Do you think Sport owners should have the option to import their garage?

[Tornado]

I like how this thread was bumped so people could relitigate the same dumb points that PD themselves invalidated nearly a decade ago, and arguably even before that, as if they somehow mean something different this time they were brought up.



Even the admitted cheater is again trying to act like anything he says on the topic means anything beyond him being a hypocrite.

 

[05XR8]

This is turning into a game of yes and no... The point of career mode is that you start on a budget and that you make the best choice of what is available. Do you buy your car as cheap as possible and do you use your remaining budget for upgrades or do you use your starting budget completely to buy the best car you can buy. It's that choice that will determine if you have to grind your way up or have it easier in the early races so you earn money faster. If you start with an existing garage you will be able to start with higher rewarding races so you will not have to work your way up in career mode because you will have access to more money from the start. Sounds like a form of cheating to me and that does change the way you play a game.

Come on. PD offered the option. Take it or leave it. It’s not mandatory to purchase a pre-ordered game to receive cars. Buy the game and don’t use the cars until you get in the higher classes. It’s been like this every GT game.
It’s not yes or no. It’s a choice.
Then, it’s a form of cheating to use your budget to customise your car to make it so that it’s faster than the competition. Don’t customise the car and try your best with your skill. Let’s be for real.

GT Sport allows people to jump into Sport Mode. Without buying a car. Players can create a lobby with only the First Car and the kart. Where’s the form of cheating in that? Trust. I’m not mocking you, but why have a problem with an option?

You still have to work your way up in GT League. This is for real: I constantly restart my game, for my personal enjoyment My actual First Car, is the N300 Megane Trophy ‘11. I get 50,000. Oh, plus, I get 400,000 Cr. For the Olympic Bonus. Think I’m bordering on that form of cheating scale, because I did option to partake in the Olympic Time Trial?
I can use the Megane in Sunday Cup, FF Challenge, Competition de France. If I choose to spend the 450,000 Cr., I can buy a Gr.4 car for 350,000 or spend Cr for a rotary, Z car, kei car, Mini, Mazda Roadster, Skyline, Beetle or Samba Bus, F-150, and Clio, to complete Beginner League. Is that a form of cheating to optionally use that 450,000 Cr. to buy all those cars? Remember, I’m still earning Cr. As I finish each race.

Same if I imported my garage. If we get the same race structure in GT7, I would hope to have in my garage: an F-150, Clio, Mazda Roadster, Beetle or Samba Bus, French Car, kei car, Gr.4 car, rotary, Mini, Skyline. I still have to do those races to advance in the game. What am I cheating or getting over by doing this? How is it changing the game?
it does nothing to effect anyone else’s game. It does nothing for Polyphony Digital data that effects other people’s game. I haven’t changed any coding to effect the game. I’ve only started with more cars, than if I didn’t import my garage, due to an option.

This isn’t even about an agree to disagree discussion. Some players think an option destroys the way they play their own game. Which this question surely does not.

 

[CBH]

I like how this thread was bumped so people could relitigate the same dumb points that PD themselves invalidated nearly a decade ago, and arguably even before that, as if they somehow mean something different this time they were brought up.



Even the admitted cheater is again trying to act like anything he says on the topic means anything beyond him being a hypocrite.

Leaving my PS4 on overnight is not cheating and it is not class as cheating, so it looks like I win this one by a long shot.

At least my views on here about havig a "No" option to import their garage is a right one, and a more sensible as well than a really dumb ideas I read on this thread, like the one above my post.

 

[redhed17]

This is turning into a game of yes and no... The point of career mode is that you start on a budget and that you make the best choice of what is available. Do you buy your car as cheap as possible and do you use your remaining budget for upgrades or do you use your starting budget completely to buy the best car you can buy. It's that choice that will determine if you have to grind your way up or have it easier in the early races so you earn money faster. If you start with an existing garage you will be able to start with higher rewarding races so you will not have to work your way up in career mode because you will have access to more money from the start. Sounds like a form of cheating to me and that does change the way you play a game.

But if the option is there for the user to transfer their garage, or some of their garage, from GT Sport, how does it affect your playing of the game, as someone who, you would presume, didn't choose the option to transfer anything from GT Sport and start with nothing bar some credits they give you?

That is of course if you didn't take any of they special editions at launch, as 05XR8 mentioned, which may give you cars, and/or credits more than the vast majority may be starting with. 😉

My progress in the game is not linked to you, or anyone else. There is not a league ranking of how fast, or how much, one has completed the game. There wouldn't be, you would presume, when you got to the screen which says how much of the game you have completed, or how many in game achievements you may have got, an asterisk which says, 'ah yes, but you started with the anniversary edition cars, and million credits', or whatever.

As an aside, I bought the anniversary edition of whatever GT game it was, but chose to ignore the benefits and play the game as I had done with the previous versions. But I had the choice. And guess who cared, and who it affected? No one.

 

[Hellburner]

I have played every GT from 1 to Sport. I tried the 100.000 credits, I tried the giftcars and it is my opinion that both change the way you play career mode. I assume many of you above me have played GT before Sport but what about people that started GT with Sport and are new to career mode? If they can choose between their transferred Lamborghini or a second-hand Mazda Miata/MX-5, what do you think they are going to choose? It is PD who makes the game and they design career mode to be played in a certain way.

 

[ImaRobot]

The reference with Uncharted was just to point out that investing time in a game doesn't mean that that investment should pay off in the next instalments of that game. And for GT is does change the game if you import a car. Just as it would change Doom if you have a BFG 9000 from the beginning.

The reference was a terrible one, that's what it was. There is no comparison of the two games in such a way. A game does not change when you import a car, you'll still have access to hundreds that you'd potentially be able to use on any other restricted events. If you don't have that car you're talking about importing, you can just use another one. It's a simple concept.

Having a ridiculously powerful weapon is not the same as having a good car. That car is still going to be restricted to the events it can enter in, and even having them, it wont break the game, because the cars you're racing against are likely going to be cars that can compete against each other. It's not the same as having a powerful weapon at the beginning of the game were you are able to one shot everything because no other weapon compares to it. That's not how it works here.

I have played every GT from 1 to Sport. I tried the 100.000 credits, I tried the giftcars and it is my opinion that both change the way you play career mode. I assume many of you above me have played GT before Sport but what about people that started GT with Sport and are new to career mode? If they can choose between their transferred Lamborghini or a second-hand Mazda Miata/MX-5, what do you think they are going to choose? It is PD who makes the game and they design career mode to be played in a certain way.

Explain how having one car will change the career mode. Career modes that they're returning to always had restricted events. You're very unlikely to be able to use that Mazda in the same race as the MX5. Hell, even if you can, how is it changing anything for you if someone else is doing that on the campaign mode. What exactly is the issue?

 

[Tornado]

Leaving my PS4 on overnight is not cheating and it is not class as cheating, so it looks like I win this one by a long shot.

Yes. We've all read constantly how you've tried to justify cheating and ignored people noting you were cheating since it was brought up in this thread on the first page that you were a cheater. That still makes you, specifically, incapable of being able to discuss to how other people should be "allowed" to play the game over the multiple times this topic has come up over the past decade without looking like a fool. And that's even more so than spamming the same reply over and over for 9 pages in this thread no matter what anyone has said to you already has.





So important is the sanctity of the Gran Turismo game structure that you cheated to bypass having to put up with it; and now that you got yours you are enough of a hypocrite to think that you have any room to call other people's opinions on how they would like to play the game "dumb."

At least my views on here about havig a "No" option to import their garage is a right one, and a more sensible as well than a really dumb ideas I read on this thread, like the one above my post.

Cool story, cheater.

I have played every GT from 1 to Sport. I tried the 100.000 credits, I tried the giftcars and it is my opinion that both change the way you play career mode. I assume many of you above me have played GT before Sport but what about people that started GT with Sport and are new to career mode? If they can choose between their transferred Lamborghini or a second-hand Mazda Miata/MX-5, what do you think they are going to choose? It is PD who makes the game and they design career mode to be played in a certain way.

If someone started off with the series with GT Sport they would know that this is false because by that point it was the third game that PD offered a way to "change the way you play career mode."

 

[Hellburner]

The reference was a terrible one, that's what it was. There is no comparison of the two games in such a way. A game does not change when you import a car, you'll still have access to hundreds that you'd potentially be able to use on any other restricted events. If you don't have that car you're talking about importing, you can just use another one. It's a simple concept.


Explain how having one car will change the career mode. Career modes that they're returning to always had restricted events. You're very unlikely to be able to use that Mazda in the same race as the MX5. Hell, even if you can, how is it changing anything for you if someone else is doing that on the campaign mode. What exactly is the issue?

The reference was a terrible one, that's what it was. There is no comparison of the two games in such a way. A game does not change when you import a car, you'll still have access to hundreds that you'd potentially be able to use on any other restricted events. If you don't have that car you're talking about importing, you can just use another one. It's a simple concept.


Explain how having one car will change the career mode. Career modes that they're returning to always had restricted events. You're very unlikely to be able to use that Mazda in the same race as the MX5. Hell, even if you can, how is it changing anything for you if someone else is doing that on the campaign mode. What exactly is the issue?

I just said that it was a time reference not a game comparison.

So you transfer your Lamborghini and you sell it, that still doesn't change career mode? Having 100.000cr instead of 10.000? Winning in the Sunday cup in GT4 would reward you 600cr but starting with a much higher budget doesn't influence the way you play?

I give up. If you don't see how that changes career mode than I am not going to try to explain it (again).

 

[ImaRobot]

I just said that it was a time reference not a game comparison.

So you transfer your Lamborghini and you sell it, that still doesn't change career mode? Having 100.000cr instead of 10.000? Winning in the Sunday cup in GT4 would reward you 600cr but starting with a much higher budget doesn't influence the way you play?

I give up. If you don't see how that changes career mode than I am not going to try to explain it (again).

And I said it was a terrible reference. It just doesn't work here.

And how exactly is it changing the career mode? You're still going to buy a car that will be restricted to the events it can enter in. Having more credits or less credits doesn't change that. You're not convincing anyone here because it doesn't really make sense what you're trying to push. It's a car, it wont influence the way I play - doesn't matter if it's a 1000 credit car or a 1 million credit car. If I'm importing cars I want to use why would I even sell them? It's making less sense as it goes on.

What exactly is going to change if you have a car that can be used in specific events, or a different car that can be used in other specific events? How is it breaking the game? How is it affecting you what others choose to do?

 

[Tornado]

So you transfer your Lamborghini and you sell it, that still doesn't change career mode?

It changes it quite a bit less than preordering GT5 from Gamestop did. It changes it quite a bit less than buying one of the collector's editions of GT5 did. It changes it quite a bit less than going to literally any store and buying GT5 XL did.

It absolutely changes it a lot less then having access to functionally infinite credits at the push of a button, which is the case in GT6 and GT Sport and almost certainly GT7 as well.







This is a point that really stopped making sense in November of 2010, when PD provided all sorts of ways to basically bypass the early game grind. Continuing to trot out how the GT career structure is so sacrosanct that allowing even the option to bypass it is forbidden after two games where PD cared so little about that literal exact thing you're arguing is important that they sold it out for as little as 99 cents goes past being ridiculous.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Continuing to trot out how the GT career structure is so sacrosanct that allowing even the option to bypass it is forbidden after two games where PD cared so little about that literal exact thing you're arguing is important that they sold it out for as little as 99 cents goes past being ridiculous.

The best part about all this is that the 'GT career structure' in its best form has already been done. And hilariously, it came a decade ago and wasn't even done by PD themselves.

 

[redhed17]

I have played every GT from 1 to Sport. I tried the 100.000 credits, I tried the giftcars and it is my opinion that both change the way you play career mode. I assume many of you above me have played GT before Sport but what about people that started GT with Sport and are new to career mode? If they can choose between their transferred Lamborghini or a second-hand Mazda Miata/MX-5, what do you think they are going to choose? It is PD who makes the game and they design career mode to be played in a certain way.

Yet they already alter that for those who are willing to spend a bit more on a special edition version of the game, by giving access to cars and/or vast amounts of credits it would take awhile to 'achieve' through extra payment up front.

If the choice is there, it is up to the individual to choose how they play the game, and it would be up to PD to inform users that yes, you can transfer cars, but we think you may miss out on a lot of stuff we have put into the game if you use the cars you have brought over from the start. And maybe there would be something to that, rather than as some people see past GT games, as a grind to get to the 'fast' cars. People play the games in different ways. I have never had an online race in GT Sport for example.

I personally have enjoyed starting with maybe a used car (usually an RX7 ) in previous games and upgrading over time, but I also can see other points of view of being able to skip a lot of the parts of the game they have little interest in. I would like the cars to come across to as to hopefully preserve the liveries I have taken many many hours to create, but if to do that enables others to start playing with cars at a high level straight away, it would be up to them.

Again I can't see how enabling option would affect you, or anyone else, so why be against it.

 

[Hellburner]

PD sees that there is a market to 'sell' cars for real money so they make advantage of it. That's how things go these days.

 

[AlexWilmot]

no, new game, new venture

 

[ImaRobot]

You keep referring to GT Sport... GT Sport doesn't have a career mode! You can't compare it with other GT games. First place in the Sunday cup in GT4 rewarded you 600 credits. There will always be people who don't want to start at the bottom

And you keep referring to things that just don't compare in any way. Either way even as limited as GTS campaign mode was, its still there. Starting at the bottom isn't exactly an issue, and like noted (that you keep ignoring), there is already plenty of extra's available that are literally given to you that makes your point moot.

but if you want to enjoy career mode as it is intended you should not be able to import your GTS cars.

Ok so you're saying for those people that want to start at the bottom and play as intended, they'd have the option to. I don't think you realize you're literally disagreeing with yourself here because if you give the people the option to start and play from the bottom, it also means you're giving the option to not do that as well.

You still keep dodging, and saying you're done, and avoiding questions. Please answer these:

What exactly is going to change if you have a car that can be used in specific events, or a different car that can be used in other specific events? How is it breaking the game? How is it affecting you what others choose to do?

 

[Samus]

It is PD who makes the game and they design career mode to be played in a certain way.

First place in the Sunday cup in GT4 rewarded you 600 credits.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-special-editions-detailed/

 

[ImaRobot]

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-special-editions-detailed/

That's not even counting the very easy methods PD introduced to avoid playing the game to get cars in the first place as well. They literally let you just buy cars for a low price using real money.

 

[Samus]

That's not even counting the very easy methods PD introduced to avoid playing the game to get cars in the first place as well. They literally let you just buy cars for a low price using real money.

Well, quite.

 

[ImaRobot]

Well, quite.

So it sounds like this is the way PD actually intended us to play the career modes, right @Hellburner?

 

[Hellburner]

So it sounds like this is the way PD actually intended us to play the career modes, right @Hellburner?

No, they just want extra money.

 

[Samus]

No, they just want extra money.

So it's alright to modify the game experience if you give PD extra money?

Oh and no, some of those pre-order bonuses were free.

You also forgot or pretended the GT4 credit import didn't exist, which started you with 100,000 credits if you played GT3. So much for your grinding 600 credits in Sunday Cup.

 

[ImaRobot]

No, they just want extra money.

Which doesn't take away from literally anything. You used it as a point that they should play the way its intended by PD, but PD's way is giving as much opportunities to have all kinds of extras as soon as possible and making them very accessible. Nice way to avoid that point, and every single other point.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I am pretty certain that Kaz could spit in people's faces and some people in this thread would thank him for it.

With the proof being shown that PD has stopped even perpetuating the myth that you start from nothing (if they even cared in the first place) for more then a decade and a half by this point, why would you continue to harp on it as if it was true?

 

[Hellburner]

So it's alright to modify the game experience if you give PD extra money?

Oh and no, some of those pre-order bonuses were free.

You also forgot or pretended the GT4 credit import didn't exist, which started you with 100,000 credits if you played GT3. So much for your grinding 600 credits in Sunday Cup.

Seriously? After all I said about transferring your own cars, you really think that I'm a fan of microtransitions?

Special editions are only made to grab more money out of our pockets, so they have to include something to make it worth it. Those exclusive editions were free for us but do you really think Amazon doesn't have to pay Sony for the exclusivity of selling those editions? If you want to pay extra for those 'exclusive' cars, go ahead. I don't like it and I think PD doesn't like it either. But because they earn extra money with it, they learned to like it.

 

[Samus]

Seriously? After all I said about transferring your own cars, you really think that I'm a fan of microtransitions?

Special editions are only made to grab more money out of our pockets, so they have to include something to make it worth it. Those exclusive editions were free for us but do you really think Amazon doesn't have to pay Sony for the exclusivity of selling those editions? If you want to pay extra for those 'exclusive' cars, go ahead. I don't like it and I think PD doesn't like it either. But because they earn extra money with it, they learned to like it.

You've entirely missed the point again.

 

[Hellburner]

You've entirely missed the point again.

Or I'm ignoring the points I've already given my opinion on.

 

[Samus]

Or I'm ignoring the points I've already given my opinion on.

Your opinion is that PD dictate how the game is played and PD dictate that you start with next to nothing and gradually earn credits.

Yet the same PD in the past has let you buy cars and credits, offers high powered starting cars in certain editions of the game and in GT4, the game you gave a specific example for, let you start with 100,000 credits if you played GT3. A multitude of options to give players an optional head start.

Do you not see the contradiction? It doesn't matter why PD did these things (Which, I might add, you've entirely made up to support your view), the fact is they did. PD do NOT see starting from nothing as the ONLY option in the games.

 

[redhed17]

Seriously? After all I said about transferring your own cars, you really think that I'm a fan of microtransitions?

Special editions are only made to grab more money out of our pockets, so they have to include something to make it worth it. Those exclusive editions were free for us but do you really think Amazon doesn't have to pay Sony for the exclusivity of selling those editions? If you want to pay extra for those 'exclusive' cars, go ahead. I don't like it and I think PD doesn't like it either. But because they earn extra money with it, they learned to like it.

No one is forcing PD to make special editions to sell the game on release, the game will sell millions regardless of having a special edition, history shows you that. They are doing it to make extra money, they care not one jot that it will alter the way the user will play the way their game has been designed to be played. If they actually didn't like it, they would do it, they don't need to.

 

[Hellburner]

Your opinion is that PD dictate how the game is played and PD dictate that you start with next to nothing and gradually earn credits.

Yet the same PD in the past has let you buy cars and credits, offers high powered starting cars in certain editions of the game and in GT4, the game you gave a specific example for, let you start with 100,000 credits if you played GT3. A multitude of options to give players an optional head start.

Do you not see the contradiction? It doesn't matter why PD did these things (Which, I might add, you've entirely made up to support your view), the fact is they did. PD do NOT see starting from nothing as the ONLY option in the games.

And now you are missing the point. They let you do so if you are willing to pay extra for it. That is an option PD gives because they can charge extra money for it. They are not going to allow you to import your GT Sport cars for free. They should not allow it either if you pay for it, but that is how it goes these days with games.

What is it that I made up? That they charge extra for special editions? That they earn money on microtransactions? And did PD not give those 100.000cr because GT4 was delayed by 18 months and didn't have all the promised functions?

 

[Samus]

And now you are missing the point. They let you do so if you are willing to pay extra for it. That is an option PD gives because they can charge extra money for it. They are not going to allow you to import your GT Sport cars for free. They should not allow it either if you pay for it, but that is how it goes these days with games.

What is it that I made up? That they charge extra for special editions? That they earn money on microtransactions? And did PD not give those 100.000cr because GT4 was delayed by 18 months and didn't have all the promised functions?

Again, why does it matter why they offered these things? The fact that they offered them is all the evidence you need that they don't care if people don't start from nothing, as you inferred is the only way to play the game because that's what PD offer. Clearly they offer other options. Which is exactly what a car import would be. Now you've seemingly gone back to just saying they should not allow it for....no particular reason?

You made up that PD didn't like offering all those incentives but were forced to do it and "learned to like it". You have zero evidence of that.