Do You Think December 21 2012 is The End Of The World?

[Rocker]

Seeing as how Bush helped drive up the debt by $5 trillion dollars not to mention a large part of the mess we are in now, I guess you've had all the preparation you need... and extremely thankful that reign of uncontrolled Government spending and most importantly grotesque mismanagement is over!

So sure about that are we?

 

[BobK]

Grr, not showing up.

 

[Jarnac]

You make it sound as if the Mayan's were some how an inferior culture.

One must suppose that you are being sarcastic, that isn't at all what I said.

 

[Tornado]

The would may end on April 12 2029, thanks to the 99942 Apophis Metor.

Its predicted path.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis

We got nearly 20 years to train Bruce Willis to go blow it up.

 

[Joey D]

One must suppose that you are being sarcastic, that isn't at all what I said.

Not being sarcastic at all, I'm merely looking at what you said. You did make it sound like you thought the Mayan's were some how an inferior culture.

And even then the Mayan's never said the world was going to end in 2012, so the stone age, human sacrificing, idolist's world wasn't going to end afterall.

 

[Dennisch]

I wonder how many idiots will go nuts on the evening of the 20th of december.
I'm gonna get my camera out that day, and laugh my ass off.


And, the inevitable "We calculated it wrong cries".

 

[Joey D]

I wonder how many idiots will go nuts on the evening of the 20th of december.
I'm gonna get my camera out that day, and laugh my ass off.


And, the inevitable "We calculated it wrong cries".

I'm not point you out here, just expanding on a point.

It's not so much we calculated wrong, as some just left out a part of the calendar completely. The date stops at the B’ak’tun, which is several units short of a full date. Saying the Mayan calendar is predicting the end of the world is like saying this coming Friday is predicting the end of the world. It makes no sense.

Going by the best guess we have based on Mayan research the calendar will "end" in the year 4772. However if you put it in theoretical terms based on units we think might be there you come up with a date 41,341,049,999,999,999,999,999,994,879 years in the future.

I seriously just want to go up to all these "experts" on the subject and go "Archaeology mother 🤬! Did you study it?!"

 

[Dennisch]

Yeah, I know how it works.

But I always keep it simple. I tell people : Look at the calender, what shape is it?

A circle! No begin. No end. Simple.

 

[Slash]

It ain't going to happen, you can't tell when it would happen. Can happen 20 minutes from now for all you know. Whenever it happens, it happens. No point in getting worked up over a date.

 

[sumbrownkid]

So sure about that are we?

I think Bush's war in Iraq has a lot more implications to our economy than what Obama has done.

 

[CMvan46]

I wonder how many idiots will go nuts on the evening of the 20th of december.
I'm gonna get my camera out that day, and laugh my ass off.

And, the inevitable "We calculated it wrong cries".

Like the women who donated everything she owned to her church during the last "end of the world" episode and then asked for it back and they didn't? Haha!

This stuff is such crap it's rediculous.

 

[CSLACR]

I find all of it very much on par to the Christians recently scheduling the "rapture".

As long as humans are alive, there will be theories for how the world is going to end very soon, always have been, always will.

 

[Jarnac]

Not being sarcastic at all, I'm merely looking at what you said. You did make it sound like you thought the Mayan's were some how an inferior culture.

And even then the Mayan's never said the world was going to end in 2012, so the stone age, human sacrificing, idolist's world wasn't going to end afterall.

I consider your comments to be impertinent, to say the least. You may have interpreted what I wrote as a negative appraisal of the Mayan culture, though actually I did not mention the Mayans in any way - we all know the OP is generally regarding the soon to end Mesoamerican long count calendar, which the Mayans were known to use.

 

[Famine]

we all know the OP is generally regarding the soon to end Mesoamerican long count calendar

There isn't one. This has been pointed out a few times in this thread:

No since the Mayan calendar isn't ending in 2012, is doesn't end for another 41,341,049,999,999,999,999,999,994,879 years.

Even if you ignore the fact that the Mayan calendar isn't ending - it's rolling over from 12.19.19.17.19 to 13.0.0.0.0 and has lots of mileage thereafter as Joey points out

The idea that it's coming to an end has long since been debunked. Even the usual suspects stopped claiming it a while ago and instead claimed significance that it was rolling over to a new B'ak'tun - just as they claimed a significance of another arbitrary calendar figure - 1999 years since an approximate time some people calculated somebody was born in Israel - rolling over to the next one.

 

[Jarnac]

There isn't one. This has been pointed out a few times in this thread:





The idea that it's coming to an end has long since been debunked. Even the usual suspects stopped claiming it a while ago and instead claimed significance that it was rolling over to a new B'ak'tun - just as they claimed a significance of another arbitrary calendar figure - 1999 years since an approximate time some people calculated somebody was born in Israel - rolling over to the next one.

One might suppose the calendar actually ended with the beginning of Catholic education in the Mesoamerican domains.

 

[Famine]

No longer being observed in day-to-day life doesn't mean an end to it. After all, we know about it still...

 

[Jarnac]

Like smallpox being extinct?

 

[Famine]

Smallpox has been eradicated, not extincted. We retain stocks of the live viruses.

 

[Jarnac]

Smallpox has been eradicated, not extincted. We retain stocks of the live viruses.

Dinosaur?

 

[Famine]

Coelacanths and crocodiles.

Not wholly sure what point you're making, but mine is relatively clear - the "Mayan Long Count" calendar wasn't terminated by the conquistadors nor will it come to an end when the 12th B'ak'tun finishes. No calendar will end until time does, since a calendar is merely a subjective way of marking the passage of time objectively. So long as we're able to determine the arbitrary start point used and the manner in which the units are logged, we can calculate any date in time on any calendar. We don't use the Julian Calendar any more, but today is 20th September 2011 under it. It's 7/9/28/78 on the Chinese calendar and 5/7/5772 on the Hebrew one...

Our calendar will run out of suitable existing digits long before the Mayan Long Count. All we'll do on 31/12/9999 is add another digit to it - which won't prove necessary for the Long Count for another several thousand quadrillion years.

Assuming that Earth calendars have any real meaning by then, natch.

 

[Jarnac]

Coelacanths and crocodiles.

Not wholly sure what point you're making, but mine is relatively clear - the "Mayan Long Count" calendar wasn't terminated by the conquistadors and nor will it come to an end when the 12th B'ak'tun finishes. No calendar will end until time does, since a calendar is merely a subjective way of marking the passage of time objectively. So long as we're able to determine the arbitrary start point used and the manner in which the units are logged, we can calculate any date in time on any calendar. We don't use the Julian Calendar any more, but today is 20th September 2011 under it. It's 7/9/28/78 on the Chinese calendar and 5/7/5772 on the Hebrew one...

Our calendar will run out of suitable existing digits long before the Mayan Long Count. All we'll do on 31/12/9999 is add another digit to it - which won't prove necessary for the Long Count for another several thousand quadrillion years.

Assuming that Earth calendars have any real meaning by then, natch.

You really are clever! My 'point' was no matter how pretty your temple may be, if built on unsound foundations it will surely fail. I don't suppose you will now argue that idolatry and human sacrificing are sound foundations for a 'good' society? Which, I think, is where you decided to but in.

 

[Famine]

You really are clever!

Our fellow GTP users have agreed on many occasions.

My 'point' was no matter how pretty your temple may be, if built on unsound foundations it will surely fail.

That has little to do with the end of calendars or the end of days.

I don't suppose you will argue now that sun worshipping and human sacrificing are sound foundations for a 'good' society? Which, I think, is where you decided to but in.

Since I've only been talking about calendars and things likely to cause the end of days in this thread - and since long before your participation in it - that's an interesting supposition and not one built on sound foundations.

 

[PeterJB]

My 16 year old neighbour commited suicide last Saturday because she thought it was real. She came across the website of a religious cult saying that those who are dead will have their bodies risen from the ground and live in paradise for all eternity.

I for one am not convinced. It seems silly that the mayan calendar going back to zero or whatever should mark the end of the world. If they were able to predict it that accurately, then surely with modern science we should too? The Bible, or any other religious book for that matter, doesn't put a specfic date for a reason. We don't know.

I am a little unsure sometimes though. With the amount of major natural disasters we've had in the past few years, it could be some kind of precursor to the main event, and it feels like a lot more famous people have died in the past few years than before, though that is probably just me becoming increasingly aware of world affairs.

 

[Dennisch]

Famine, do you ever have an off day?

Like, a day where some else tell you you're wrong?

Would be awesome.

 

[Jarnac]

I agree it aint the end of the world, what you gonna do anyway?!

 

[ScouserInExile]

Yes, it will be the end of the world. It's actually been foretold as such in the Bible, the Torah, the Koran and the sacred Hindu texts. Not to mention the fact that the Mayans knew everything before we did, there's even proof of theor contact with Extra Terrestrials and time-travllers, who gave them their advanced knowledge.

There is also an allignment of the planets Jupiter, Mars and Venus at midday (GMT) on the 21/12/2012, an event that only happens every 32,789 years and that the ancient Greeks predicted would bring about the End Of Days.

So it's all pointing towards us being boned.

I've done a lot of research into this and have found the only way to survive this world-killing cataclismic event. I will send you this vital information if you send me all your money, consumer electronics and pornography. PM me for details of how to do this.

 

[Touring Mars]

My 16 year old neighbour commited suicide last Saturday because she thought it was real.

That's terrible What a tragic waste, and for what?

It is not surprising that some people are confused and scared by the doom-laden prophecies of various cults/groups, sometimes even to the point of suicide. The people who run these groups/websites ought to be deeply ashamed of themselves for peddling this irresponsible garbage... but you can rest assured that they really don't give a 🤬.

Unfortunately, there is no requirement for such dubious sources of 'information' to carry a large banner on their front pages saying "By the way, before you take any of this stuff seriously, please remind yourself that we have no evidence whatsoever that any of it is true or likely to happen in any way".

 

[Joey D]

I consider your comments to be impertinent, to say the least. You may have interpreted what I wrote as a negative appraisal of the Mayan culture, though actually I did not mention the Mayans in any way - we all know the OP is generally regarding the soon to end Mesoamerican long count calendar, which the Mayans were known to use.

When you call a civilisation "stone aged" when they aren't, that comes across as you are thinking lower of them. The Mayan weren't a stone age culture at all, they had the ability to work metal. The Stone Age ended in Mesoamerica about 2000BCE based on archaeologist's best guess, which is just about the time the Preclassic Mayan culture was evolving.

And when talking about the 21 Dec date, it's based about the Mayan's belief system in conjunction with the calendar, not just the calendar itself.

And then there's this statement:

I don't suppose you will now argue that idolatry and human sacrificing are sound foundations for a 'good' society?

It appears you are writing them off because of human sacrifice as something other then a "good" civilisation.

 

[Jarnac]

It appears you are writing them off because of human sacrifice as something other then a "good" civilisation.

Absolutely, how can you call killing your own kind as civilised?!.

 

[Dotini]

Absolutely, how can you call killing your own kind as civilised?!.

We kill our own for highly civilized reasons, i.e., the American Civil War. Our ends justify our means. Their's don't. Whatever they were.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve