Enzo successor spotted
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THAT. NAME.
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The F60 isn't the Enzo, just fyi. It was just something conjured up by the media because the last 2 cars happened to be F40 & F50 and journalists somehow, never caught on that those names were for anniversaries. Hard to designate the 60th Anniversary when the company was only 55.
Same with people calling this car the F70; Ferrari's only 66.
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Better the F70 than what Ferrari call it.
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Looks like an ugly fantasy Hot Wheels car
The whole thing is vomit inducing. Just look at the huge gaps between the bodypanels. wtf? Is this an elaborate joke?
They need to fire several people, scrap the project and go back to the drawing board. Who gave this freak of nature the green light. Oh my.
The whole thing is vomit inducing. Just look at the huge gaps between the bodypanels. wtf? Is this an elaborate joke?
They need to fire several people, scrap the project and go back to the drawing board. Who gave this freak of nature the green light. Oh my.
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About the naming convention, I don't understand the hate or disdain for it. Also, in no press release is it ever referred to as the "Ferrari LaFerrari", just as the Enzo Ferrari was ever called the "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari". So, hating the name because it's "redundant" is not exactly, right. It's simply "TheFerrari" if we get to it. Whatever, I don't love it, but it doesn't bother me.
Now, onto the design itself. I like it. But what I like doesn't really mean much, as we all have our opinions. But with that said, the way some of you (and you know whom you are) pass your opinions off as cold hard facts, is hilarious to me.
If you don't even like anything the stable(s) have put out in the past decade or so, why are you even here [ITT]? Their design language has carried over to every current product right now. We all had a pretty good idea of what the Enzo replacement would look like, prior to the actual release. You knew if you would like it or not well before the actual product unveiling.
Serious question. I would really like a well thought out response to that.
Now, onto the design itself. I like it. But what I like doesn't really mean much, as we all have our opinions. But with that said, the way some of you (and you know whom you are) pass your opinions off as cold hard facts, is hilarious to me.
If you don't even like anything the stable(s) have put out in the past decade or so, why are you even here [ITT]? Their design language has carried over to every current product right now. We all had a pretty good idea of what the Enzo replacement would look like, prior to the actual release. You knew if you would like it or not well before the actual product unveiling.
Serious question. I would really like a well thought out response to that.
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Perhaps people expected more than a hyper-458. The Enzo, even with all it's hideousness, was a complete departure from every other road car Ferrari produced at the time. This? It's a P4/5 idea mixed with the 458. I expected more.
I appreciate some of the lines; the studio shots show the detailing of the rear half much better than the glaring lights of Geneva, and I personally like the large shutlines paying homage to previous uber-Ferraris. But the front, like every modern Ferrari, does nothing for me. The glasshouse is very well done, and like Niky said, the contrast cuts some of the visual weight.
I prefer the P1's design to this, though I find it interesting they both quote nearly the same performance numbers, and identical torque. It will be interesting if anybody manages to have them face off (evenly, not with Ferrari's tinkering).
But that name. That name should bar this car from ever becoming a classic. What a colossal fail.
I appreciate some of the lines; the studio shots show the detailing of the rear half much better than the glaring lights of Geneva, and I personally like the large shutlines paying homage to previous uber-Ferraris. But the front, like every modern Ferrari, does nothing for me. The glasshouse is very well done, and like Niky said, the contrast cuts some of the visual weight.
I prefer the P1's design to this, though I find it interesting they both quote nearly the same performance numbers, and identical torque. It will be interesting if anybody manages to have them face off (evenly, not with Ferrari's tinkering).
But that name. That name should bar this car from ever becoming a classic. What a colossal fail.
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No, just no. 
The name is terrible, and the car doesn't appeal to me, especially the intentional huge gaps.
(I don't know if it's intentional or not, but it just seems too huge to be a mistake.)
The name is terrible, and the car doesn't appeal to me, especially the intentional huge gaps.
(I don't know if it's intentional or not, but it just seems too huge to be a mistake.)
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It's a very strange car. A lot of the styling I like, but there are a few things that make it ugly.
The gaping vent in the nose
The wings that go from the rear wheel arches to the canopy (they make the car look fat and the wheels tiny).
The antennae rear view mirrors
and the name, that's just lazy. If they had to call it 'la' something, how about 'La GTO'?
The gaping vent in the nose
The wings that go from the rear wheel arches to the canopy (they make the car look fat and the wheels tiny).
The antennae rear view mirrors
and the name, that's just lazy. If they had to call it 'la' something, how about 'La GTO'?
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Which it should, hopefully
It will. It will pass the ferrari from the outside line. Ferraris never were the fastest on a track... maybe this will be better.
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"GTO" has a meaning that doesn't work with this car. And before anyone says the 599 GTO, at the least it was a suped up version of a previously released Ferrari, and not a brand new range topper.
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Ron Dennis is being quoted as saying (on the Geneva stand) that the P1 is 10s a lap faster at Dunsfold than the current TG record holder with him driving. He also said the P1 will run sub 7m Ring times.
Not sure how reliable those time are though...
10s faster than the Huayra (which was on cut slicks) does sound a bit unlikely given it's only around a 73-74s lap time and there are a few tight corners where the P1's downforce won't give much advantage.
Sub 7 minute Ring time seems doable and would be amazing for a full road car.
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A Pagani - Alfa Romeo rip-off. Disgusting looking thing.
What's up with every manufacturer overcomplicating their designs? Every new supercar has holes, dents, shark fins everywhere. It's just not a pretty sight. And I doubt it's purely for performance reasons as at least the Enzo was a clean design without all the holes and vents, and that thing still is an absurdly fast car to this day.
What's up with every manufacturer overcomplicating their designs? Every new supercar has holes, dents, shark fins everywhere. It's just not a pretty sight. And I doubt it's purely for performance reasons as at least the Enzo was a clean design without all the holes and vents, and that thing still is an absurdly fast car to this day.
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I don't see that at all, and I'm really trying to. Mind giving us a visual example of this, or even a detailed description?
Actually, they do have a performance purpose, which is detailed in the very handy website from Ferrari themselves.
www.laferrari.com
All those scoops, fins, and holes allow it to perform better than the outgoing Enzo, thus the whole reason a new car that differs from the previous one was made.
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The Pagani side mirrors is one example.
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They're basically trying to make it transparent to the air If you don't have holes, you need to push all the air out of the way at the front of the car, and then keep it attached at the rear of the car.
You can do that, but you wouldn't end up with the shape of a traditional road car, and good luck finding a parking space you're fit it.
What Ferrari has done here was take that shape and shrink it, and then hide it inside the car. The aerodynamics aren't just on the outside anymore. Now they don't have to push the air as hard at the front, and it's a lot easier to have the air pushing the car at the back.
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I wonder how close the Enzo would be to 'LaFerrari' (That name is just ridiculous) around Fiorano if it was wearing the same tires? I know it's a short track, but 5 seconds doesn't really seem like the improvement expected with 10 years of development, a much more effective transmission, and an additional 300bhp. I would estimate at least 3 of those seconds are down to the tires alone. The transmission is then probably worth a second of improvement. That leaves the power. 300bhp for a 1 second improvement?
I don't see the point of having more than 700hp in a road car. Honestly, having driven a few cars in the 500whp range, I don't see the point in having a road car with more than 600bhp. Maybe that's just me.
I would be more impressed if the car had exactly the same power as the Enzo and was 5 seconds faster.
I don't see the point of having more than 700hp in a road car. Honestly, having driven a few cars in the 500whp range, I don't see the point in having a road car with more than 600bhp. Maybe that's just me.
I would be more impressed if the car had exactly the same power as the Enzo and was 5 seconds faster.
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Agree completely... around 300bhp/tonne and a decent amount of torque is more than enough for a road car.
As I said in the Lambo thread, cars like the P1/LaFerrari/918 etc are irrelevent as road cars as their performance levels are too extreme to make them usable at anywhere near their full potential.
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It's not exactly wrong, either. Ferrari didn't establish LaFerrari as a new brand, just like they didn't with the Enzo.
What meaning does "GTO" carry that couldn't apply to this car but had no problem applying to the GTO from the 1980s?
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Because that's what it is? You're splitting hairs here and I don't get what you hope to accomplish by doing it.
To an even lesser extent than most of the other Group B cars were a "souped up version" of any other production road car at the time, meaning pretty much not at all since almost everything was bespoke (and Ferrari certainly never marketed it as being related to the 308). So what meaning does it betray?
