Drifting VS Grip - Video Demo

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The Video:

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http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0SCTH5PK7KS8L3NAB2ZSHOGU9U

Alright, I know the answer depends on what type of track and car. So here's the specs:

Race: Special Condition Hall
Track: Costa di Amalfi
Drift Car (driven by me): 246psi Nissan 180sx Type X (chaser)
Grip Car (driven by AI): 301psi Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI RS TME (leader)

What surprised me was during the race, my underpowered 180sx was able to PUSH the lan evo, regardless of it's 4WD exit-speed advantage. i wasn't busting full-counter drifts, i mean i'm racing not putting on a drift show :) As u can see in the video, there was plenty of oppurtunities to overtake him, but i didn't, just wanted to see how well my drift technique keeps up with the lancer. I'm sure it would have been a better match if the opponent wasn't an AI, grip is definitely faster, but drifting has a good chance on the downhills.
anyway, enjoy the video.

Please PM me for re-upload requests.
 
Not bad. It seems more like a controlled power slide than anything else, but still a cool vid.
 
Yeah, I personally don't understand how that evo didn't leave you behind.


He was obviously really slow in the corners, but still.

Put me behind the wheel and see what happens :sly:
 
Slurp
Yeah, I personally don't understand how that evo didn't leave you behind.


He was obviously really slow in the corners, but still.

Put me behind the wheel and see what happens :sly:
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Ok, well this is one of the first thought out ways to make a comparisson. So I give you respect for that. But the thing is, it was against AI. If that was a two player battle, there would be much more validity to what you're trying to prove.

I believe if the driver is good enough he can beat a "grip" driver. However, if the driver using grip techniques is good, then it shouldn't be nearly as close as it was. Especially with the HP difference and good settings.
 
The AI had alot of chances to go ahead to a point that he will lose, even he did lose and vice versa, he had alot of chances of gaining ahead but didn't actually take it. He did a drift even he wasn't suppose to. overall, he did ok, you hit the wall like once.Try to make a video with the AI thats a FR and has the same HP
 
Makes me think of A-spec versus B-spec modes. Many races i have won with ease in A-spec mode but in the same championship in B-spec mode, the AI driver just couldnt keep up.

AI takes the turns too slow so if you can take turns quick and have quicker accelleration you will always win.

*home from work - watched video...

cool video, on one of my favorite tracks too. looks like a fun way to practice.
 
Back in GT3 times, flohtingPoint made a video that he in a 240SX made two runs in Deep Forest. One with the car tuned for drifting and other with it tuned for grip.
It was a free run, so he could push it. Of course, the grip time was faster than the drift one. But by a really small margin. That was a nice vid.
Someone should do it again in GT4, in a track that has slow speed and fast speed corners.
 
dkstz
Back in GT3 times, flohtingPoint made a video that he in a 240SX made two runs in Deep Forest. One with the car tuned for drifting and other with it tuned for grip.
It was a free run, so he could push it. Of course, the grip time was faster than the drift one. But by a really small margin. That was a nice vid.
Someone should do it again in GT4, in a track that has slow speed and fast speed corners.
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Why not the ring, and why not with like 5-6 different cars. Because each car is going to have it's own profile, if you think about it a Rx7 drift Vs a Rx7 Grip is going to be a closer race than say a Evo Drift Vs Evo Grip
 
Driftster
Why not the ring, and why not with like 5-6 different cars. Because each car is going to have it's own profile, if you think about it a Rx7 drift Vs a Rx7 Grip is going to be a closer race than say a Evo Drift Vs Evo Grip
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Yeah, but who could do that? Someone with plenty oftime and experience in setting up a car...
Also, it`s easier get a car with almost neutral balance. Without too much understeer and oversteer, like a NSX i think. If i only had GT4 i would gladly do that...but not even a PS2 i have at the moment :nervous:
 
the reason i chose this track and these cars is because of the disadvantages and advantages. a track like the ring with it's long straights after each corner would have too much advantages towards a 4WD car, especially with the power difference. a track like the one that i chose has narrow sharp turns, provoking understeer for a 4WD grip racing car. drifting has a more aggressive entrance , so if you have the skill to keep the car stable, you would be able to keep up. If the pilot of the lan evo wasn't an AI, i would have kept with it on the narrow turns and the downhill, but the 180 wouldn't stand a chance. If I were to take a lap on the 180 and drive it like how i did in the video without the AI in my way, and compare with a lap time with me in the evo doing a grip run, evo's time would've been shorter by a few seconds, regardless of the advantages and disadvantages i took into account.
 
Sweet. I had the same idea, and I wanted to do it with my cousin on GT3. He would coperate though, so it never got started. I wanted both of use to stay close together, so I want both of use to have equal hp cars. I told him I want to use a 300hp car, and he wanted to use his F1 car.
 
Why not do practice run, and use the ghost as the comparison?

Thats what i do for practice, although trying to race normally doesnt work really well when the car is tuned for drifting, but you can load/save ghosts, so its all good.
 
now that's a very good video, and nice driving too. I liked the track, and the way you keep up with the EVO (although the AI is slow at corners) at corners is very cool, look very much like a touge battle, good stuff :)
 
Driftster
Why not the ring, and why not with like 5-6 different cars. Because each car is going to have it's own profile, if you think about it a Rx7 drift Vs a Rx7 Grip is going to be a closer race than say a Evo Drift Vs Evo Grip
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dkstz
Yeah, but who could do that? Someone with plenty oftime and experience in setting up a car...
Also, it`s easier get a car with almost neutral balance. Without too much understeer and oversteer, like a NSX i think. If i only had GT4 i would gladly do that...but not even a PS2 i have at the moment :nervous:
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Would you guys like to see something like this? I don't know how entertaining it would be though. 5-6 different cars, and overtake them one by one? I don't know about the ring, maybe tsukuba. use the same type, an underpowered drift car, and go up against nsx's, fd's, skylines, and others in that class? i'll give it a shot, but it seems like it would be a bit boring to watch. other ppl please attempt as well, i wanna see other ppl's performances :)
 
Good attempt at proving a point :)

I think Blue's idea is good because if you load your own ghost and then race/drift against that, then at least we know that the same driver is driving (assuming that your drift skill is the same as your racing skill, but that will be hard to prove).

Using the same car helps also ;)
 
As the drift king says, you can't beat a grip driver drifting unless you've done it for a while, but I'm a real big fan of touge, two thumbs up....and was that initial d style racing, or pass other car out and win type of racing
 
damnit....the thing thats reallly starting to piss me off is i cant figure out
how to drift on hairpins or really tight corners(either i dont know the right line or i
cant figure out how to control the car at slower speeds)i can pretty much drift trial mountain perfectly but Tsukuba is becoming a real pain in the ass :banghead: can someone show me some pictures or links that illustrate the right drifting line for hairpins? 👍

BTW can you post the settings of that 240 :D
 

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