When the Mercedes-based Maybach Ultra-luxury production vehicle came out on the presses, not much attension was bought (except in Europe). But when a car that is not going/future production vehicles shows up like the nonsense Cadillac Sixteen or the idiotic Pontiac Solstice, every body is going crazy about those cars and leaving some of the more practical/functional cars behind (Honda Element, Chrysler Pasifica, Subaru Forester and Scion xB).
Horsepower-Motortrend is the only magazine that abuses this category. Whenever a car that has the biggest displacement, highest horsepower, or gobbles the most gas per gallon, has the longest, juiciest, and the most interesting article of the current months issue. Comparison tests in this magazine is the worst (Car and Driver is the best).

CR may be not the best in comparison testing, but it doesn't has all the crap that Motortrend has.