DTM - Assigned car league - Sundays 8pm GMT
- Thread starter worduphomes
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- 1,528
- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
Well done Scale! Nice work on running the championship Homes. We had 2 drivers from each class in the top six. I think the system worked well. From the second race at Deep Forest on, I figured out how to race. I feel like I could have had 3rd or 4th in the championship had I been smarter from the beginning. Thanks for cluing me in on some things guys. I was too dumb to figure it out on my own obviously 
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- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
i will be doing some tests tomorrow race length to look at tire wear
fastest laps average lap and the slowest
ive only got driving lessons so plenty of time to kill
might do deep forest, montegi, suzuka or tokyo. i put all my data in a spread sheet
and go ocd on it
fastest laps average lap and the slowest
ive only got driving lessons so plenty of time to kill
might do deep forest, montegi, suzuka or tokyo. i put all my data in a spread sheet
and go ocd on it
- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
heres the results fore deep forest
alll car are the premium versions
all at 527
gearbox set at 168mph
auto gariya
best 1.11.885
slowest 1.19.6
average 1.14.259
notes
this car is way faster than others but all the quick laps were done with fresh tyres there is what i would call a honeymoon period where for 3-4 laps you have amazing grip and it handles superbly then after this period it goes to tyre management as i couldn't mange a 2 stopper with 20 laps on the last lap my rear right tyre went the rear tyres lasted 6-7 laps the rate of wear on the rear tyres are more than any thing else i have tested not even my tt or gt500 nsx's were that bad.
wedsport lexus
best 1.15.02
worst 1:21.8
average 1.17.37
Notes
omfg is this car slow this definitly needs a turbo it suffers from some oversteer on particular corners but the rear comes out slowly so easy to control.
the front wear is good but apex speed were alot slower this could be assigned to scale without the turbo
Cusco scooby
best 1.13.785
worst 1.19.57
average 1.14.68
notes
this car is a dream to handle when driven correctly
the wear is heavier on the front on this track but is overall more even
i could have made it to lap 10 or 11 on one set but i span of the last corner and into the pits this has alot of potenial with the right driver and is suprisngly quick by having the turbo on the car as standerd makes a big difference to the na cars the standerd turbo really comes into it's own out of the corners
RX7
best 1.12.74
worst 1.17.8
average 1.14.19
notes
the car is extremely stable and was one of the two to nearly hit the rev limiter in 6th the apex speed are marginally slower that the gariya but the the wear was on about par with the cusco.
this could post more consistent times than auto garyia becuse frip levels stayed roughly the same till a quarter of tread left
overall
the auto gariya needs to run abit lower pp as they can creat a good lead in the star but by lap 3-4 the cusco and rx7 would start to catch
the lexuse would need more bhp or pp the rx7 could stay the sam and the cusco increased by 1 or 2 pp
alll car are the premium versions
all at 527
gearbox set at 168mph
auto gariya
best 1.11.885
slowest 1.19.6
average 1.14.259
notes
this car is way faster than others but all the quick laps were done with fresh tyres there is what i would call a honeymoon period where for 3-4 laps you have amazing grip and it handles superbly then after this period it goes to tyre management as i couldn't mange a 2 stopper with 20 laps on the last lap my rear right tyre went the rear tyres lasted 6-7 laps the rate of wear on the rear tyres are more than any thing else i have tested not even my tt or gt500 nsx's were that bad.
wedsport lexus
best 1.15.02
worst 1:21.8
average 1.17.37
Notes
omfg is this car slow this definitly needs a turbo it suffers from some oversteer on particular corners but the rear comes out slowly so easy to control.
the front wear is good but apex speed were alot slower this could be assigned to scale without the turbo
Cusco scooby
best 1.13.785
worst 1.19.57
average 1.14.68
notes
this car is a dream to handle when driven correctly
the wear is heavier on the front on this track but is overall more even
i could have made it to lap 10 or 11 on one set but i span of the last corner and into the pits this has alot of potenial with the right driver and is suprisngly quick by having the turbo on the car as standerd makes a big difference to the na cars the standerd turbo really comes into it's own out of the corners
RX7
best 1.12.74
worst 1.17.8
average 1.14.19
notes
the car is extremely stable and was one of the two to nearly hit the rev limiter in 6th the apex speed are marginally slower that the gariya but the the wear was on about par with the cusco.
this could post more consistent times than auto garyia becuse frip levels stayed roughly the same till a quarter of tread left
overall
the auto gariya needs to run abit lower pp as they can creat a good lead in the star but by lap 3-4 the cusco and rx7 would start to catch
the lexuse would need more bhp or pp the rx7 could stay the sam and the cusco increased by 1 or 2 pp
- 3,664
- Bristol
- priesty_lfc
Have the final regs been confirmed yet?
I'm getting my screen this week so I wanna start running some laps to see where I am time wise with you guys.
I'm getting my screen this week so I wanna start running some laps to see where I am time wise with you guys.
- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
im not gonna put up the other two tests as i found the same results with montegi and Tokyo and i cant be arsed to play around to find the the perfect pp for each so i canall get similar times with all
but what I have thought of is this
if we have four teams of three
one team for each premium car
so
could every one put down the order of preference for cars then once we allocated two potential cars we can get a couple of quick guys to post some fast laps round several tracks we can then put a pp limit on every one and slowly increase pp by two till the fast guys are matched for time (with in x amount of time)then there pp is locked at that we will then increase it till every one is within the x amount of time we will then note downs every one pp
to keep it balanced if we we have half an hour to 3/4 of free practise we can then lower some ones pp if there exceedingly quick i know its a very long winded process but if we put enough testing in to this series the system wont be a problem
but what I have thought of is this
if we have four teams of three
one team for each premium car
so
could every one put down the order of preference for cars then once we allocated two potential cars we can get a couple of quick guys to post some fast laps round several tracks we can then put a pp limit on every one and slowly increase pp by two till the fast guys are matched for time (with in x amount of time)then there pp is locked at that we will then increase it till every one is within the x amount of time we will then note downs every one pp
to keep it balanced if we we have half an hour to 3/4 of free practise we can then lower some ones pp if there exceedingly quick i know its a very long winded process but if we put enough testing in to this series the system wont be a problem
- 569
- CT / SA
- driverone0one
So this sounds that the following could happen using Will's info.
Slow Drivers / Fast Car:
Auto Gariya
Medium Drivers / Medium Car:
RX7
Fast Drivers / Slow Car:
Cusco Scooby
Drop the Lexus as its useless.
Slow Drivers / Fast Car:
Auto Gariya
Medium Drivers / Medium Car:
RX7
Fast Drivers / Slow Car:
Cusco Scooby
Drop the Lexus as its useless.
- 569
- CT / SA
- driverone0one
Lets race later....normal time.
- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
noi think the lexus could be useful but its pp would be much higher
anddont forget that i had only doen 5 minute tunes so some might have hit a handling sweet spot and some were dire as im not that great as tunning mr in gt5
anddont forget that i had only doen 5 minute tunes so some might have hit a handling sweet spot and some were dire as im not that great as tunning mr in gt5
- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
the scooby about the same as the rx7 for tire wear
- 569
- CT / SA
- driverone0one
Thats cool, I was just going on Will's test, maybe I am jumping the gun a bit, you right Flanked, lets all have a test and we can make proper decisions.
- 479
- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
Guys, after last nights testing I have been thinking...
I know this will seem a little complicated but stick with me here. I found that unlike the more powerfull DTM and GT500 cars these cars seem a little 'bland'. It is difficult to overtake because you are not going that much faster than your opponent, even with drafting (unless you are on the straight at Monza for example).
Our lap times are much more consistent with the GT300 cars because the margain for error is so much less at lower speeds and that means it is much more difficult to catch cars ahead (because they aren't making mistakes) if you do happen to have an incident.
I therefore propose 3 things (all subject to testing of course):
1) Everyone gets assigned their own base PP for the car they drive but are still assigned an overall group (eg: Rubens Berger etc).
2) The range of differences in PP is bigger than in the DTM series to artificially create speed differences and also accomodate some of the guys who still needed a bit more in the DTM series.
3) The base PP for each driver in the 'Ayrton Schumacher' (fast) group stays the same for all circuits, but it changes slightly for everyone else depending on the track.
So for Example:
On a fast track with less corners, the whole field drives at their base PP.
On a track with an average amount of corners;
The 'Rubens Berger' (medium group) gets base PP +4
The 'Damon hill' (slow group) gets base PP +8
On a twisty track;
The 'Rubens Berger' (medium group) gets base PP +8
The 'Damon hill' (slow group) gets base PP +12
Thanks for the awesome testing work Will
I am working on a spreadhsheet that indexes the cars and the drivers which will hopefully help us work out who gets what car at what PP but I need more people to do a similar test so I get a clearer picture of the cars performance.
Please make sure you test as many cars as you can
All at the same PP
Same track
Same tyres
Same top speed setting on transmission
Same number of laps
Make sure you have done the chassis stiffening upgrade on all
For each car, please list
Fastest lap
average lap time
slowest lap
total time to do the designated number of laps.
Hopefully I will be able to work out the PP settings for each car/driver combination bu next sunday and we can test it...
I know this will seem a little complicated but stick with me here. I found that unlike the more powerfull DTM and GT500 cars these cars seem a little 'bland'. It is difficult to overtake because you are not going that much faster than your opponent, even with drafting (unless you are on the straight at Monza for example).
Our lap times are much more consistent with the GT300 cars because the margain for error is so much less at lower speeds and that means it is much more difficult to catch cars ahead (because they aren't making mistakes) if you do happen to have an incident.
I therefore propose 3 things (all subject to testing of course):
1) Everyone gets assigned their own base PP for the car they drive but are still assigned an overall group (eg: Rubens Berger etc).
2) The range of differences in PP is bigger than in the DTM series to artificially create speed differences and also accomodate some of the guys who still needed a bit more in the DTM series.
3) The base PP for each driver in the 'Ayrton Schumacher' (fast) group stays the same for all circuits, but it changes slightly for everyone else depending on the track.
So for Example:
On a fast track with less corners, the whole field drives at their base PP.
On a track with an average amount of corners;
The 'Rubens Berger' (medium group) gets base PP +4
The 'Damon hill' (slow group) gets base PP +8
On a twisty track;
The 'Rubens Berger' (medium group) gets base PP +8
The 'Damon hill' (slow group) gets base PP +12
Thanks for the awesome testing work Will
I am working on a spreadhsheet that indexes the cars and the drivers which will hopefully help us work out who gets what car at what PP but I need more people to do a similar test so I get a clearer picture of the cars performance.
Please make sure you test as many cars as you can
All at the same PP
Same track
Same tyres
Same top speed setting on transmission
Same number of laps
Make sure you have done the chassis stiffening upgrade on all
For each car, please list
Fastest lap
average lap time
slowest lap
total time to do the designated number of laps.
Hopefully I will be able to work out the PP settings for each car/driver combination bu next sunday and we can test it...
- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
Thanks for the awesome testing work Will
your welcome only do the test on track your comfortable with
except the nordschielfe scale
- 1,294
- Fianked
This makes the car handle worse by the way.
- 479
- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
Hmmm, I think you will find that every single racing car designer in the world will disagree with that
- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
Hmmm, I think you will find that every single racing car designer in the world will disagree with that
WRONG !!!!!!
drag racers have flexible chassis as this can improve grip
and on gt5 stiffening the chassis can make cars handle worse there are certain cars that dont do well with chassis stiffening
and what about married ppl
- 1,294
- Fianked
Hmmm, I think you will find that every single racing car designer in the world will disagree with that
It makes the car more stable in the corners but makes cornering harder, less turn in, more understeer.
- 479
- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
I meant race cars that go around corners Will. Don't change the context...
I have yet to find a car where stiffening the chassis does not improve my lap times.
- 569
- CT / SA
- driverone0one
lol
- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
make sure you define the context then as that was quite a sweeping statement
- 479
- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
Will, just incase you haven't noticed, there are no dragsters in GT5. It's totally reasonable to assume we are all referring to GT and in particular GT5 race cars on a GTplanet forum about GT5 racing, so I really don't think I need to define the context.
Stay focused Will. Stay focused! LOL
- 1,528
- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
Yeah, quit picking the fly poop out of the pepper, Will! Lol.
@Flanked - Your going to have to tune that understeer out with suspension and front downforce. Do you have the front downforce up quite a bit?
@Flanked - Your going to have to tune that understeer out with suspension and front downforce. Do you have the front downforce up quite a bit?
- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
There are no car designers in gt5 you were making a sweeping statment about motorsports in irl if you had said tunners then i agree but you said designers
- 479
- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
Will, you are fighting a loosing battle against your own imagination. There are drugs that can help.
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