Does Anyone Think The Endurance Races Are Too easy?

[Remy Zero]

Hi all, not sure if this has been discussed, i did a search, but can't find a specific thread on this. I'm currently in the middle of the Fuji 1000km enduro race.

I'm using the Minolta, with the Mazda 787B, Nissan R89C, BMW V12 LMR, and the Pesky as well, as that Panoz GTR car covering the grid. I think, for the endurance races, its a bit too easy. I actually stopped at the side of the Fuji track, got lapped 5 times, just to spice things up. However, i still managed to catch the Mazda, which was leading the race, and lap the Mazda.

My point is, does everyone feel that PD made a mistake of making the endurance races 'a bit easy?'

I hope it'll be more challenging in GT5. Cheers!

 

[Cougar23]

Yeah they are extremely easy. They aren't really a challenge as much as they should be. The Ai should be much faster and it should be a race right down to the line not just lap 'em all on the first lap. My two cents.

 

[GeeTeeR]

I'm using the Minolta

Well...The minolta is one of the best Group C/LMP cars out there,try something like the R390,CLK-GTR or Panoz.

 

[homeforsummer]

The competition is easy, sitting there for hour upon hour is not.

 

[daan]

They are only as easy as you make them. The use a slower car makes them a bit tougher.

 

[Famine]

Indeed. The Minolta is the fastest car in the game beside the Formula GT (disproportionally so, given how lame the real car was compared to two of its direct peers also included in the game).

Try something less like a nuclear bomb to crack a nut.

 

[Remy Zero]

Thanks for the replies guys. Right now, i just have the Minolta as my only Group C race car

I deleted my old data (which i had completed about 80), so, i'm careful with the amount of credits i have. I'm saving for the Black Beauties. I have about 2 mil plus in credits.

However, i have to admit, i'm really disappointed on the status of competition of the game, or endurance. Right now, the only most challenging is the Mission 34. Anyways, thanks for the views. Just wanted to get some opinion. Cheers!

 

[Parnelli Bone]

IT's been said by daan above, and by many others many times in the past. You gotta set your own limits. Like when I did the Grand Valley Endurance, I used a Viper SRT (like you buy from the dealer) with about 500 hp, a wing kit, and various other tuning. Think that was easy? Try it and find out.

 

[Remy Zero]

IT's been said by daan above, and by many others many times in the past. You gotta set your own limits. Like when I did the Grand Valley Endurance, I used a Viper SRT (like you buy from the dealer) with about 500 hp, a wing kit, and various other tuning. Think that was easy? Try it and find out.

Lol...thanks for the tip mate. I'll definitely give it a shot.

 

[Tetraeder]

If the endurance races (and the game) is too easy for you, have a look in the 200 point A-spec forum. There you will find some challenge. But I agree, running endurance races for 1 point is neither interesting not challenging.

 

[Open Addict]

Also take a look at Smallhorses's A-spec Endurance Companion, to see some real close racing.

 

[SRinc.]

i originally wanted to say no their not, typical moment for me LoL. but yes they are a bit too easy. it doesnt take much to get ahead and also develop a pit strategy that leaves you ahead too. but what you can do to 'spice' things up are to indeed go with a slower car.

The competition is easy, sitting there for hour upon hour is not.

i must agree here, this could not be more true! the races go from exciting and fun to being a true testament of ones endurance.

They are only as easy as you make them. The use a slower car makes them a bit tougher.

this too also you should take into consideration. leveling the playing field is always a great way to get competition out of the A.I. on GT4.

Yeah they are extremely easy. They aren't really a challenge as much as they should be. The Ai should be much faster and it should be a race right down to the line not just lap 'em all on the first lap. My two cents.

yes AGREED, endurance races are more along the lines of 'let-me-see-how-many-times-i-can-lap-the-a.i' races to me instead of an all out race for laps, no real competition unless i go with a slower car.

 

[ploopsy]

I think pit stops and tire/fuel wear add a new level of strategy to ones tuning, driving style and decision making.....

-You cant just drive all out.
-You have to be careful not to drive harder than your tires allow as the quality of the drive deteriorates.
-You cant tune your car to its best speed and handling settings (since youll kill tires).
-You have to avoid super soft tires.
-You have to drive well enough to allow for some pit stop time.
-You have to decide when to pit.
-Its easy to zone out on a long race and more challenging to avoid zoning out.
-You gotta keep an eye on the fuel.

It does indeed add a new dimension to the game.
The prize cars are also pretty damn cool.

 

[RaidoGT]

I don't know if they're as easy as people make them in GT4.

It depends. If you'd drive a real endurance race, you'd have to take care not to get off the track, whack a wall (and hence ruin the suspension etc.) for dozens of laps, and then more dozens. It'd not be so easy to keep it real and stay concentrated for so long in such cases.
I suspect most drivers in GT4 race the arcade way and don't care about doing so, and in that case, things would be pretty easy, yes. If doing "real" endurance, less so.

(For my part, I found 20+ laps races in GPL plenty tough,... but then that sim requires such an extraordinary amount of concentration - one tiny tiny lapse, and you're a DNF - it's enough to tire you out in less than 12 short laps.)

 

[shepzki]

I have just (I say just, about 4 hours ago) started the 24hr Nurburgring race for MAX points with my trusty Suzuki GSX, race itself is pretty easy 3 and a half hours in, am nearly 6 minutes in front of the M3 GTR Race car. Hardest part is concentrating for me, have had a couple of excursions into the sand. Oh and the other hardest part, my PC chair seat is like sitting on steel, my arse is hurting like hell and i'm leaving it alone for the night now. Will resume in the morning with some soreness.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I have just (I say just, about 4 hours ago) started the 24hr Nurburgring race for MAX points with my trusty Suzuki GSX, race itself is pretty easy 3 and a half hours in, am nearly 6 minutes in front of the M3 GTR Race car. Hardest part is concentrating for me, have had a couple of excursions into the sand. Oh and the other hardest part, my PC chair seat is like sitting on steel, my arse is hurting like hell and i'm leaving it alone for the night now. Will resume in the morning with some soreness.

You're 6 minutes ahead of the 2nd place car??? Start over with a slower/more challenging car. You're overkilling the race; THAT'S why it's "pretty easy".

I mean, you can do whatever you want, but don't come back here tomorrow boasting how easy this race is. You won't get any brownie points from many of us, otherwise.

 

[Austin343]

Parnelli, it's for 200 points. The idea is to earn the points, not to have a challenging race, and it's nice to have a relaxing race when you can so easily lose focus over the 24 hours. He wouldn't brag about the accomplishment because he isn't claiming it's hard.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Parnelli, it's for 200 points. The idea is to earn the points, not to have a challenging race, and it's nice to have a relaxing race when you can so easily lose focus over the 24 hours. He wouldn't brag about the accomplishment because he isn't claiming it's hard.

Ooookee dokee.

 

[shepzki]

You're 6 minutes ahead of the 2nd place car??? Start over with a slower/more challenging car. You're overkilling the race; THAT'S why it's "pretty easy".

I mean, you can do whatever you want, but don't come back here tomorrow boasting how easy this race is. You won't get any brownie points from many of us, otherwise.

My friend, you may think that every race needs to be as difficult as possible, I don't. There are so many challenging races in the game that it is a bit of a luxury to have a nice easy race. Besides the difficulty in endurance races (speaking only of GT4 here) is not the opposition (apart from SS and Roadster 4HR races) it is the amount of time they take to finish. I'm gonna be at this race for another 2-3 days on and off, do you not think that's punishment enough and is it any less of an acheivement because I used a better car? Still a race for 200 points and that's what matters at the end of the day.

 

[imtheleprechaun]

Enduring the entire race really is the difficult part. I started the Sarthe II 24hr race a month or two ago. I got about 15 hours in (over probably 4-5 days), then totally lost all interest in doing another 9 hours after the car lost chassis rigidity and I started going off every time at Mulsanne corner. I probably had enough pace to win despite the constant offs, but my will to play had been totally sapped.

There's a lot of races where 200 points is pretty easy to obtain, but like nemesis01 says, there's plenty of ridiculously difficult races too so it balances out.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

My friend, you may think that every race needs to be as difficult as possible, I don't. There are so many challenging races in the game that it is a bit of a luxury to have a nice easy race. Besides the difficulty in endurance races (speaking only of GT4 here) is not the opposition (apart from SS and Roadster 4HR races) it is the amount of time they take to finish. I'm gonna be at this race for another 2-3 days on and off, do you not think that's punishment enough and is it any less of an acheivement because I used a better car? Still a race for 200 points and that's what matters at the end of the day.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I simply misunderstood where you were coming from.

The title of this thread is "Does Anyone Think The Endurnace Races Are Too Easy?", which lead me to think you were complaining about how easy the race is, when in reality you WANT an easy race. So again, a misunderstood moment.

 

[SRinc.]

When you put it that way, I'm with Parnelli Bone I can see how a misunderstanding can take place.

 

[devildog666]

Yeah they are extremely easy. They aren't really a challenge as much as they should be. The Ai should be much faster and it should be a race right down to the line not just lap 'em all on the first lap. My two cents.

That normally doesn't happen in endurance races in real life so why would it happen in the game? At Le mans, the Audi's or Peugot's lap the field several times every year.

 

[shepzki]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I simply misunderstood where you were coming from.

The title of this thread is "Does Anyone Think The Endurnace Races Are Too Easy?", which lead me to think you were complaining about how easy the race is, when in reality you WANT an easy race. So again, a misunderstood moment.

No problem, for me I cannot even begin to contemplate the thought of a close 24HR race. To do the whole race and lose by a second or something is unthinkable and I would kill myself.

 

[Pitracer100]

No problem, for me I cannot even begin to contemplate the thought of a close 24HR race. To do the whole race and lose by a second or something is unthinkable and I would kill myself.

The wall and my PS2 would of met and I will put money on it that the wall will own my PS2.

 

[SRinc.]

No problem, for me I cannot even begin to contemplate the thought of a close 24HR race. To do the whole race and lose by a second or something is unthinkable and I would kill myself.

Yea that would be so unbearable, agony of defeat wouldn't even come close to describing the feeling.

The wall and my PS2 would of met and I will put money on it that the wall will own my PS2.

And this would so be the outcome too. If it's anything like my old DualShock 2 versus wooden dresser, I'd replace the PS2 with a 3 and call it a day LoL.

 

[DK]

Dude, you call being up for 24hrs+ easy? Do you know how much Red Bull you have to drink and how many times you have to go to the friggin' toilet?!

 

[shepzki]

Well, started my first 24HR enduro on wednesday about 5pm, have done several stints on it since then and am now 16 hours in. Middle of my thumb on right hand is as flat as holland, hands are very stiff and back aches like you wouldn't believe. To sum up, some of the races are too easy and some are not.

 

[Pitracer100]

Yea that would be so unbearable, agony of defeat wouldn't even come close to describing the feeling.



And this would so be the outcome too. If it's anything like my old DualShock 2 versus wooden dresser, I'd replace the PS2 with a 3 and call it a day LoL.

After I would get the wall replastered I would get the PS3 off the cupboard hook it up and call it a day.

Dude, you call being up for 24hrs+ easy? Do you know how much Red Bull you have to drink and how many times you have to go to the friggin' toilet?!

You would probably have a hangover with all that sugar! I cannot believe there are some people who actually sat there for 24 hours and a few minutes. Only taking breaks when the bladder was full or PS2 decided it was time to go.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Believe it or not hitting the "start" button will pause the race and you can take a break and then come back and resume.

Also if any of the races are too easy for you, do them in a car that will garner 200 A-spec points. I believe that will correct the problem.

I might also recommend the "Roadster Endurance" in this fashion.
I am confident "too easy", will be erased from your mindset.