Drift!

[ickypuppet]

i think were getting off track here. anywase.
hopefully pd team up with keiichi tsuchiya and other d1 racer in the next installment and/or have his white 86 in it too. pd need to add driftland from the drift bible as a track to practice drifting for beginners. a license test for 360, 90 or whatever angle turn also.

 

[JohnBM01]

I've heard of how tough Ebisu South is to drift on. Do you think the next GT should include Ebisu South?

 

[importedrice]

Look at Sean Hubinette sliding his 500+ hp Dodge Viper around America, the drifter so good he goes by the tagline of NOB (No One Better)

Not trying to rag on you, but NOB is the nickname of the HKS Silvia driver (Nobuteru Taniguchi) and not of Sam Hubinette

 

[Cap'n Jack]

THEY HAVE A DRIFTING SHOW ON TV?????
T_T - Why does Australia always miss out, Though if its on pay tv its a waste of money BHAHAAA, I sure I could find it on the net. AUS also missed out on "top gear" (was it called that?) the pommy car show.

On the note of driftng: Its simple to drift in gt3, Hard in GT4 at first, then its still dodgy, just gotta get used to half aceelaration before turning, and slow turn ins (for show). If the GT4 to GT5 physics can be changed to help drifting, they should get a clutch, and engine braking. (I HATE ENGINE BRAKING). But then drifters can use heel and toe, double clutching, Shift lock so on. Be cool if you could stall your car.

Wrong! We had Top Gear on cable. I watched it once, they had a drag between the HSV GTO and Jaguar XKR Supercarged convertable... HSV won.

 

[Gabkicks]

Not trying to rag on you, but NOB is the nickname of the HKS Silvia driver (Nobuteru Taniguchi) and not of Sam Hubinette

I'm pretty sure he meant that, but he just didnt use good english.


I think they left the drift mode out of gt4 because THey realised it exposed some big flaws in the praised gt4 physics engine.

 

[xsquizet-drifte]

but look at it now we got people drifting in gt4 like they have been drifting all their life, but it would be cool if they could make a sub gran turismo like using the engine and just make a drifting game and have all the d1 course and cars and formula d courses and cars pretty much be like the game d1 grand prix but with better graphics

 

[Gabkicks]

the drifting in gt4 doesnt feel quite right at lower speeds. Its fun but not as intuitive as it should be.

 

[German Muscle]

Like i said before, Polphony needs to concentrate on making GT4 more accurate, making the features better, and adding more cars, tracks and features. I wouldnt mind drifting in a GT game, i dont think it belongs in 5 because they need to make the game much more accurate and real. Besides what are the chances they would make drifting in the game right?

LMAO at the person who said after you put a LSD in a stock 240 you can drift. Its 80% driver, 20% car.

 

[Gabkicks]

i can drift a stock trueno.

 

[JohnBM01]

Some people say that one of the more disappointing aspects of GT4 was that the E-brake was unrealistic. Instead of being a means of drifting easier and better, it basically slides your car out in to crash, then allows you to drive off after smacking something. I thought it was pretty sad if you ask me. Since most drifters handbrake, do you think PD should remedy the handbraking deal to allow for smoother drifts?

Something else I kind of wondered is if there's perhaps a certain drift setup that makes cars such as GT4's Blitz Skyline D1GP car be so sweet in drifts. I think the first drift car I won in the game was that BP-sponsored old-school Mazda RX-7. I think the most disappointing drift car I tried to use was the HKS Genki Silvia. I couldn't really get it to drift in stock form. Looks b*tchin' to me, but not really in drifts. The most surprising drifter was the Nissan Skyline Pace Car. I pulled off some sick drifts at Costa di Amalfi and George V Paris. If you especially hate super-slow street courses, drifting these courses might make them more fun. It seems like rally cars and drift cars kind of have specialized setups that probably can't be acheived even if you have a fully-tuned car (Racing Suspension, Full Customize transmission, etc.).

Then too, I believe GTPlanet and some of its members have some drift setups for you to try out. It seems like anything from a Trueno to a Panoz Esperante GT1 can be drifted. Mid-engined cars can be tough to drift. I think you need the front-engine setup just to get more pull of the road. Unless you have succesfully drifted something like a Honda Beat or a Toyota MR-S, mid-engined cars take a bit more to get under control. So, I think getting it done right is trial and error.

 

[xsquizet-drifte]

i think you guys should check out the drift section i am in their all the time and look at the vids we have in thier to i think i would change yall opinions on alot of things

 

[JohnBM01]

ONE MORE TIME! GTPlanet, the most recent episode of "Formula D" featured the highlights of Round 3 of the Formula D championship in a special city. Which one? GTP, Round 3 in Houston, Texas, USA! From what I seen in commercials, the event looked like it took place around Six Flags Astroworld here locally. Now, the event is pretty old now, since it took place in June before the 24 Hours of Le Mans of 2005. Since the event took place around Six Flags Astroworld, so that's southeast, maybe south Houston. Meaning that in gangsta' talk, G4 reppin' my hood. In fact, the event took place in the parking lots of Reliant Stadium, home to the youngest NFL team today, the Houston Texans. A bit of history was made at this race as Yoshie Tsumada of Japan becomes the first lady to qualify in Formula D competition.

Since it's Houston in June, the temps were about 95 degrees Farenheit. The drift course seems like a combination of high-speed sections, and a healthy dosage of left-right-left switches around the course. I noted a lot of sweeping turns, even the first corner is a sweeping right. My hometown drift course is pretty technical to be honest. Houston was basically built in a flat place, so things will be different as you don't have elevation changes to affect the handling of the car. The only exception is that there are some bumps around the parking lot. Those little bumps can kind of throw you off-balance. And don't forget. This is the Houston heat the drifters are working with, so temperature can affect the cars and the drifters pretty bad. A Houstonian with a 240SX said that the 240SX was very much made for drifting. All you need is a few suspension mods and the Limited Slip Differential (LSD).

Highlights from what was on G4 TV show "Formula D" coming up. Stay tuned.

 

[JohnBM01]

As far as the tandem action went, Tyler McQuarrie looked impressive in his tandem against Texas' own "Bubba Drift." That Toyota Supra had beautiful entry into the clipping points. He was offline a bit, but I think McQuarrie connected for a good number of his drifts. Too bad he went down to "The Kid," Ken Gushi. It was surprising that Daijiro Yoshihara got upset by Team Falken's Seigo Yamamoto. Rhys Millen got that GTO sideways well in the Round of 16 as he easily won against James Bondurant's Lexus that was formerly a Grand-Am Cup car. Tanner Foust pulled off a major upset against Sam Hubinette in the quarterfinals. Taka Aono came off of a triple overtime against Sam Hubinette in a close fight, all to have his hachi-roku whacked the wall. Aono gave the win over to privateer Conrad Grunewald, who grew up in Houston. The other big dog in drifting, Rhys Millen was on point, as usual. Final Four was Tanner Foust and Conrad Grunewald, then Rhys Millen and Ken Gushi. Ken Gushi pulled off another upset beating Rhys Millen. The newest rule is that there are no more extra "ONE MORE TIMEs!" After one "ONE MORE TIME!" has been run already, the result was that Rhys Millen ended up in the Consolation Round where he won 3rd Place over Tanner Foust. The Finals went into an overtime deal with Ken Gushi and Conrad Grunewald. Sorry Houston couldn't win in Houston. Ken Gushi really is a wild child in drifting. He was on point with all or most of his drifts. He's only 18 or 19 years old, and this youngster has been referred to as the future of drifting. Could he be the next Keiichi Tusuchiya?

Extra notes- the Mustang drift cars are LOUD! The roar of American engines at this event was sweet. They can get the job done, though. Next round: Sonoma, CA, USA. I bet that means Sears Point. Houston was a tough drift course, and if PD wanted to implement a course like Houston, then it would be a big challenge. Remember, you have a sweeping right-hand corner after a long straight. So many cars understeered and perhaps out of contention. The course was bumpy with sweeping corners and quick left-right-left switchups. It's almost a drifter's nightmare. But it's interesting to consider if the next GT will have unique drift courses.

 

[McLaren]

That event was a joke.

It only showed Formula D judges lines more than how sideways the car actually got.

I thought drifting was about how sideways a car got. Which its obvious the 240SX was way more sideways than Gushi.
Forumla D only likes to judge the lines, the entry, and the how the car takes "the point."

F. D is a joke nowadays.

 

[JohnBM01]

Well, I'm going by Formula D because unless a lot of D1GP action is shown, I think it's still fair to go by this series to make my points on drifting. I'm somewhat of a show-and-tell guy, so I want to follow what I see in the media.

The International-A License Coffee Break kind of reminds me of a drift course. If the corners were smoother, I'd call it a nice drift course. The Coffee Break I'm talking about is the one which features the a Nissan 350Z (in a very nice red color, by the way) with a combination of slaloms, 90-degree corners, a chicane, a sweeping 180-degree section, then you must come to a stop. Without the fact that this is a racing test, this would otherwise be a nice oppurtunity to go sideways. Hell, I wouldn't race a Nissan 350Z, I'd take Blitz's drift car, that Skyline in Blitz's lineup in GT4. It's the easiest drifter to use, and I'd surely whip it around any Gymkhana configuration that includes slaloms, sweepers, and any combination of interesting corners.

 

[Yuichi]

If you want any D1 action, look out for the Video Option DVDs. The main feature of the DVDs is the D1GP rounds.

 

[McLaren]

If you want any D1 action, look out for the Video Option DVDs. The main feature of the DVDs is the D1GP rounds.

Yeah, I saw one at a store, tried to find a copy, and couldn't.
Haven't seen one since.

 

[greenjack]

THEY HAVE A DRIFTING SHOW ON TV?????
T_T - Why does Australia always miss out, Though if its on pay tv its a waste of money BHAHAAA, I sure I could find it on the net. AUS also missed out on "top gear" (was it called that?) the pommy car show.

On the note of driftng: Its simple to drift in gt3, Hard in GT4 at first, then its still dodgy, just gotta get used to half aceelaration before turning, and slow turn ins (for show). If the GT4 to GT5 physics can be changed to help drifting, they should get a clutch, and engine braking. (I HATE ENGINE BRAKING). But then drifters can use heel and toe, double clutching, Shift lock so on. Be cool if you could stall your car.

We are the LUCKY ONES?!?!? YOU get chasers, skylines and s15s!!!! Maybe it's just me, but I would totally give up some half assed tv show for any of those three cars.

 

[Lucifer_Satan]

I don't play the game but I do drift IRL...
I was going to buy the game, but if you don't have drifting events
Good luck~

 

[rallyeditionIII]

In Gran Turismo 5, all I want is a skinnier version of Trial Mountain and a Deep Forest track that is ONLY deep forest. hmmm and about the drifting...
i'd say bring back the realistic GT3 drifting engine.
that's about it.

 

[JohnBM01]

Gran Turismo 4 is pretty good for circuit racing. When it comes to rally and drifting, it's kind of hit-and-miss. You be the judge on if there were more hits or misses. I think the IA-License Coffee Break would have been a perfect drift course. I don't know too much about drifting, but I'm surely trying.

You people who own NFS:U games probably know about what drifting is all about. I think there has to be a certain element to actually judge the entry speed, angle of attack to the apex, and how well the drift is sustained. When I've tried to drift, I have two big flaws. The biggest flaw is being able to smoothly stay in drift without going out of control. If you seen some of the "Formula D" race coverage on G4, you'll know that at one point, if you don't control the car when sideways, you're bound to fly off track or into a wall. When I took ASM and TCS off the Blitz Skyline D1GP car, I was horrible! When I tried to guide the car correctly around a course, I end up unnecessarily spinning out. Even trying to countersteer in GT4, I get a drift going, but all of a sudden, the car spins the other way and can't control it. The last game I played with some of the worst drifts was the original "Ridge Racer." The second flaw I have is not being able to attack the apex as close as possible. I know it's fiction, but I remembered watching episodes of "Initial D," seeing the cars so close to the apex, maybe even lightly striking the wall.

If you have any other ideas for drifting, or what past and present (and maybe future) GT courses would make great drifting oppurtunities, reply now.

 

[JohnBM01]

Remember that I'm going by the action I see on G4 Videogame TV. While I can't wait good games get screwed at the G-Phoria awards show this coming Tuesday So while the action may be weeks and months old, I want to go by TV coverage so that we can all see the racing and make our own comments thereforth. Having said that, let's keep this moving.

After it was told to be about 95 degrees down here in Houston, TX, USA for Round Three of Formula D, Ken "The Kid" Gushi beat Houston local Grunevald for the event win. Now the series heads to California. If you're thinking SoCal, not this time, player! It's "NoCal," at Sears Point/Infineon Raceway. Northern California is the spot as the series is only some 30 miles north of the beautiful city (I want to go there one day) of San Francisco. While San Francisco is a beautiful place from the Golden Gate Bridge, to the Coit Tower, to the Transamerica Pyramid, many drift fans think that there's nothing sweeter than sideways kicking up smoke. The Houston drift course took place on the bumpy parking lot of around the Reliant Astrodome and Reliant Stadium area.

The Sonoma drift course seems like a chance to have some fun, since the course starts at high speed. There are only two clipping points. The right-turn radius gradually decreases. Then after a while, it basically becomes a LONG decreasing radius turn which quickly becomes a hairpin. At clipping point two, you'll have to slide your way to the left. After clearing that corner, you're going downhill to the finish. One of the big strategies mentioned was to treat the first clipping point as a double-apex turn. I couldn't really recognize what part of the track was being used at Sonoma. I thought it was maybe the drag strip portion of the Sportscar Course heading into that hairpin, then some extra areas added specifically for the drift course. Other than that, I can't tell what part of Sears Point/Infineon Raceway was being used.

Commentary on the drifting action from Sonoma in the next reply.

 

[JohnBM01]

Some of the stars in the Sweet Sixteen includes Y. Okubo's Nissan in Signal Auto livery, Team Falken, Taka Aono's silver and crimson hachi-roku, the Mopar Viper (defending overall champion) S. Hubinette, the yellow and blue GTO of Rhys Millen, not to mention Bubba Drift.

There were plenty of feint entries to set up the drift in the first sector. There was also controversy as Ryhs Millen induced a pass on Alex P. during a tandem, but the New Zealander (Millen) had both tires on the white line in taking an inappropriate line. He was disqualified and Pfeiffer moved on to the Final Four (of drifting, that is). Sam Hubinette, Rhys Millen, Taka Aono, and Ken Gushi were some of the big names taken out in the tournament. Team Falken had a great showing, even with some Falken tandems. With some of the beautifully-done Mazda RX-7s, I'm starting to like the 1993 and older RX-7s a bit more nowadays. If Houston is any indication, the last time, a hometown person lost in the finals (Houston, Gushi def. Grunewald), and in Northern California? Well, it's the very first time a Japanese car will win a Formula D event (about time, right?). It was Calvin Wan vs. Tanner Foust. It's take-no-prisoners racing that was more exciting than your average "dirt" track race.

My congratulations to the Top 3 (in order): Calvin Wan, Tanner Foust, and Vaughn Gittin Jr. With two rounds left, the next tandem battles will take place in Chicago.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

All the time I drifted in GT4, I wanted: more realistic smoke, and let it be forced away under the pressure of the tyres instead of a gentill cloud of heaven smoke, I WANT DANG SMOG COMING OUT UNDER THE CAR instead of gentill stuff while drifting lolcrazy:

MUCH louder noise when squeeling those tyres.

I want to see a more agressive reaction if you pull the handbrake. If anyone saw a gunluvS14 drift compilation, you once see an orange RX-7 and a green black kinda car that immediatly pulls on the handbrake in the first corner you see them. It's much more agressive, and in GT4 you barely notice the disturbances it should cause...

 

[Gabkicks]

that handbreak has always been useless in the gran turismo series.

 

[Woolie Wool]

Drifting is anathema to GT, in my opinion. GT is about traditional racing, not showing off. Drifting needs its own game series.

 

[Woolie Wool]

We are the LUCKY ONES?!?!? YOU get...skylines....!!!!

There's an Infiniti G35 (aka V35 Skyline) out there somewhere that's just waiting for a new owner. Why don't you go buy one if you love Skylines so much?

 

[JohnBM01]

Yeah, why not get an Infiniti G35? After all, Calvin Wan won in an Infiniti G35 drift car at Sonoma. Why not be your own Calvin Wan? Tune that G35 to perfection in GT4, and be the drifter you've always wanted to be!

Okay, maybe Wan isn't Keiichi Tsuchiya or anybody, but at least someone made the G35 driftable. According to an old issue of Super Street magazine that any car can go sideways. To me, I've found success drifting with rear-wheel drive and some four-wheel drivers. Some of my favorite drifts have been with the Mazda RX-7 Type RS in GT3. You already know I'm a big fan of the Blitz Skyline with drifting. The one thing I've been wondering is if the Nissan 240SX is really a great out-the-box drift car. Usually when I think of the Silvias, I think about a machine I call the most beautiful modern Japanese car, the Nissan S15 Silvia Spec-R Aero. I think "Donbenni" or someone vectored a blue S15 Silvia for me, since I said that I liked the car in either that beautiful blue color or in silver.

You know, people. I want to say that I actually KNOW drifting, but I often wish that I could follow D1GP more. Then I'd probably know more about the drift scene more than I'm trying to know more about. Like I said, Team Falken had a great showing at Sonoma. But the only place I've seen Signal Auto represented was in import/sport compact magazines. I've seen the Signal Auto Nissan drift cars, even a Signal Auto chop-top Civic in drag racing. I try to expand my horizon in being an automotive enthusiast and as a motorsports enthusiast. It's usually rare to have someone be an enthusiast of automobiles and motorsport at once. I'm not bragging, though. Just saying.

GT4 features D1GP cars, but the one I got into the most was the Blitz Skyline D1GP car because it was the easiest for me to learn sideways. Plus, I've been successful drifting around slow corners because I'm an aggressive GT racer. The HKS drifter kind of disappointed me as I wasn't able to get that sideways swing that I wanted in the turns.

 

[Gabkicks]

Drifting is anathema to GT, in my opinion. GT is about traditional racing, not showing off. Drifting needs its own game series.

not exactly.... The creator says GT's main focus is the driving experience. enjoying the car, and its handling. Savoring the winding roads and straightaways. I think drifting fits into that. Drifting isnt just about showing off. its just another way to enjoy the car.


........................
to the post above. a few new cars seem undriftable. but once you disable or remove the VDC, it drifts just fine. the episode Best motoring episode "Rotary Reborn" illustrates this.

 

[TEK[R]]

When GT5 is released with online they should have a drift mode where (human)judges watch the drifter and give a score in the end,in real time

Wow! Great point. But I would be leary of haveing any body doing the judging, you know how people love to hate...