Do you think Sport owners should have the option to import their garage?

[redhed17]

Why should you transfer your garage to the new game?? It was never the case. The only thinkg I can understand is, if people want to transfer their (especially self made) own car designs. Some people put a lot of word in they layer designs.

Just because something was not an option in the past does not mean it shouldn't be an option in the future. And the key word there was option, give people the option to choose to do it or not, everyone is happy. (yeah, like that would ever happen 🙄 )

I personally would prefer not to import my garage. It would rob me of the accomplishment of starting from the bottom and climbing the ladder. If people want to do that it's up to them but I'm going to stick to the old-school method.

I do hope can import our created and saved content, especially liveries. Judging by the online saves of GT7 I'm hoping it simply uses the same content database so everything is compatible.

I would be quite unhappy if the liveries I created are just lost with GT Sport, but I can see a few problem as to why they wouldn't do it.

The decals people have uploaded may not be transferred to GT7, so the database would need to be built again. They could potentially transfer an uneditable wrap with the design to the same car in the new game, but that may depend on the car being exactly the same.

If the Livery Editor has changed significantly, it looks like the option to put decals on windows is a new option, and the underlying way it works underneath is a lot different, then transfers may not be technically possible anyway. Though they could say that just to stop that line of questioning.

If they update the resolution a lot, and also the size of the files you can upload as a consequence, then transferred liveries could look awful anyway. 😉

Having lost a whole load of editable liveries to network data corruption, unless the decals are saved on my PS4/5, I will not be using it as much as I did in GT Sport. Unless there is something amazing and new, so we'll see. Hopefully I will be more busy with other parts of the game compared to GT Sport. 😉

 

[MatskiMonk]

The decals people have uploaded may not be transferred to GT7, so the database would need to be built again. They could potentially transfer an uneditable wrap with the design to the same car in the new game, but that may depend on the car being exactly the same.

If the Livery Editor has changed significantly, it looks like the option to put decals on windows is a new option, and the underlying way it works underneath is a lot different, then transfers may not be technically possible anyway. Though they could say that just to stop that line of questioning.

If they update the resolution a lot, and also the size of the files you can upload as a consequence, then transferred liveries could look awful anyway. 😉

Of all the things to be hopeful for, carrying over liveries is one of the likely ones in my opinion. The SVG's are stored remotely, these files can be rendered in any resolution at any point, so there need not be any quality issues when it comes to resolution.

If the data files for the liveries are also stored remotely (which seems feasible), then there's no reason PD can't recompose all existing liveries automatically for all cars carried over to GT7. The livery data files are most likely, a decal id, two sets of co-ordinates depending on projection method, and height, width and rotation data, and some basic stuff relating to the rendering techniques for the car model (paint colour/finsih etc.) it wouldn't surprise me if all this was stored in an XML file since the XML file could be parsed with the SVG files at the same time (it's all XML anyway).

Even with new options for banners and windows, the data wouldn't clash - whatever engine projects the decals the surfaces just won't have any data for those surfaces. What will be worse is, for instance, if they reclassify something that was say 'body' in GTS as 'Wing' or 'Bonnet' in GT7, that could confuse things alot.

To reduce load on the servers, I can imagine PD requiring people to import liveries one by one, but technically everything about the way they've handled the livery editor indicates stuff should carry over without any loss of quality - and potentially even a boost in resolution.

edit: This would even work (to varying degrees) with cars that had body modifications in GT7.

 

[redhed17]

Of all the things to be hopeful for, carrying over liveries is one of the likely ones in my opinion. The SVG's are stored remotely, these files can be rendered in any resolution at any point, so there need not be any quality issues when it comes to resolution.

If the data files for the liveries are also stored remotely (which seems feasible), then there's no reason PD can't recompose all existing liveries automatically for all cars carried over to GT7. The livery data files are most likely, a decal id, two sets of co-ordinates depending on projection method, and height, width and rotation data, and some basic stuff relating to the rendering techniques for the car model (paint colour/finsih etc.) it wouldn't surprise me if all this was stored in an XML file since the XML file could be parsed with the SVG files at the same time (it's all XML anyway).

Even with new options for banners and windows, the data wouldn't clash - whatever engine projects the decals the surfaces just won't have any data for those surfaces. What will be worse is, for instance, if they reclassify something that was say 'body' in GTS as 'Wing' or 'Bonnet' in GT7, that could confuse things alot.

To reduce load on the servers, I can imagine PD requiring people to import liveries one by one, but technically everything about the way they've handled the livery editor indicates stuff should carry over without any loss of quality - and potentially even a boost in resolution.

edit: This would even work (to varying degrees) with cars that had body modifications in GT7.

I hope you are right.

 

[IXON009]

I don't think it would be that much mate but a few million credits just because we played GTS would be nice, but will PD do this that is the question or they have something special for us.

Yeah, it's just my biggest hope. After buying the Hamilton DLC I couldn't spend over 50 Million prize Credits I got since then because I already had all the cars I wanted. Would be nice to have a headstart in the game with that amount of money in GT7 but I know the possibilities are under 1%.

 

[redhed17]

Yeah, it's just my biggest hope. After buying the Hamilton DLC I couldn't spend over 50 Million prize Credits I got since then because I already had all the cars I wanted. Would be nice to have a headstart in the game with that amount of money in GT7 but I know the possibilities are under 1%.

Some of the prices for various things in the GT7 coverage videos I've seen, 50m may be very easy to spend. It seems hyper inflation may have hit GT7! Hopefully the prize amounts for achievements increase at the same rate.

 

[CBH]

Yeah, it's just my biggest hope. After buying the Hamilton DLC I couldn't spend over 50 Million prize Credits I got since then because I already had all the cars I wanted. Would be nice to have a headstart in the game with that amount of money in GT7 but I know the possibilities are under 1%.

You got your possibilities are under 1% well I got my possibilities a lot higher at 35%, to do something like a certain amount of credits going over from GT Sport to GT7, and May be your liveries as well.

Once GT7 comes who is going to play GT Sport.

 

[IXON009]

Once GT7 comes who is going to play GT Sport.

Not me haha

 

[Hellburner]

I don't see why that should be an option? What is the point of career mode if you don't have to make a career but just have to pick a car from your garage that will win every race that you start. Why would you need car modifications if you have cars enough to choose from? I get it that you want to use your garage for online racing if the online part of GT7 is the same as GT Sport. For the career mode, the transfer will make it completely senseless until you reach the higher levels.

 

[05XR8]

I don't see why that should be an option? What is the point of career mode if you don't have to make a career but just have to pick a car from your garage that will win every race that you start. Why would you need car modifications if you have cars enough to choose from? I get it that you want to use your garage for online racing if the online part of GT7 is the same as GT Sport. For the career mode, the transfer will make it completely senseless until you reach the higher levels.

The point is, just like those that want their liveries to carry over. It’s an option for those that put in the time to build their car collection. Also an option for those that just want to carry over one car. Who is to say people that carry over their 330 P4, will be able to use it straight away? They may still have to start with kei cars and Japanese micro hatches first. Get that S licence to unlock a classic Le Mans event. If the economy is low paying, at least those that transferred expensive cars, will be set.

People may still have to modify cars. Nothing saying the tune I make in GTSport, carries over to GT7. It would most likely be the standard car that carries over.
Carrying over my garage will be good for me, if I can start driving my favourite cars on new tracks. If I can skip using a Beginner car and start using my 1971 AMG 300SEL 6.3 at Trial Mountain, I’d like to do that. That’s the point of options: Choice.

 

[Hellburner]

If it wasn't a completely different game maybe. If you play 'generic shooter 1' and you can carry over all your guns to 'generic shooter 2' that would also spoil the first levels...

 

[NAXEHT]

Seems like an obvious no in my world. New game, you start anew again.

 

[Samus]

What is the point of career mode if you don't have to make a career but just have to pick a car from your garage that will win every race that you start.

Like I said earlier in the topic, if you can do that the problem is not having the cars, it is in poor restrictions on events. Merely having a car shouldn't make races any easier if the restrictions are tight. Otherwise what difference does it make if you start with a car or get it after 8 hours? The race is still going to be the same, if you can just enter a car far beyond the AI.

Hundreds of racing drivers in real life come into the sport backed with huge money providing whatever car they need, but thanks to regulations in racing series they still need talent to win races. They don't turn up to a touring car race with a Ferrari FXX.

Also as others have said, there can still be other gates in the career mode. Say I import a GT3 car, so I can go out and drive it in a free mode. In career mode the GT3 events can and should be gated by experience/licences/whatever. So I still have to progress to get there, I just get to drive anything I want freely elsewhere in the game.

 

[ImaRobot]

Like I said earlier in the topic, if you can do that the problem is not having the cars, it is in poor restrictions on events. Merely having a car shouldn't make races any easier if the restrictions are tight. Otherwise what difference does it make if you start with a car or get it after 8 hours? The race is still going to be the same, if you can just enter a car far beyond the AI.

Hundreds of racing drivers in real life come into the sport backed with huge money providing whatever car they need, but thanks to regulations in racing series they still need talent to win races. They don't turn up to a touring car race with a Ferrari FXX.

This is actually the best explanation so far. I was against it initially, and was more in line with @TonyJZX idea relating to Forza, but with proper restrictions on an event it shouldn't detract from the game.

That is, unless one of those restrictions is to use one of the most expensive cars in the game that you happened to get very easily that you imported to the game. With how grindy it can become, it can be a bit of a shaft for anyone not starting at the same pace. That's the only scenario I can think of that might be upsetting to some people, though.

 

[Samus]

That is, unless one of those restrictions is to use one of the most expensive cars in the game that you happened to get very easily that you imported to the game. With how grindy it can become, it can be a bit of a shaft for anyone not starting at the same pace. That's the only scenario I can think of that might be upsetting to some people, though.

Perhaps, but that would still be the choice on the part of the player, and as I say in my edit, they can gate entry to higher tier races in other ways other than whether you have the car. Hopefully not the level nonsense of GT5 though, mind you.

I mean to be clear I think the chances of them doing this are slim to none. But the arguments against it being an option, hypothetically, are not particularly strong that I've seen.

 

[ImaRobot]

Perhaps, but that would still be the choice on the part of the player, and as I say in my edit, they can gate entry to higher tier races in other ways other than whether you have the car. Hopefully not the level nonsense of GT5 though, mind you.

I mean to be clear I think the chances of them doing this are slim to none. But the arguments against it being an option, hypothetically, are not particularly strong that I've seen.

I'm not against it per se, but I do like the idea of loyalty rewards like @TonyJZX mentioned, maybe handing out some rarer higher end cars. Everyone gets the same bonus if you played the game, but you're also not going to have that much of an advancement over someone brand new to the series.

 

[Samus]

I'm not against it per se, but I do like the idea of loyalty rewards like @TonyJZX mentioned, maybe handing out some rarer higher end cars. Everyone gets the same bonus if you played the game, but you're also not going to have that much of an advancement over someone brand new to the series.

Yes they could hand out bonuses based on what you actually did in GTS, rather than just what's in your garage.

Completed all licenses = 50k credits
Completed them all gold = a car
completed circuit experience = another car
completed circuit experience to gold = 100k credits
Won 10 sport races = 250k credits

And so on.

Actually reward people for playing the previous game.

 

[Hellburner]

Like I said earlier in the topic, if you can do that the problem is not having the cars, it is in poor restrictions on events. Merely having a car shouldn't make races any easier if the restrictions are tight. Otherwise what difference does it make if you start with a car or get it after 8 hours? The race is still going to be the same, if you can just enter a car far beyond the AI.

Hundreds of racing drivers in real life come into the sport backed with huge money providing whatever car they need, but thanks to regulations in racing series they still need talent to win races. They don't turn up to a touring car race with a Ferrari FXX.

Also as others have said, there can still be other gates in the career mode. Say I import a GT3 car, so I can go out and drive it in a free mode. In career mode the GT3 events can and should be gated by experience/licences/whatever. So I still have to progress to get there, I just get to drive anything I want freely elsewhere in the game.

I do agree with tighter restrictions and not just based on performance points. I think it was GT2 that was the best game in this regard. If it is one car that you can import, maybe, but I see posts who speak about the whole GTS garage...
For me career mode, is starting with a second hand banger and upgrading it with performance parts untill it isn't sufficient anymore. I remember starting a GT game with 100.000 credits so I bought a BMW M3. After a while I started a new game because it just wasn't fun if you don't have to work your way up. You say that you haven't seen strong arguments why not, I haven't seen any good arguments why they should.

 

[Samus]

I do agree with tighter restrictions and not just based on performance points. I think it was GT2 that was the best game in this regard. For me career mode, is starting with a second hand banger and upgrading it with performance parts untill it isn't sufficient anymore. I remember starting a GT game with 100.000 credits so I bought a BMW M3. After a while I started a new game because it just wasn't fun if you don't have to work your way up. You say that you haven't seen strong arguments why not, I haven't seen any good arguments why they should.

Because people play the games differently and just want all the cars they had spent hours getting in the last game? Seems pretty obvious to me. If it's an option, it doesn't stop you playing the way you want, and they play the way they want.

Although again, I highly doubt PD will offer it.

 

[Hellburner]

I get that but I have collected all the collectables in Uncharted 1, 2 and 3. I did not expect Naughty Dog to give me all the collectables in Uncharted 4 because I spent so much time in collecting them in the previous games.

 

[Samus]

I get that but I have collected all the collectables in Uncharted 1, 2 and 3. I did not expect Naughty Dog to give me all the collectables in Uncharted 4 because I spent so much time in collecting them in the previous games.

Not really the same thing, you don't do anything with collectibles like that, they're solely there to find and collect. Cars in GT games serve a purpose, drive them!

 

[Hellburner]

Not really the same thing, you don't do anything with collectibles like that, they're solely there to find and collect. Cars in GT games serve a purpose, drive them!

Do you drive every car in your GT garage? I have a lot of cars that I keep just because I think they are cool, good looking or just because I'm a fan and I want one in every colour. Kazunori Yamauchi said it himself that collecting is a big part of GT7 (GT cafe) not just racing.

 

[05XR8]

Everyone is not expecting to transfer their cars. The question is should we have the option. So, you used the option of credits. You had the choice and tried it that way. That’s the purpose. A choice of option.

 

[ImaRobot]

Do you drive every car in your GT garage? I have a lot of cars that I keep just because I think they are cool, good looking or just because I'm a fan and I want one in every colour. Kazunori Yamauchi said it himself that collecting is a big part of GT7 (GT cafe) not just racing.

That doesn't change what was said. An action adventure game with a massive story isn't remotely comparable with a racing game when it comes to importing things. Having a car really isn't going to change anything about the game you play, really.

 

[05XR8]

Exactly. There's no problem with the option.

 

[Hellburner]

That doesn't change what was said. An action adventure game with a massive story isn't remotely comparable with a racing game when it comes to importing things. Having a car really isn't going to change anything about the game you play, really.

The reference with Uncharted was just to point out that investing time in a game doesn't mean that that investment should pay off in the next instalments of that game. And for GT is does change the game if you import a car. Just as it would change Doom if you have a BFG 9000 from the beginning.

 

[05XR8]

It doesn’t change the game. PD offered real money purchases, Daily Work Out Gift, Manufacturer signings. All ways to get a car(Manu is the easiest way to get a Gr. 3 and Gr.4 car). Player does Nothern Isle, second easiest way to get a car(always gifts me the GT3 SLS). Racing Etiquette is third, as it takes longer, but gifts a kart. The game starts you with 50,000 Cr and a First Car. Most Sport Mode races, a new player can’t even use the first car in Sport Mode. Does that change the game? If the player is doing Arcade Mode, does the game change becasue there is a free cars they can use to race with?

If someone chooses to sign a Manu over someone that doesn’t, does that change the game?
If someone buys the pre-order with 10 cars and 250,000 Cr., does that change the game?
However, a player imports their garage and the game changes. Doesn’t read as a valid case against.

Two new players start the game right now. They both want to race in Sport Mode. One imported their Garage. The other starts with the First Car. Both have to do the racing etiquette. The player that imported their garage, chooses their Gr.3 car and off they go. The player that started fresh, builds their Cr. Or chooses a Manu and off they go. How does either player change the game? Especially, effect the other’s game?

 

[Hellburner]

GT Sport doesn't have a career mode. It is a completely different game than the numbered Gran Turismo's. I'm talking about career mode not arcade or online racing.

 

[05XR8]

GT Sport doesn't have a career mode. It is a completely different game than the numbered Gran Turismo's. I'm talking about career mode not arcade or online racing.

It still doesn’t change the game. If I use my transferred garage and you start from the Mazda Demio, how does that change your game, my game, the game? It doesn’t change Career Mode. I would still have to do the events.
It would be like someone upgrading their car to someone that doesn’t. Is the game changed because someone applied SS tyres to their Demio and the other player kept the CS tyres on their Demio? Or one player adds an exhaust and the other adds a turbo? Again, the player that imports their garage might not even have the necessary car to get through the early stages of the game?

Know what does change the game? Updates. For better or worse.

 

[CBH]

I don't see why that should be an option?

That's right there should not be an option.

 

[Hellburner]

It still doesn’t change the game. If I use my transferred garage and you start from the Mazda Demio, how does that change your game, my game, the game? It doesn’t change Career Mode. I would still have to do the events.
It would be like someone upgrading their car to someone that doesn’t. Is the game changed because someone applied SS tyres to their Demio and the other player kept the CS tyres on their Demio? Or one player adds an exhaust and the other adds a turbo? Again, the player that imports their garage might not even have the necessary car to get through the early stages of the game?

Know what does change the game? Updates. For better or worse.

This is turning into a game of yes and no... The point of career mode is that you start on a budget and that you make the best choice of what is available. Do you buy your car as cheap as possible and do you use your remaining budget for upgrades or do you use your starting budget completely to buy the best car you can buy. It's that choice that will determine if you have to grind your way up or have it easier in the early races so you earn money faster. If you start with an existing garage you will be able to start with higher rewarding races so you will not have to work your way up in career mode because you will have access to more money from the start. Sounds like a form of cheating to me and that does change the way you play a game.