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- greest_lightnin
I'm planning on showing up tomorrow, just for grins and giggles, but I don't really expect to go much farther than that, as I'm basically clueless when it comes to tuning...
DTM - Assigned car league - Sundays 8pm GMT
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It's gonna be great fun, can't wait!
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- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
Brilliant weekend Nico!
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Poor Schumi 
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- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
Bad luck for that Mercedes team in general until today. Im online an ready to do whatever. My lobby.
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- CT / SA
- driverone0one
That was good fun last night, thanks to all for joining even though just a test.
Ok....so this is where we stand.
As mentioned last night.
We need to all do qualifying in a car from the online recommended tab. I have suggested the Supra.
This coming Sunday we will run the quali.
Your quali time will reflect what car you will be using in the series.
We know the DTM cars and the grouping.
Once all drivers know what cars they will be using, we then need to run a few races to see how mush of a restriction we need to add to the groups to make the series fair for all to win.
Tyre wear between 2wd and 4wd needs to be tested as well.
I was thinking afterwards that maybe that 610pp for CLK and BM may be too high, its going to be difficult for the slower grouped cars to compete on the longer circuits.
I reckon, to test again.
Faster Cars - 600pp
Meduim cars - 590pp
Slow Cars - No limit
Then its up to the driver to make it work.
Ok....so this is where we stand.
As mentioned last night.
We need to all do qualifying in a car from the online recommended tab. I have suggested the Supra.
This coming Sunday we will run the quali.
Your quali time will reflect what car you will be using in the series.
We know the DTM cars and the grouping.
Once all drivers know what cars they will be using, we then need to run a few races to see how mush of a restriction we need to add to the groups to make the series fair for all to win.
Tyre wear between 2wd and 4wd needs to be tested as well.
I was thinking afterwards that maybe that 610pp for CLK and BM may be too high, its going to be difficult for the slower grouped cars to compete on the longer circuits.
I reckon, to test again.
Faster Cars - 600pp
Meduim cars - 590pp
Slow Cars - No limit
Then its up to the driver to make it work.
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- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
instead of doing it on the cars what about the drivers pp limit so you can pick any car you want but you are limited to a set pp
- 479
- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
Great hights testing last night guys. Loads of useful info to check through. Thanks everybody. I am going to watch the replays from last night and check tyre wear and lap times etc.
There are already 2 conflicting issues that we need to try and resolve:
At one point Sassa pointed out that in the first few races the top 5 were the same top 5 from the wolla-wolla series which is a concern. The whole idea is to bring different drivers into the 'top 5' and even to challenge for the win.
Without watching the replays yet, my gut feelings are:
Nurburg - We all ran 590pp and I (in the A4) had a very close race with canu and driver in the calibras so the 'medium' group might be ok at around 590pp, but the performance difference between the 'fast' and 'slow' cars was not enough to change the result, so the finishing order was not effected.
Trail Mountain - Having the CLK, M3, Audi R8, Astra at 610pp definitely helped Petrol in the CLK. He was right up there challenging but I don't recall anyone else beside the usual top 5 being up there...
Autumn Ring - A bit better. Petrol was right up there again and I think greest, zuat and sassa showed some good pace, but still the top 5 was more or less the same.
Monza - because of the track the result was scewed in favour of the cars with a significant power advantage and yes, at this track the top 2 in particular was great to see.
So, it seems that in general the top 5 isn;t really affected much...
BUT - if the calibra, alfa and merc 190e burn their tyres faster it means that in a longer race (Say 25 laps), they will have to do 1 more pitstop which will (hopefully) bring some major changes to the 'top 5'.
The other way of looking at it is if the calibra, alfa and 190e adjust their setup to slow them down but make their tyres last longer then they won't be able to drive away from the rest of the field anyway and the racing will be really close, the whole way through...
The other thing i am thinking about is to have cars at different PP's within each group. For example:
Lets say driver X in the medium group is slighly faster than driver driver Y, Maybe we should assign a PP of 590 to the A4 and 595 to the TT and assign the A4 to driver X and the TT to driver Y...
That would be a hassle to control will. You would have to do a controlled entry to the pits for every single driver in the room... Now, what happens when a fast driver arrives alittle late? evryone would have to exit and then the controlled entry would have to be done for every driver again!
There are already 2 conflicting issues that we need to try and resolve:
At one point Sassa pointed out that in the first few races the top 5 were the same top 5 from the wolla-wolla series which is a concern. The whole idea is to bring different drivers into the 'top 5' and even to challenge for the win.
Without watching the replays yet, my gut feelings are:
Nurburg - We all ran 590pp and I (in the A4) had a very close race with canu and driver in the calibras so the 'medium' group might be ok at around 590pp, but the performance difference between the 'fast' and 'slow' cars was not enough to change the result, so the finishing order was not effected.
Trail Mountain - Having the CLK, M3, Audi R8, Astra at 610pp definitely helped Petrol in the CLK. He was right up there challenging but I don't recall anyone else beside the usual top 5 being up there...
Autumn Ring - A bit better. Petrol was right up there again and I think greest, zuat and sassa showed some good pace, but still the top 5 was more or less the same.
Monza - because of the track the result was scewed in favour of the cars with a significant power advantage and yes, at this track the top 2 in particular was great to see.
So, it seems that in general the top 5 isn;t really affected much...
BUT - if the calibra, alfa and merc 190e burn their tyres faster it means that in a longer race (Say 25 laps), they will have to do 1 more pitstop which will (hopefully) bring some major changes to the 'top 5'.
The other way of looking at it is if the calibra, alfa and 190e adjust their setup to slow them down but make their tyres last longer then they won't be able to drive away from the rest of the field anyway and the racing will be really close, the whole way through...
The other thing i am thinking about is to have cars at different PP's within each group. For example:
Lets say driver X in the medium group is slighly faster than driver driver Y, Maybe we should assign a PP of 590 to the A4 and 595 to the TT and assign the A4 to driver X and the TT to driver Y...
That would be a hassle to control will. You would have to do a controlled entry to the pits for every single driver in the room... Now, what happens when a fast driver arrives alittle late? evryone would have to exit and then the controlled entry would have to be done for every driver again!
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- driverone0one
That sounds good Homes.
I am still a little worried about the faster group being too fast.
But lets test after the quali rounds.
I am still a little worried about the faster group being too fast.
But lets test after the quali rounds.
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- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
At our next test session, I think we better do say 2 X 25 lap races to see how the tyre wear issues pan out...
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- Cape Town
- AllyKH2882
Just my two cents,
The 4WD cars (Alfa and Calibra) shred their tyres way faster than any other cars on the grid... Yes it may come down to driving style etc but in general they shred it much quicker. I particularly noted this on the tracks where there were more twisty sections where you loaded the front tyres a lot due to the quick direction changes....
In the 25 lap races, I think the 4WD cars will start to suffer alot more than the other cars....
This needs to be looked into as it will potentially split the field even more...
The 4WD cars (Alfa and Calibra) shred their tyres way faster than any other cars on the grid... Yes it may come down to driving style etc but in general they shred it much quicker. I particularly noted this on the tracks where there were more twisty sections where you loaded the front tyres a lot due to the quick direction changes....
In the 25 lap races, I think the 4WD cars will start to suffer alot more than the other cars....
This needs to be looked into as it will potentially split the field even more...
Hi guys, that was good racibg it looked like for u, my one of my concerns is personal to me, i would love to run Alfa as i have a sweet setup for it, but as u found out when we get to lap 3 or 4 it zooms of from the others because of their tire wear, but, i really dont want to run 190e or calibra as they dont suit my style, so i think my Alfa needs to be lowered in horsepower or something to make it more even. (no im not going to run 320i lol). Back to last night, it was fantastic to see some drivers we dont normaly see up front, mixing it with the pack, zuat greest petrol and sassa all ran near top at some point which is great 
looking forward to 25 laps, should 'show up' the 4WDs a bit :
looking forward to 25 laps, should 'show up' the 4WDs a bit :- 684
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I agree Homes, we need to do some 20-25 lap races to check speed versus tirewear and pitstop strategies. At the end of the day the Calibra and Alfa in the fast guys hands may get away quickly in a short race, but might just get beaten in the longer races cause they have to stop many more times cause of tire wear.
The Calibra is a real bitch to drive fast and consistent cause of tire wear, and I've tried everything to combat it with setup, but can't improve it. I'm going to try the Alfa and hopefully it suites my style better.
Something we must remember is that the fast guys in the slow cars can't really improve much more on where we at now, but if the slow guys in the fast cars improve just a touch, you will find the CLKs and TT winning every week. We can give them a huge advantage but it's up to them to make it work. Any more advantage and I think we could find it being lob sided in the opposite direction
We have tested the cars extensively on our own and the fast cars are between 2-4 seconds a lap faster than the slow cars, depending on the car and on long tracks like Spa the fast cars are 8-9 seconds a lap faster. Now we are still adding an extra 10-20pp to the fast cars. Add the natural extra pace of the fast car and the better tirewear and the extra pp I'm suprised we are still considering giving more. I think we should do the qualifying shoot out and see who's who and then allocate the cars to each driver. Then it's up to them to practice and make it work because the first couple of test races Will and Ally we really strong and fast, but last night they were a bit inconsistent, but I'm sure when we come to the start of the championship they will become there usual consistent selves and wollop the crap out of everyone if we allow them to much advantage. So maybe we should get that qualifying done first lol.
The Calibra is a real bitch to drive fast and consistent cause of tire wear, and I've tried everything to combat it with setup, but can't improve it. I'm going to try the Alfa and hopefully it suites my style better.
Something we must remember is that the fast guys in the slow cars can't really improve much more on where we at now, but if the slow guys in the fast cars improve just a touch, you will find the CLKs and TT winning every week. We can give them a huge advantage but it's up to them to make it work. Any more advantage and I think we could find it being lob sided in the opposite direction
We have tested the cars extensively on our own and the fast cars are between 2-4 seconds a lap faster than the slow cars, depending on the car and on long tracks like Spa the fast cars are 8-9 seconds a lap faster. Now we are still adding an extra 10-20pp to the fast cars. Add the natural extra pace of the fast car and the better tirewear and the extra pp I'm suprised we are still considering giving more. I think we should do the qualifying shoot out and see who's who and then allocate the cars to each driver. Then it's up to them to practice and make it work
because the first couple of test races Will and Ally we really strong and fast, but last night they were a bit inconsistent, but I'm sure when we come to the start of the championship they will become there usual consistent selves and wollop the crap out of everyone if we allow them to much advantage. So maybe we should get that qualifying done first lol.
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Scale: send me your setup on the Alfa so I can give it a try please. Thanks bud
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- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
A few things I noticed on Sunday. I'm not absolutely positive about these things but I thought I would see what you guys thought.
I'm not sure that the A4 finished on the podium at all. Unfortunately I ran the A4 the whole time and struggled. I should have tried other cars. The only time I was in the top 5 was because of pitting or passing people that got penalties. My suggestion for the upcoming test would be no penalties and no tire strategy. They seem to change the results and make the test seem like it went a certain way when really it was altered by circumstances. Everyone on softs, pit when you have to. And a corner cut here or there is no big deal in a test. Cutting a corner here or there is way better than a 5 second penalty.
I really think we should do a mock qualifying session (in the spec car) to get everyone in the correct car. This could possibly be done on Saturday and Sunday. Just slot guys in where their time puts them either day. Just a mock session, this would not be for the series, just for the test. Then have a qualifying session for the 25 lap race in the correct cars. This would be the only way to really see whats going to possibly happen. As any F1 fan knows, qualifying is almost the most important part of the race. Then we can make some adjustments for the next race. Maybe the faster car do need to lose some power, maybe the middle cars need more. Who knows? We wouldn't know from this test session. It seems that the gap from the faster drivers to the middle drivers is bigger than the middle to the slower. We're going to end up with a very fine between someone driving a TT and a CLK. By the way, I think the Calibra is junk and I'm not sure anyone would like to drive it. Maybe just the Alfa and the Merc for that group.
This is all really complicated and it's really cool you guys are trying to nail it down. It's going to be a process for sure.
I'm not sure that the A4 finished on the podium at all. Unfortunately I ran the A4 the whole time and struggled. I should have tried other cars. The only time I was in the top 5 was because of pitting or passing people that got penalties. My suggestion for the upcoming test would be no penalties and no tire strategy. They seem to change the results and make the test seem like it went a certain way when really it was altered by circumstances. Everyone on softs, pit when you have to. And a corner cut here or there is no big deal in a test. Cutting a corner here or there is way better than a 5 second penalty.
I really think we should do a mock qualifying session (in the spec car) to get everyone in the correct car. This could possibly be done on Saturday and Sunday. Just slot guys in where their time puts them either day. Just a mock session, this would not be for the series, just for the test. Then have a qualifying session for the 25 lap race in the correct cars. This would be the only way to really see whats going to possibly happen. As any F1 fan knows, qualifying is almost the most important part of the race. Then we can make some adjustments for the next race. Maybe the faster car do need to lose some power, maybe the middle cars need more. Who knows? We wouldn't know from this test session. It seems that the gap from the faster drivers to the middle drivers is bigger than the middle to the slower. We're going to end up with a very fine between someone driving a TT and a CLK. By the way, I think the Calibra is junk and I'm not sure anyone would like to drive it. Maybe just the Alfa and the Merc for that group.
This is all really complicated and it's really cool you guys are trying to nail it down. It's going to be a process for sure.
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- AllyKH2882
And for me aswell Scale. Im struggling to get the front tyres of Alfa to last....
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Scale96
Cool thanks Master lol.......I'm working night shift this week, but hopefully I can get online on Thursday a bit. If I see you online I'll send you a message.
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Yip it's certainly a process. But if we can get each guys ranking then we can apply this to any series or group of cars. The qualifying shoot out is everything as far as I'm concerned. The testing of the cars for any series can be done individually by a few guys. It's actually far more accurate that way. Then all you have to do is give the correct car to each driver according to his ranking and we're game on. Even if the slower guys aren't wining yet, the field is running very close together and that's really what we are trying to achieve....... aren't we? We must give the guys the advantage but also make it a bit of a challenge so that they can improve
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- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
I just updated the opening post.
Check it out
Check it out
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- CANUDIGTHIS
Looking awesome Homes
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- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
what you all seem to forget was that i had a car which i had set-up over a year ago and so has a lot of fine tuning and so you were all playing catch up which is why i dominated even at 590 but i feel as you guys get better tunes with time the TT's pace is becoming more apparent i also think 595 might too much but we will find out in testing
but if your happy to let me win my first championship and race win im fine with that as well
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- Herefordshire,
- worduphomes
Don't worry will. As the OP states
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- CANUDIGTHIS
Haha ha...... let's think about that one for a bit...... um NO
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- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
homes you could a least used sum pics from testing to show each car and the closeness of the testing
plz canu with strawberrys and cream on top
plz canu with strawberrys and cream on top
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- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
Those pictures are meant to showcase each car. Not the closeness of our testing.
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