DS3= Noob Drifting?

[risewithefallen]

theres no doubt that drifting with the wheel is vastly more difficult, i've tried it before and only managed a few thousand points on a full lap. this does not mean that using ds3 takes no skill, however. i use the ds3 for drift and i still spin out a fair bit. i don't think that the drifting itself is much different either way but controlling the car and making it look good is much more difficult.

 

[Culkin]

how about we stop labeling people and just have fun drifting?

Are you mad? that would require the GT5 community to grow up!!....and thats impossible lol

 

[uberlight25]

Are you mad? that would require the GT5 community to grow up!!....and thats impossible lol

lol I forgot, my bad

 

[Culkin]

lol I forgot, my bad

Haha but in all seriousness your right been labelled something like a "noob" because you use a DS3 rather then a steering wheel is just petty, it sounds like a kid been picked on for wearing trainers that aint desinger label in high school and I class that as childish!

p.s im a ds3 and a wheel user except the wheel is a usb PC logitech momo one so doesnt work too well

 

[jimy281090]

Sensitivity Settings for DS3? -2! it just ruins the game for racing and drifting when people use anything higher than 0 as its not how the car would react normally!

 

[SKR-Kaizer]

Not many people have achieve on the "smoothness" thing i was talking about, there are only about less than 3 people on my 30 people list of good DS3 drifters who can really do that.
but that's what divide the fields of level.

People who have yet to really drift with a DS3 will never understand. The steering wheel that control by the analog stick will become much lighter when the rear end of the car slip, to keep the front wheel to turn slowly/naturally, accurately/steadily, and smoothly like the G25, G27 with 900 degrees of advantage is a totally different dimension of skills compare to just "drift and stay on the course, but SWINGING the front wheels that looks like an idiot".
It "feels" easy to keep ur thumb move steady on that analog stick, but then when u watch ur replay, u will realize that u are not even close.
To perform the same aggressiveness as the swinging front wheels with such smooth movement with the DS3 is even harder.

Of course, here I'm not saying DS3 > steering wheel. To me, anyone who can mastered the wheel is always superior, but just by being able to use a wheel doesn't put u to the top. We just require different types of skills, and we both have our own disadvantage and advantage, labeling other people as noob just because u think urself is better is very insulting and not respectful.

 

[jimy281090]

i agree!! i can nearly keep it smooth but that means concentrating too hard on keeping it smooth and not the more important stuff! therefor i dont get too upset.

 

[Darktuna]

Not many people have achieve on the "smoothness" thing i was talking about, there are only about less than 3 people on my 30 people list of good DS3 drifters who can really do that.
but that's what divide the fields of level.

People who have yet to really drift with a DS3 will never understand. The steering wheel that control by the analog stick will become much lighter when the rear end of the car slip, to keep the front wheel to turn slowly/naturally, accurately/steadily, and smoothly like the G25, G27 with 900 degrees of advantage is a totally different dimension of skills compare to just "drift and stay on the course, but SWINGING the front wheels that looks like an idiot".
It "feels" easy to keep ur thumb move steady on that analog stick, but then when u watch ur replay, u will realize that u are not even close.
To perform the same aggressiveness as the swinging front wheels with such smooth movement with the DS3 is even harder.

Of course, here I'm not saying DS3 > steering wheel. To me, anyone who can mastered the wheel is always superior, but just by being able to use a wheel doesn't put u to the top. We just require different types of skills, and we both have our own disadvantage and advantage, labeling other people as noob just because u think urself is better is very insulting and not respectful.

Kudos to this guy. He gets it. Its a game, enjoy it the way you want to enjoy it. Be it a wheel, or DS3, we all have one thing in common, the love of drifting, and driving cars 👍👍

 

[OLDSKOOLACURA]

Buying something is not the point, its about skills required, wheel drifting is for sure alot harder, and for wheel users DS3 drifting is a bit too easy once we get used to the wheel, most people can pick up a controller, play GT5 for the first time, and drift o.k. within a day, it takes weeks for someone who can already drift with a controller to be good with a wheel. Thats where it comes from.

yep, I have a wheel and I was trying and trying (still am) to drift with it and it is hard, i'll get a good drift with it here and there. I use the DS3 controller and I can drift anything in any game.

 

[Willfred_1]

i would have to agree i use a ds3 i can drift alright but it just looks stupid in the replays as i am an average drifter but the front wheels look like there are having a fit due to the lack of of smoothness in the ds3 and probably my style of drifting.

 

[P_Lav]

Drifting smoothly with a controller is very difficult. I put my sensitivity to -2 but wish you could make it even less sensetive. Take the DFGT for example, it has 900 degrees of rotation where even the largest of steering inputs looks smooth. Now, try doing those same inputs on a small plastic stick with only an inch of movement. Its not easy. I would be using wheel but mine died and Im waiting on a new one from the place it was ordered. Anyone that calls a person using controller a noob is either way too cocky and full of themselves or very immature. Probably both. If anything I think it is more difficult to drift with minimal steering inputs in a smooth fashion on controller. Its like comparing driving a car with a steering wheel vs. driving one using only the cigarette lighter. Makes sense now, doesnt it? Just because mommy and daddy bought you a G27 cockpit doesnt make you any better of a drifter than somone who either doesnt want one or cant afford it. End of topic.

I can speak for half of the people here who own wheels, that we live under our own roofs, pay our own bills, and can buy our own wheel, did I have the cash to buy it all at once? No, I put aside bit by bit, until I could afford one, just like most people with a G27. This thread isn't about which has smoother inputs, even the best DS3 drifters have the wheel flick, the reason is the ability to go lock to lock instantly, it involves less throttle control, than using a wheel, you don't need an understanding of driving fundamentals to drift with the DS3, yes it helps, but they're not to the level needed for wheel users. There's no clutch, there's no heel-toe required, its a simple matter of pushing buttons, and using a control stick, and to anyone who plays any amounts of games like COD, this comes naturally. Its not the cost, I'm not saying if you use a DS3, you are a noob, but you aren't to the level of wheel users, using a wheel takes practice. I can literally drift circles around almost anyone with a DS3, I can drift almost any circuit, manji linking every corner together into one continuous drift, and bust out 360 drift entries. Can I do that with a wheel? Hell no, I would need years, why? Because the quickness of the steering response is not there, and it takes true car control, throttle, brakes, steering, weight transfer, etc.

 

[SKR-Kaizer]

I can speak for half of the people here who own wheels, that we live under our own roofs, pay our own bills, and can buy our own wheel, did I have the cash to buy it all at once? No, I put aside bit by bit, until I could afford one, just like most people with a G27. This thread isn't about which has smoother inputs, even the best DS3 drifters have the wheel flick, the reason is the ability to go lock to lock instantly, it involves less throttle control, than using a wheel, you don't need an understanding of driving fundamentals to drift with the DS3, yes it helps, but they're not to the level needed for wheel users. There's no clutch, there's no heel-toe required, its a simple matter of pushing buttons, and using a control stick, and to anyone who plays any amounts of games like COD, this comes naturally. Its not the cost, I'm not saying if you use a DS3, you are a noob, but you aren't to the level of wheel users, using a wheel takes practice. I can literally drift circles around almost anyone with a DS3, I can drift almost any circuit, manji linking every corner together into one continuous drift, and bust out 360 drift entries. Can I do that with a wheel? Hell no, I would need years, why? Because the quickness of the steering response is not there, and it takes true car control, throttle, brakes, steering, weight transfer, etc.

I just said drifting with DS3 is much easier to start with, but very difficult to achieve what a wheel are capable to do(Smoothness), by this i didn't mean DS3 is more difficult than Wheel, but they both have their own challenges that requires the user to get use to and practice. (I have a GTFP so i know how hard it is.)

Here you were just repeating all the things again. Enough.

 

[limepie]

I have a driving force pro. I'm pretty convinced drifting with it is impossible.

From my own personal experience it goes (easiest to hardest)
DS3
350Z (IRL)
driving force pro.

Frustrating when its much easier to drift a real car than it is in GT5.

 

[LFA]

At the end of the day, if you can make your car go sideways and spit out smoke, I think that's all that matters.

Wheel or DS3, the end result is still the same.

Most of these people drifting on the wheel have the FFB dropped anyways. I'd like to see them attempt drifting in a real car on actual Tarmac; Then you can call it "Skill."

 

[P_Lav]

At the end of the day, if you can make your car go sideways and spit out smoke, I think that's all that matters.

Wheel or DS3, the end result is still the same.

Most of these people drifting on the wheel have the FFB dropped anyways. I'd like to see them attempt drifting in a real car on actual Tarmac; Then you can call it "Skill."

Its actually a lot easier to drift a real car, you can feel it more, and in no way does a high FFB translate into the feeling you get when you counter-steer, its much firmer than in a real car.



I guess I can call it "Skill"

(Note underpowered NA FC, I only owned it for 3 months when I took this vid)

 

[SKOT_FREE]

I have a wheel but my number 1 problem with using it is the placement of the Ebrake buttons. I basically need the Ebrake to adjust my angle, but with the steering wheel turning I can't always access it when I need it. It's very annoying so I use the controller! It's really not easier to use. You sacrifice being able to precisely Hit the Accelerator and Brake for having access to Ebrake.

 

[Powellx235]

I have a wheel but my number 1 problem with using it is the placement of the Ebrake buttons. I basically need the Ebrake to adjust my angle, but with the steering wheel turning I can't always access it when I need it. It's very annoying so I use the controller! It's really not easier to use. You sacrifice being able to precisely Hit the Accelerator and Brake for having access to Ebrake.

What i did with my dfgt is got a broken ds3 and glued a bottom cut marker to the analogue and get a plank of wood and glue the ds3 to that. Works great!
Will put pics up tomorrow...... Maybe

 

[StangBanger302]

DS3 drift is easy to learn, but difficult to master.

It's not an simple task to make the drift look as good as skillful driver with the steering wheel.
For normal DS3 users, their front wheel often swing like crazy in the corners that it almost look stupid, that's a advantage (quick adjust) but also a flaw at the same time.

Can you imagine keeping ur front wheel extremely stable and counter through the whole corner + linking with that analog stick? The replay will shows u whether u can do it or not.
However, that's what I'm doing all the time. It's fun and challenging, to pretend to be a wheel user lol

I would rather break the drift if I couldn't achieve that movement. "Turn in" my front wheel during a drift is not acceptable.

I honestly thought you were a wheel user when I drifted with you...**** is crazy! lol Keep up the good work man! :tup

 

[SKOT_FREE]

What i did with my dfgt is got a broken ds3 and glued a bottom cut marker to the analogue and get a plank of wood and glue the ds3 to that. Works great!
Will put pics up tomorrow...... Maybe

I was thinking of something like that but didn't even know where to begin. so wait you can use wheel plus the DS3 at The same time?

 

[zedfonsie]

At first when I used a ds3 it was pretty difficult. My fingers kept slipping off.
I also have a g27 but right now it has a calibration problem and might being sending it back. But I also got speed freaks.
Basically what it does is it prevents your fingers from slipping. Giving you more precise and more controllable movements. I would highly recommend them to anyone who uses a ds3:tup:

 

[Powellx235]

I was thinking of something like that but didn't even know where to begin. so wait you can use wheel plus the DS3 at The same time?

Yes but the ds3 has to be number 1

 

[SKOT_FREE]

Ooooh I see, just make one of the sticks the Ebrake, then sit it next to the Wheel.....I have to try that one. Thanks for the tip!

 

[Powellx235]

Ooooh I see, just make one of the sticks the Ebrake, then sit it next to the Wheel.....I have to try that one. Thanks for the tip!

ffor some reason i cant upload the pics.


what you need:
wheel stand pro,
dfgt,
piece of wood 240mmx100mm
superglue,
a ds3,
and something for a stick.
i got a marker and pulled the end out of it. lucily it fitted perfectly, but i still glued it as it tends to slip off. then i glued the controller to the piece of wood to stop it sticking.
any questions, feel free to ask.

 

[Powellx235]

Ooooh I see, just make one of the sticks the Ebrake, then sit it next to the Wheel.....I have to try that one. Thanks for the tip!

for some reason i cant upload the pics.


what you need:
wheel stand pro,
dfgt,
piece of wood 240mmx100mm
superglue,
a ds3,
and something for a stick.
i got a marker and pulled the end out of it. lucily it fitted perfectly, but i still glued it as it tends to slip off. then i glued the controller to the piece of wood to stop it sticking.
any questions, feel free to ask.

 

[Ryou]

No, I would not count it as "Noob drifting", it's just the DS3 can only take you so far. The wheel is better, but can be challenging, it depends on people's thoughts.

 

[E28]

Drifting with a wheel is hard. I had 600hp C63 AMG's with comfort hards mastered with the DS3 but now it's a struggle to perform a rubbish powerslide in a Cappuccino RM! I can hold the slide, but a soon as I pull out the car snaps one way, so I yank the wheel the other way and hello Mr. Wall!

 

[P_Lav]

for some reason i cant upload the pics.


what you need:
wheel stand pro,
dfgt,
piece of wood 240mmx100mm
superglue,
a ds3,
and something for a stick.
i got a marker and pulled the end out of it. lucily it fitted perfectly, but i still glued it as it tends to slip off. then i glued the controller to the piece of wood to stop it sticking.
any questions, feel free to ask.

I'm not sure about wiring up the DFGT to a switch, but I have wired up a automotive push button switch like you can find at Autozone, and soldered it to the circuit board in the G27 shifter, so that it taps into the circle button, it works great. I used an axe handle as a lever, ziptied the switch in position, and when I pull on the lever, it pushes the switch, closes the circuit, and the button on the shift functions normally as well. The tutorial to do it is on Chilicoke.com.

Before I did that mod, I just ziptied the DS3 to my rig, and used the lever to push on the L2 button, and that worked fine too, was a bit less reliable, and finicky becuase the controller would move around in the zipties, but it didn't mean wasting a perfectly good controller.

 

[Powellx235]

I'm not sure about wiring up the DFGT to a switch, but I have wired up a automotive push button switch like you can find at Autozone, and soldered it to the circuit board in the G27 shifter, so that it taps into the circle button, it works great. I used an axe handle as a lever, ziptied the switch in position, and when I pull on the lever, it pushes the switch, closes the circuit, and the button on the shift functions normally as well. The tutorial to do it is on Chilicoke.com.

Before I did that mod, I just ziptied the DS3 to my rig, and used the lever to push on the L2 button, and that worked fine too, was a bit less reliable, and finicky becuase the controller would move around in the zipties, but it didn't mean wasting a perfectly good controller.

You cant wire up a switch. (at least from what i heard) so when i was bored i did it. I put a load of rubber bands to it for much more resistance as it was floppy and i superglued it to the plank so it cannot move.

 

[P_Lav]

I guarantee theres a way, its just simple electricity, complete the circuit; sends the control signal to the playstation.

 

[Powellx235]

I guarantee theres a way, its just simple electricity, complete the circuit; sends the control signal to the playstation.

There probably a way but i'd imagine theres alot more work and complication into it with all the wires on the one wheel.