Eminem: As bad as 50 cent

[Lee]

E=mc2

Done, next question please.

Hah hah owned!

 

[Lee]

gen·ius (plural gen·ius·es)


noun
Definitions:

1. somebody with outstanding talent: somebody with exceptional ability, especially somebody whose intellectual or creative achievements gain worldwide recognition

2. outstanding talent: exceptional intellectual or creative ability

3. somebody with specific skill: a person with great specialized skill
a genius with computers

4. (plural ge·ni·i) quality: a special quality that characterizes a place, period, or people

5. influence: somebody who or something that exerts a strong influence

What was the point in this? Sage already posted up one. Why another?

 

[Young_Warrior]

E=mc2
Also, I'm black and I'm 29, guess I beat the odds!

Im black but im not white but im not black and im white. So I will tell you if I end up being a statistic in 4 years.

Actually im kinda indecided about MJ. I didnt think at first he was a genius cause he was kind of manufactured by his dad. But his dancing is pure genius.

Anyway im off to bed hope to carry this on in the morning.

 

[Young_Warrior]

What was the point in this? Sage already posted up one. Why another?

Because this one supports my opinon. 💡

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Most black men growing up in america are expected to be either in jail or dead by the time they reach 21. I cant remember the exat figure but it was high.

I only have 2 more years?

And there is no way to factually say someone is a genius.

So it's subjective then?

 

[Blackbird.]

Rap.... I could rant about this for days.

But for short I don't like it because of the lyrics mostly. Their repetitive, and basically in most of them they are bragging about their cars or talking about girls or talking about their child support.

The beats in their songs aren't bad but I dislike the lyrics.

 

[Ghost C]

Fat Joe's record sales are always dismal. He's nothing without Pun, never has been and never will be.

As for 50 Cent being more popular than DMX, well... DMX is the only recording artist (not rapper - recording artist, as in, all genres) in the history of Billboard to have every album debut at number 1, beating his own record several times over in the process of putting out 5 albums.

Hell, if it wasn't for DMX, Ja Rule wouldn't exist. Ja Rule's place in the world was defined by his role on the Belly Soundtrack. The whole "beef" (I despise that term. BEEF - Rap's Biggest Hamburgers) started when he went on 106 & Park and started talking about how he was better than DMX. That was the moment he committed career suicide - I remember briefly laughing before I changed the channel, and then I watched as less and less people liked Ja Rule, and then 50 decided he'd keep taking stabs at "Murda Inc".

It ended retarded, with visits to the vatican and police reports and a butter knife being involved throughout. The whole thing could've been solved by 50 not continuing the drama - Ja Rule wouldn't have lasted as long as he did without 50 Cent dumping raw ether onto the fire.

 

[Blackbird.]

Oh and not to mention I dislike their unimaginative names.

 

[Swift]

Im black but im not white but im not black and im white. So I will tell you if I end up being a statistic in 4 years.

Yeah, it's statements like that that keep your credibility and respect level here at GTP in the garbage. What is that supposed to mean anyway?

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Rap.... I could rant about this for days.

But for short I don't like it because of the lyrics mostly. Their repetitive, and basically in most of them they are bragging about their cars or talking about girls or talking about their child support.

There are plenty of rap songs that have a deeper message, but unfortunately, that's not what sells.

Yeah, it's statements like that that keep your credibility and respect level here at GTP in the garbage. What is that supposed to mean anyway?

Confusing isn't it?

 

[Lee]

Oh and not to mention I dislike their unimaginative names.

Agreed fully.

50 Cent.. Why!? Imagine a british version of him "50 pence"?
Ja Rule.. What the hell is Ja??! Ja Ja Binks!?
Eminem.. He named himself after a choclate sweet.. great.
"The Game".. I thought he was a wrestler...


Atleast rock bands have decent names...

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Agreed fully.

50 Cent.. Why!? Imagine a british version of him "50 pence"?
Ja Rule.. What the hell is Ja??! Ja Ja Binks!?
Eminem.. He named himself after a choclate sweet.. great.
"The Game".. I thought he was a wrestler...


Atleast rock bands have decent names...

Ja Rule = Jeffery Atkins Represents Unconditional Love Exists

...and according to the "ghetto" dictionary...

"game is an inate attribute that some people posess which allows them to sweet talk members of the opposite sex, or even members of their own sex to achive a desired outcome."

...so not entirely unimaginative...

And rock bands with decent names?

Three doors down?
311?
Puddle of Mudd?
Uncle Kracker?
Papa Roach?

 

[Lee]

Ja Rule = Jeffery Atkins Represents Unconditional Love Exists

Really!? No way...

...and according to the "ghetto" dictionary...

"game is an inate attribute that some people posess which allows them to sweet talk members of the opposite sex, or even members of their own sex to achive a desired outcome."

...so not entirely unimaginative...

Ok then point proven.

And rock bands with decent names?

Three doors down?
311?
Puddle of Mudd?
Uncle Kracker?
Papa Roach?

OK OK OK!! But some names were really imaginative erm.... I just can't think of one right now...

 

[blargonator]

There are plenty of rap songs that have a deeper message, but unfortunately, that's not what sells.

yeah, personally i think 50 Cent is a huge idiot.
Eminem also smells.
Hell's Winter by Cage was released sort of recently i guess, i like it. 👍

 

[Race Idiot]

ALL BLACK MEN ARE TOTALLY OPRESSED AND WILL BE KILLED IN A GUNFIGHT OVER SOME HOES AT THE AGE OF 21

BUT THEY ARE ALSO VERY BUFF AND LISTEN TO 50 CENT SO THAT MAKES IT OK!

 

[Swift]

ALL BLACK MEN ARE TOTALLY OPRESSED AND WILL BE KILLED IN A GUNFIGHT OVER SOME HOES AT THE AGE OF 21

BUT THEY ARE ALSO VERY BUFF AND LISTEN TO 50 CENT SO THAT MAKES IT OK!

That was in all caps for what reason?

 

[Race Idiot]

That was in all caps for what reason?

I've had problems with people who don't recognise sarcasm. So all my sarky posts get done in all caps.

Apologies.

 

[a6m5]

Many people generalize and say that "rap sucks!", but that's like somebody saying rock, jazz or techno music sucks. There are some good and some bad in all music, except the country music, which are all same and sucks completely. j/k I don't know enough about rap to tell if fitteycent is a genius or not, but I have a feeling Swift is right about Michael Jackson/Quincy & 50 Cent/Dr. Dre comparison. Oh, and danoff, Milli Vanilli were giniuses of lip-synching.

I've had problems with people who don't recognise sarcasm. So all my sarky posts get done in all caps.

Apologies.

P.S. It was nice knowing you, MrktMkr.

 

[Plague.Ghost]

I think the reason that rockers don't like rap and 50 Cent (among others) is because of a talent issue and the redundancy of rap.

Almost all rappers don't play an instrument, which right there sets a musician apart.

Almost all the songs are about the same things ("gettin' down" - 'dancing', "goin' down" - erm. . .felatio, "hoes", or how much money/cars/guns/G's/bling/other material items they've acquired), which tends to run dry after a while. It doesn't make the m(a/e)n a genius, it makes him popular. Which is also a misconception. An entire society of people who praise one person doesn't make the person smart— it makes him popular, or in rare cases, everyone else dumber.

Plus you have the whole "I featured 20 artists on a single album on every album and I'm on 20 other G's albums" factor which comes into play. That gets your name out and gets people to know who you are.

Then you just have the background music of rap. The background music of rap is what I know most people listen to; it's the tune that gets stuck in their head and rarely the lyrics. Every once in a while, a breakthrough rap "artist" will hit it big in the scene and will submit something novel or worthy of being noted, like Eminem, who often rapped about more than just hoes, bling, and the ghetto (often referring to conservative America, his mom, and most importantly his love for his daughter).

Rockers and fans of rock, however, are often portrayed as the ignorant-minded metal-head who just likes loud noise. Well, let's clear this out of the way: They don't. Many people who listen to it, and all those who compose it, are also musicians. This means that they not only write their own lyrics (not all, but some), but also [usually] play guitar, bass, drums and whatnot. With rappers, though, they do not play an instrument. They talk into a microphone, flaunt how much money they have, and talk about how pimped out their American luxury cars are.

I guess it all comes down to arrogance. Eminem made over $300,000,000.00 between 1999 and 2001. Now, he's a very respected man amongst other musicians and is quite prominent in the music industry. Now why is this?

Well, Eminem has gained respect for a number of factors, even from the likes Marilyn Manson (shock rocker) to Elton John (flambouyant homosexual soft-rocker) , and even dated Mariah Carey (banshee-wailing poptart). He doesn't exude much arrogance, either, and I think that's what it comes down. Because he's collaborated with very different people in live shows, he demonstrates that he accepts people for what they are, whereas Ludacris, Jay-Z, Snoop Dogg, Sean "Puffy" Combs, and 50 Cent all show off what they have and rub it in peoples' noses.

Since rock artists don't do this (99.99% of the time), they're fans generally regard them as much more humble, accepting, and even understanding, in contrast to the image that rappers have—being "suck it or die" or "I have (way) more money than you".

I hope this has helped you understand why many people who listen to rock often intensely dislike rap artists. And I may note that this is also comming from a(n) [ex] rap fan.



p.s. : Sorry about the length.

—EDIT 1—​

Eminem.. He named himself after a choclate sweet.. great.

Actually it's his initials— M.M., for Marshal Mathers.

 

[Saleen Man]

I really don't like rap very much. I'm not going to say it all sucks though. The few songs that I do like have been done by Eminem/50 Cent (usually the ones with both of 'em in it) and Ludacris. Kanye West's Golddigger and Jesus Walks were good as well. But the lyrics are complete garbage, at least the mainstream stuff. And I'm not inspired enough to listen to "underground" rap which a lot of rap fans claim is better. The music in rap is all too simple as well. I think it's safe to say that rappers are the least talented musically out of all musical artists. I'm sure some will argue that though.

EDIT - It looks like someone beat me to the musician aspect of it.

 

[Solid Fro]

Rap died a long time ago.

 

[smellysocks12]

50 Cent is a ****ing idiot, a money generating drone with a big mouth for Dr Dre. I love hiphop, 90% of the time I listen to music it's hiphop, but 50 cent really ruins the entire hiphop image. I hate how people like 50 cent make the music genre look even more materialistic and retarded than people already thought it was.


And rap didn't die at all, it's just that people who don't know quality hiphop are deciding what is hot and what is not. I also get disgusted whenever I see hiphop & R&B thrown into the same category.

 

[smellysocks12]

Almost all the songs are about the same things ("gettin' down" - 'dancing', "goin' down" - erm. . .felatio, "hoes", or how much money/cars/guns/G's/bling/other material items they've acquired), which tends to run dry after a while.

Uhhhhhh... NO.


You're talking about COMMERCIAL rap here, not hiphop in general. Commercial rock is also usually about the same thing. Most commercial music, whatever genre, lacks originality.



Most people here have an opinion about hiphop, while not knowing anything about it besides the garbage that's floating at the surface.

 

[Saleen Man]

Uhhhhhh... NO.


You're talking about COMMERCIAL rap here, not hiphop in general. Commercial rock is also usually about the same thing. Most commercial music, whatever genre, lacks originality.

Agreed.

Most people here have an opinion about hiphop, while not knowing anything about it besides the garbage that's floating at the surface.

Enlighten me. Who do you listen to?

 

[Omnis]

Hip hop and rap...well...intelligent hip hop and rap still exists today in the form of "nerdcore hiphop," another "fake genre" with artists and musicians who find more to rhyme about than what the stupidass mainstream can come up with.

MC Paul Barman (as an MC), for example, is a genius. 50cent is not. It's insulting to real men of genius (no, not the beer ones) to include him as a superior. 50cent's fame and fortune is the result of marketing and appealing to their prime demographic, the "mainstream crowd" of america, a.k.a., the ****ing idiots.

 

[smellysocks12]

Hip hop and rap...well...intelligent hip hop and rap still exists today in the form of "nerdcore hiphop," another "fake genre" with artists and musicians who find more to rhyme about than what the stupidass mainstream can come up with.

MC Paul Barman (as an MC), for example, is a genius. 50cent is not. It's insulting to real men of genius (no, not the beer ones) to include him as a superior. 50cent's fame and fortune is the result of marketing and appealing to their prime demographic, the "mainstream crowd" of america, a.k.a., the ****ing idiots.

There is a lot of conscious rap out there which can't be classified as nerd rap. Nerd rap is garbage as well, except if you're speaking of Deltron 3030. Just look at public enemy, they have been releasing conscious hiphop for over 15 years already. Or what about De La Soul? They aren't really conscious, but they have a positive vibe to their music, no materialism at all.


Not all hiphop needs a deep meaning though, just like good rock songs don't need one. It's just the complete "playah" and "thug" idolizing that I despise. Lately mic skills don't seem to matter to the large audience, if you got shot 5 times and have an ugly mug you're "cool" and "dope"... especially if you hire some B-rated R&B singer to sing on your chorus.

 

[Saleen Man]

Hip hop and rap...well...intelligent hip hop and rap still exists today in the form of "nerdcore hiphop," another "fake genre" with artists and musicians who find more to rhyme about than what the stupidass mainstream can come up with.

You used the word musicians. I thought Plague covered it well, but I think it's a huge part of why a lot of people don't like rap. How many of these guys are actually musicians? As a musician, it is painful to see all these people have someone make a beat for them, then make rhymes over top of it, and be called talented. Flame away.

 

[smellysocks12]

Rappers aren't musicians, some beat creators are. Very often the music isn't made by musicians, yet it is still music. You can pretty much say the same about dance music, or trance / techno whatever. It's also a bunch of samples piled together and they don't even have someone rhyming or singing to the beats. Those producers aren't musicians either, yet the final product is still part of a music genre.

It does take skill, otherwise everyone could make a good record in that genre. I couldn't make a good hiphop record or trance song if I'd try to. As a matter of fact, if making good hiphop doesn't take skill, then why does 90% suck? If it'd be that easy, I would like it all.

 

[Saleen Man]

Rappers aren't musicians, some beat creators are. Very often the music isn't made by musicians, yet it is still music. You can pretty much say the same about dance music, or trance / techno whatever. It's also a bunch of samples piled together and they don't even have someone rhyming or singing to the beats. Those producers aren't musicians either, yet the final product is still part of a music genre.

I could smash a bunch of pots and pans together, record it onto a CD and release it and it would be classified as a genre. Rap is popular because people like to get drunk and shake their booties all night. While being drunk out of their mind, of course. OK sorry, that was another "mainstream" comment.

It does take skill, otherwise everyone could make a good record in that genre. I couldn't make a good hiphop record or trance song if I'd try to. As a matter of fact, if making good hiphop doesn't take skill, then why does 90% suck? If it'd be that easy, I would like it all.

Maybe so, but it's still a thousand times harder to create a song using guitars, drums, bass, etc. Unless of course you like punk, well then just string 4 chords together and repeat.

 

[smellysocks12]

I could smash a bunch of pots and pans together, record it onto a CD and release it and it would be classified as a genre. Rap is popular because people like to get drunk and shake their booties all night. While being drunk out of their mind, of course. OK sorry, that was another "mainstream" comment.


Maybe so, but it's still a thousand times harder to create a song using guitars, drums, bass, etc. Unless of course you like punk, well then just string 4 chords together and repeat.

Yeah, that definitely was a mainstream comment. Don't generalize it. I didn't generalize the rock genre during that punkrock hype when you saw all those blink 182 clones popping up into the mass media. That was one hype which is over now, now we have this "urban" hype, which I hope will blow over soon.


With your 2nd comment you're generalizing again. Some beats are definitely easy to make, if you look at **** like for example that neptunes beat with the tongue clacking. That's garbage, I don't even listen to that. If you'd listen to producers like Pete Rock, El-P, Stoupe, RJD2, Dj Shadow, Dan the Automator, Necro, Perquisite, Nicolay, etc. etc. you would hear that it involves more than just banging on pots and pans. For example Perquisite is a dutch hiphop producer who composes all his beats himself, finished an education on classical music and plays a lot of instruments as well. Necro also includes a lot of his own basslines, played on a fender bass guitar as well, and also guitar riffs. And for example RJD2, El-P and Stoupe do everything with samples, but that is definitely more complex than the stuff you're thinking of.