Emirates Formula 1 70th Anniversary Grand Prix 2020Formula 1
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C'mon now, maybe he just really wanted some jaffa cakes and that was the closest place to get them.
Also, following the Racing Point case, the FIA is amending the 2021 regulations with regard to car copying.
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By that logic Mercedes could release all their CAD data as they make it, because no team could use it without incurring a penalty. Therefore it offers Merc a tactical advantage because it any team’s car has parts even remotely similar to Mercedes’, they get a penalty. How easy would it be for Merc to test and CAD a dozen designs, essentially blocking off all decently competitive aero designs. Sort of like copyright squatting.
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Croft is garbage. He should get canned for another ex F1 driver to commentate
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Sebs engine went bye bye in a big way. Almost sounded like a rod went through the oil pan and smashed the floor. Looks ****ed.
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Definitely not looking like a promising weekend for Ferrari engines, all told.
Meanwhile both Red Bulls are taking all new power units for this weekend, and a few other cars are swapping out various power bits as well. Nothing that'll cause a grid penalty, though.
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Toto Wolff whining about tbe 2021 concorde agreement haha. He's so selfish. All he cares about is MB and his money.
He doesn't care about the sport as a whole.
Im glad F1 said, stfu Toto, we're moving forward.
He doesn't care about the sport as a whole.
Im glad F1 said, stfu Toto, we're moving forward.
That's hardly exclusive to Mercedes.
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Then explain why 9 other teams were ready to sign and Toto is sitting there pissing his pants about it?
Sure the teams look after their own interests. But MB and Toto are by faaaaaaar the worst offenders.
They literally are saying screw the sport and the fans, we just wanna win at all costs.
They have the highest budget if rumours are to be believed, so they have the most invested in it.
Wolff also says the other bosses have criticised it privately, up to you whether to believe him or not.
https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/07...-thing-to-liberty-and-another-to-the-cameras/
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Its about the willingness to see the sport succeed? Sure they aren't all happy about it privately, but they're willing to compromise for the sake of a stale sport.
Toto isnt.
And of course he doesnt want RP penalized any more. He's invested money into Aston Martin. He just wants to make money. Or should i say, not lose his investment.
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And Mercedes didn't give RP the drawings/parts/knowledge for free. Had this RP-brake-duct hearing gone well there was a profitable opportunity for Mercedes, or at least an opportunity to regain some of their development spend.
Maybe this was more important to the Mercedes F1 business model than we thought? Now the RP judgement is known we're hearing once again that Mercedes might not remain in F1. What a mad season.
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This is hardly the first time that a successful F1 team has threatened to take their ball and go home because they didn't get a ruling entirely in their favor. They're just rattling their saber to see if the FIA will roll over and give them a concession.
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I hope the FIA stick to their guns.
The fact that the teams even have a voice when it comes to rules blows my mind. Its THE major flaw with F1
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Grab the popcorn
In a nutshell: Ferrari want a higher penalty for Racing (-15) Points
In a nutshell: Ferrari want a higher penalty for Racing (-15) Points
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Out of all the teams...Ferrari
I think they have enough on their plate.
I think they have enough on their plate.
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Ferrari complaining about another team's equipment when they're having an off year themselves? I am shocked and astounded by this!
Granted they do actually have somewhat legitimate complaint this time, but still!
Granted they do actually have somewhat legitimate complaint this time, but still!
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My drill sergeant once told us in basic training "if 50 of you come to me and say one guy fell in the shower, then he obviously fell in the shower"
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Ooh and McLaren joins the club
Well that's going to make for a healthy relationship next year...
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More-or-less. When the other teams questioned the outcome, the FIA basically said they weren't satisfied with the legality of the Ferrari PU, but they wouldn't be going any further citing legal concerns and the "complexity" of the issue. For me at least, when considering who was involved (and how unpopular of a move DQing/stripping away points from Ferrari would be) it basically reads as "We both know what you did was illegal. Just don't do it again, and we won't go any further."
I will give the FIA some slack, as this is a much more clear-cut violation, and the two incidents aren't 100% comparable. Still, it's a little frustrating for me given that this is a much lesser "crime" that got an adequate punishment, yet potentially one of the bigger offences in recent F1 history goes without so much as a reprimand.
While I do acknowledge that Ferrari (an the other teams) do have a justifiable reason for going after RP, imo this is the personification of "Pot, meet kettle."
If I was Otmar, I'd absolutely be giving Ferrari crap for lodging this appeal while keeping the details of their 2019 PU investigation under wraps. Granted, I'll also (hopefully) never be an F1 team boss, so...
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I'm struggling to determine the moral of that story.
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We had a troublesome guy in our group.
Essentially the more people that "complain" the more traction the complaint will have.
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The thing with F1 is evryone is selfish, the drivers and the teams. F1 teams just need to stop writing concorde agreements, here are the rules, like it, stay or join, if you dont then bye. Teams have way too much influence in the governing of F1. Other sports are not dictated to by their participants. On a side note, all the tyre talk made me buy some fresh mozzarella to go with dinner which was delicious
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The only way you'll get rid of team politics in Formula 1 is by shutting the whole thing down entirely. It's the sport's longest standing tradition by this point, and even the teams that suffer because of it nowadays wouldn't want it ended because it means they won't eventually have their turn to be the ones kicking someone else when they're down.
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Imagine the scene: It's sunday, all the teams are on the pre-grid, much ado about how this is the 70th anniversary, bla bla bla, celebrations and a highlight reel of the best moments since 1950. Mechanics leave the grid, the cars take their formation lap, and upon their return to the grid, every team without a Mercedes power unit enters the pits in protest...
Chaos ensues, the 2020 prophecy continues.
Chaos ensues, the 2020 prophecy continues.
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In their zeal to eliminate a competitor, the teams complaining about Racing Point are only doing themselves harm in the future. The precedent is now set that teams can go to the FIA and accuse each other of copying designs. Now every car must be picked apart to ensure they are subjectively different enough to be considered ‘their own design’. Which means if a certain design proves to be successful, no other team can copy it to try and close the gap. This might very well be the end of the sport, because any team that gets a jump start on design basically has their lead protected by the regulations.
