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- Gambleboyen
Does Kaz's letter make any sense?
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You know as little about sony's financial structure as I do. They messed up with gtsport as every review mentioned the lack of content and initial sales reflected that. They made up for that with the (increadible) free contant that kept comming years into its lifespan. But that had to have cost them alot of resources. They probably did that to restore faith in the francise but I doubt sony was happy that they had to do that.
Mtx could be their way to make up for that and there might be bonusses involved for pd's staff, who knows.
Sony should know better than to pull this mtx crap in a full priced game. This is not a live service game, this is a full priced, more single player focused game. Atleast thats what we were told.
You could be right ofcourse but we'll never know for sure I'm afraid. All I know this is messed up whoever thought of this game economy scam.
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Maybe the plan is to see how many people will stop playing with these latest changes.
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"In the video game industry, games as a service (GaaS) represents providing video games or game content on a continuing revenue model, similar to software as a service. Games as a service are ways to monetize video games either after their initial sale, or to support a free-to-play model. Games released under the GaaS model typically receive a long or indefinite stream of monetized new content over time to encourage players to continue paying to support the game. This often leads to games that work under a GaaS model to be called "living games", "live games", or "live service games" since they continually change with these updates."
It perfectly describe what GTS and GT7 is. It definitely is a live service game
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LOL still talking about realism in a game with no qualifying
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Unfortunately thats where we are going to it seems. Live service in my view is/was a free or low priced game which sustains itself with mtx. Like fortnite etc.
I paid 80 euro's for this game and will only be able to play a fraction of the content I paid for in this current economic model.
Pd/sony wants to go the fifa route it seems. Anyway, anti consumer all the way. Im super frustrated about this after the joy gtsport brougt me for so many years. That game was the total opposite to this. Cant say they have the same model.
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- potatoe506
Being honest, now that they've reduced the payouts, do you think you're more or less inclined to grind whatever race rewarded the most credits? About the same?
And what if they increased payouts? Do you think you'd be more or less inclined to grind? Because if it was me, I'd be much more likely to grind if it was only going to take me an hour to buy what I wanted, compared it to taking three hours or even more. Because the longer it takes the less worthwhile it seems to me.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're one of the players grinding for credits, you're probably doing it because you want to buy every car you can right? Especially the cars on rotation. Have you thought about why you're playing the game that way? Because it seems to me like you're playing the game in an non-enjoyable way, kind of like a chore, so you can buy everything, and then do what exactly? Play the game in a fun way? Why aren't you just playing the game in a fun way now?
Sorry if that comes off as patronising but I fail to see what the actual purpose is of grinding is right now. Are people doing it just so a number goes up? A lot of cars in the game don't even really fit into any of the content we currently have available to play through.
But WHY are you bothered about buying everything as quickly as you can? If you've realised that you don't have any content to play that you will find enjoyable, why are you bothered about buying cars for a game you seemingly don't want to play? What are you going to do when you collect everything? Stop playing? So why bother if you're not even enjoying the process?
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Is it that hard to understand that for many people, the driving/racing of whatever you want is the joy? Once I had a large portion of the cars in Sport, that is when the game truly became fun. It became, "what car do I want to race today, and at what track, and can i beat my best lap times with that car or with another car?" instead of, "what grind do I have to do today to be able to afford an LMP1 style car, the historical Le Mans cars, etc?"
I want to race. I want to drive. While there is some satisfaction in winning enough races to get credits to get cars, that wears thin with so many cars to buy, and ultimately there is more satisfaction in purely racing them than trying to earn them.
Different goals for different people. Maybe they should've setup different choices similar to difficulty levels so people who want to grind can choose lower overall payouts, and people who want to drive can choose higher payouts so they can just get on with it.
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- potatoe506
That's not what I said sorry, my point is that grinding the same race over and over again, just because it pays the most and not because it's actually fun, doesn't actually sound like it's the way you want to spend your time. Are you actually having any fun playing the way you are, because to be completely honest it sounds dreadful.
The game isn't just focused on the collection, it's about buying cars and actually using them. Drive them, race them online, take photos of them in scapes, make liveries for them. If the only reason you're playing right now is to fill in a checklist, and I know there are a lot of people out there who like to 100% the game and then move on even if they find it a bit of a chore at times, then unfortunately I don't think this game is for you because of how long that process is on GT7. Which is a shame, but the devs have made it so that it isn't possible to unlock everything super early in the game, they want it to be a short burn, at least in the short term as by the sound of things there will add future content that could change the way players are able to earn credits.
I do think the game should introduce more ways of earning credits even when you take part in the different sections of the game, like it would be cool if a player got some credits everytime someone liked one of their scape photos or downloaded one of their liveries. But let's be real, it doesn't matter how many ways of making money they introduce, some players are always just going to grind whatever activity gives the most credits in the least time.
Yeah I get that, but for me personally I already feel like I have a large and varied group of cars in my garage, especially via the freebies you get from single player content, although I will admit that I find it dissapointing that they didn't have menus to gift and race with higher end road and race cars, it would have been nice to have a menu to the Pagani Huayra I received, or to have a menu each on Gr.2 and Gr.1 cars.
While the game was offline yesterday I spent a lot of time doing exactly what you say, using a bunch of different cars on different tracks, trying to get to grips with them and to develop some nice setups for them, for example I took the Peugeot 205 Gr.B car and worked on getting a setup that worked on tarmac so I could take it round some race tracks,
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- Shottah072
It made sense to me.
Its the real driving simulator.
Having it so only rich people can buy the nicest cars just adds to that realism.
Its the real driving simulator.
Having it so only rich people can buy the nicest cars just adds to that realism.
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So the logic is that you reduce the payouts enough, the player will be disincentivized to not grind, human nature is to do the opposite, to grind more & maybe not at a healthy pace, putting more & more hours.
Since this won't discourage players from doing so, is the next update going to reduce the payouts even more.
The case of players completing a game to soon has always been there with games & GT7 is no exception, this isn't the way to slow the pace, while they try to add new content.
Since this won't discourage players from doing so, is the next update going to reduce the payouts even more.
The case of players completing a game to soon has always been there with games & GT7 is no exception, this isn't the way to slow the pace, while they try to add new content.
This is incredibly offensive. Did you last visit Asia in 1245?Not many folk understand Asian philosophy and social order. In many ways, they're still a feudal society with women still treated as second class citizens, and outsiders are considered barbarians. At least we Americans and Brits are cool barbarians.
Anyhow, yes, the notice makes sense for a company on the SONY leash. They own PD and Kaz both, after all.
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Played the game for a few hours after the servers were back up but this entire nerf just leaves a very sour taste… It feels like the fun has been completely removed from the game and I don’t have anything to do anymore. Or better worded, whatever I want to do makes no sense anymore because what’s the point of it all anyway if the payouts are so low. 24.000 Cr here, 30.000 Cr. there, pfff what is the f*ing point anyway. My motivation to keep playing right now is very close to 0.
I was really expecting that they would increase the payouts for custom races and time trials because those are AWEFUL. Then we would have the situation that Kaz supposedly wants, that people play the races they want. But no, instead they just nerf like the 2 dozen best rewarded campaign races and leave the disaster payouts for custom races like they are. Pathetic!
I honestly think I’m done with this game. I mean done playing just for fun. Because there is no fun anymore. I’ll just do my daily workout every day and that’s it. The bare minimum. Back to GRID Legends I guess, i still got loads of campaign races to do there and it was fun. But I stopped playing it for GT7. After 39 menu books, GT7 is completely dead for the singleplayer person. Whatever race i would even think about doing… completely pointless.
Massive disappontment. Is THIS really the singleplayer GT we had to wait for for 8 years? Sigh. 😔 R.I.P.
I was really expecting that they would increase the payouts for custom races and time trials because those are AWEFUL. Then we would have the situation that Kaz supposedly wants, that people play the races they want. But no, instead they just nerf like the 2 dozen best rewarded campaign races and leave the disaster payouts for custom races like they are. Pathetic!
I honestly think I’m done with this game. I mean done playing just for fun. Because there is no fun anymore. I’ll just do my daily workout every day and that’s it. The bare minimum. Back to GRID Legends I guess, i still got loads of campaign races to do there and it was fun. But I stopped playing it for GT7. After 39 menu books, GT7 is completely dead for the singleplayer person. Whatever race i would even think about doing… completely pointless.
Massive disappontment. Is THIS really the singleplayer GT we had to wait for for 8 years? Sigh. 😔 R.I.P.
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Seemed like a perfectly fine explanation to me about why the servers were down. These things happen and bugs come up. Would everyone be much happier to lose their save files instead? Also who is blasting through the whole game where they have to do so much grinding... ? I don't understand... things will even out just like Kaz is saying...gt is ment to be played over years and years along with updates that go along. I don't understand people on the internet just complaining about everything. You aren't forced to buy the mtx. More high paying races will be added along with tons of other things. You aren't ment to 'finish' the game in 2 weeks. I guess nobody has any patients anymore.
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My brother emigrated there, married to a Japanese girl. He's treated like a slave, and his mom-in-law who owns a pet crematorium business is basically treated like an employee by the boyfriend-manager who bilks the business of thousands every week, just because he's a dude and "she has to love him regardless." The kids, musicians and artists of all stripes hate how backwards the society still is in many ways, and are trying in vain to push it into something more "civilized." So, maybe, maybe not.
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Honestly, i too believe Kaz and i'm reasonably certain the reason he's 'pained' by not being able to tell us more is purely because of $ony. I think it was during or after GT5's time that he said somewhere that he doesn't like the idea of people/players paying for content, and wants it to always be free. Subsequently, in GT6 i think everything was free, unlike GT5?
$ony are the ones holding the purse strings here i'd say, they're responsible for the small race payouts in order to try replicate GTA Online's success (somewhat) by getting extra money from players via 'micro'transactions. I'd almost put a bet on this being the case, and unfortunately i don't think there's much Kaz can do about it. Hopefully he doesn't do a Hideo Kojima and leave Polyphony/Sony to start his own studio though.
But yeah. I'm just gonna play other games in the meantime, and if there's an update/fix/improvement/addition that i like the sound of i may fire it up to have a mosey. But i don't see that happening for a while.
$ony are the ones holding the purse strings here i'd say, they're responsible for the small race payouts in order to try replicate GTA Online's success (somewhat) by getting extra money from players via 'micro'transactions. I'd almost put a bet on this being the case, and unfortunately i don't think there's much Kaz can do about it. Hopefully he doesn't do a Hideo Kojima and leave Polyphony/Sony to start his own studio though.
But yeah. I'm just gonna play other games in the meantime, and if there's an update/fix/improvement/addition that i like the sound of i may fire it up to have a mosey. But i don't see that happening for a while.
Why would Sony dictate what he can say about planned future updates? They're nothing to do with it. That was all he said he was "pained" about, not the low payouts and MTs.Honestly, i too believe Kaz and i'm reasonably certain the reason he's 'pained' by not being able to tell us more is purely because of $ony. I think it was during or after GT5's time that he said somewhere that he doesn't like the idea of people/players paying for content, and wants it to always be free. Subsequently, in GT6 i think everything was free, unlike GT5?
$ony are the ones holding the purse strings here i'd say, they're responsible for the small race payouts in order to try replicate GTA Online's success (somewhat) by getting extra money from players via 'micro'transactions. I'd almost put a bet on this being the case, and unfortunately i don't think there's much Kaz can do about it. Hopefully he doesn't do a Hideo Kojima and leave Polyphony/Sony to start his own studio though.
But yeah. I'm just gonna play other games in the meantime, and if there's an update/fix/improvement/addition that i like the sound of i may fire it up to have a mosey. But i don't see that happening for a while.
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Do you play sport mode? Do you have enough gr.4 and gr.3 cars? I want most of those to try them out. Upgraded that's going to take ages to collect them all. Let alone the legendary cars and gr.1. Just wondering
Frankly you can get gr3 and 4 by completing some licenses and missions on gold and if or after you finish so called career you will have around 5 mil if you don't buy anything or spend on upgrades, so that should cover most of your needs, what if you don't want to do offline and want to get straight to online, now that's the problem, you either pay for it or play single-player
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, basically
I took Kaz at his word, and added some diversity to my gameplay with some online sport mode.
30 mins and 2 races later and I am 10k credits richer (came 3rd and 5th)
In short, the rewards and economy is completely broken, he can talk till the cows come home, but it's an undeniable fact.
30 mins and 2 races later and I am 10k credits richer (came 3rd and 5th)
In short, the rewards and economy is completely broken, he can talk till the cows come home, but it's an undeniable fact.
