Epic battles you're looking forward to in GT5?

[XxTH3_ST1GxX]

I'm looking forward to many different standoffs:

Aston Martin DBS vs. Ferrari 599
10 Camaro SS vs. 09 Dodge Challenge R/T vs Ford Mustang GT (hopefully)
ZR1 vs. Ford GT vs. Dodge Viper ACR
z06 vs. 09 Cobra GT500 vs. Dodge Viper SRT-10
370Z vs. GTR

 

[sesselpupser]

Jason Plato vs. Jonny Adam (or, in car terms- Chevrolet Lacetti BTCC vs. BMW 318 (I think) BTCC), video here.

GTR Spec-V vs. 997 GT2 vs. ZR1 on the 'ring, or:
Porsche vs. Nissan in a Tekken-style handbag battle simulator, with special moves including 'non-production spec tyres' taunt for Porsche and 'learn to drive' for Nissan...

For those of you who don't know what I'm on about (if that's possible, it was pretty big news a while ago), I can't find the original statement from Porsche but here's an article in which Nissan prove their lap time was honest: Here, and Nissan offering Porsche driving lessons: Here. It's all very funny to read.

 

[paskowitz]

Epic battles are so epic I believe GT5 should have its own set of special events called epic battles. Here is my list of events. (cars and tracks pending)

The French Connection.
Cars: Citroen C4 WRC vs Ford Focus WRC
Location: Opera de Paris, New York City.
Description: Relive the classic chase scenes from the famous movie, The French Connection. Track your rival down in the streets of Paris then head on over to NYC for the final showdown. Both cars are not meant for the road and are prone to to understeer on the tarmac. Use your ebrake to huck your car around tights corners. Don't be afraid to be rough with you opponent because he will certainly never surrender.

Big 3 Battle
Cars: 2010 Ford Mustang GT vs Dodge Challenger vs Chevy Camaro.
Location: Daytona Road Course.
Description: This is a rivalry that has lay dormant for many years. Relive the classic battles of the 60's and 70's with the modern versions of these classic muscle cars on one of America's most classic tracks, Daytona.

Time for a modern day rematch!
Cars: Ferrari 430 Scuderia vs Ford GT.
Location: Le Mans
Description: Its time for a rematch. Time to relive the classic Le Mans battle in modern form. Which car will win? The Ford GT has the straight line speed but the Ferrari is faster through the corners. Choose either car and race your heart out.

3 letters, 2 cars, 1 huge rivalry.
Cars: Evo vs STi
Locations: Tokyo Route 52, Tahiti Maze
Description: Almost no rivalry has been more closely matched that that of EVO vs STi. You will have to put your road skills to the test as you fly through the streets of Tokyo. But don't think you are out of the woods yet, the final race will prove to be a true challenge as you will be driving on dirt with road tires. Put each cars 4WD and balance to the ultimate test. The winner will decide one of the greatest rivalries in all of motor sports.

Godzilla vs the world.
Cars: Nissan GTR (Ai) vs any car < 77,700 credits.
Track: Nurburgring
Description: Can any car take the might GTR down? Give chase with whatever you got and see if you can slay Godzilla.

The One Ring to Rule Them All.
Cars: Nissan GTR vs Corvette ZR1 vs Dodge Viper ACR vs Porsche 911 GT2
Track: Nurburgring
Description: Which production car is the fastest, in a full throttle, all out race, around the most famous race track and manufacturer testing ground, in the world. Be careful these cars are not for beginners and The Ring is one of the most dangerous and difficult tracks in the world. Your skills will be pushed.

David vs Goliath
Cars: Lotus Exige vs Corvette Z06
Locations: Eiger forward
Description: Precision vs power. You may have half as many horses under the hood but the Lotus Exige takes corners like a Formula 1 car. You also weigh only 2000lbs. But your opponent has a significant power advantage. Not to mention he is pretty light as well. Try to make up as much ground as you can on braking and tight corners because your opponent will pull away on the straights. Who will win? American muscle or British engineering?

More battles coming.

 

[Paulie]

Epic battles are so epic I believe GT5 should have its own set of special events called epic battles.

Nice one mate, very true.

 

[Boffin]

the AI would have to be perfect though if you going to creat the "epicness hall"

 

[paskowitz]

Oh yeah, obviously. The Ai would be set at like 100. In fact unless you can post top laptimes these events should be impossible. But when you win imagine how epic you will feel.

 

[sesselpupser]

And like how the licence tests show you what grade you got or 'Fail', epic battles have to have 'EPIC WIN' or 'EPIC FAIL' screens.

But surely these Epic Battles would be just like driving missions, only instead of racing an old car from the same manufacturer you're racing a rival? In other words, it could happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers would object to the game asking the player to beat their car in their leading rival's car, unless you could use either car maybe instead of being given one.

 

[Boffin]

maybe the whole game should just be called GT5 spec:E (for epic of course)

 

[Paulie]

I just want to point out, that the hardest of driving missions should be achieveable for any Division 3 bronze driver at least, including golds in license tests. Motivation for div. 4 and 5, but it's still a game and the general public don't want a game that can't beaten on a generic difficulty level. (I hope that apart from the physics they never introduce difficulty levels in GT games).

 

[ZANELE]

Epic battles are so epic I believe GT5 should have its own set of special events called epic battles. Here is my list of events.

Godzilla vs the world.
Cars: Nissan GTR (Ai) vs any car < 77,700 credits.
Track: Nurburgring
Description: Can any car take the might GTR down? Give chase with whatever you got and see if you can slay Godzilla.

This epic battle i will be looking forward to.

 

[paskowitz]

OMG GT5p spec:e for epic = massive win/epicness! I think that spec e will in fact be GT5, though. So yeah for those rivalry races you would be able to chose any car allowed (except for the GTR one). Personally I think this would make GT5 so much fun.

Here are some more:

Bullit (classic or modern)
Cars: 1968 Ford Mustang 390 CID (highland green) vs 1968 Dodge Charger R/T 440 Magnum (Tuxedo Black) or 2009 Ford Mustang GT Bullit edition vs the Dodge Charger R/T.
Location: San Fran Streets
Description: Its an all out chase in your Mustang. Chase down the baddies in there formidable dodge Charger. Both cars are tail happy and the streets of San Fransisco have many hills and bumps. Careful not to ruin your car going over the massive crests. As you exit the city it will be an all out drag race on the highway to the finish.

Mini car, huge challenge.
Cars: Mini Cooper JCW vs a field of low class cars.
Location: London long circuit
Description: You are racing against the clock. Pass all opposing cars in the tight and technical London circuit before the 7 minute time limit runs out. Your passing skills and maneuvering ability will be challenged.

Super Saloon Shoot Out!
Cars: Audi RS4 vs BMW M3 vs Lexus ISF vs Mercedes C63 AMG
Location: Hockenheimring, Suzuka.
Description: Which super saloon is the best? Which will take the crown, the RS4 with its 4WD, the M3 with its balance, the ISF with its technology or the C63 AMG with its sheer power? Take anyone of these beasts and find out.

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[Peter]

Nissan GTR V-Spec vs. Corvette ZR-1 vs. Viper ACR vs. Porche 911 GT2 at the ring, 10 laps

Dibs on the viper, 7:22 is prettey damn fast!!!

 

[XxTH3_ST1GxX]

Nissan GTR V-Spec vs. Corvette ZR-1 vs. Viper ACR vs. Porche 911 GT2 at the ring, 10 laps

Dibs on the viper, 7:22 is prettey damn fast!!!

You guys should be saying the Z06... the ZR1 is so much better than all the other cars (maybe too) ... the Z06 is the competition

 

[XxTH3_ST1GxX]

Nice idea on the Epic Battles ... that looks interesting and i hope GT makers look at this website for inspriation... haha

 

[paskowitz]

You guys should be saying the Z06... the ZR1 is so much better than all the other cars (maybe too) ... the Z06 is the competition

Uhh I do not think so. Maybe you missed this: Link and this link. The GTR is only 1 second off the ZR1 which has 200 more hp and weighs almost 400 pounds more. The ACR obliterates both by at least 4 seconds. The GT2 is further behind but only because it is harder and scarier to push to the limit. So, no, these cars are all evenly matched. The ACR is not only the fastest but also the second cheapest (only to the GTR). For a reference the Z06 lapped the Nurburgring in 7:42.99. The ACR did it in 7:22.1 and the ZR1 did it in 7:26.4.

 

[MinoltaMan89]

I really want to see the '04 Terminator Cobra vs. the '05 GTO.

 

[Boffin]

Nissan GTR V-Spec vs. Corvette ZR-1 vs. Viper ACR vs. Porche 911 GT2 at the ring, 10 laps

Dibs on the viper, 7:22 is prettey damn fast!!!

Yeah, good luck with keeping it on the thin bumpy track while putting even half of that power down.

I'd take the GTR spec V - but some better tyres would have to be fitted.

 

[Peter]

Yeah, good luck with keeping it on the thin bumpy track while putting even half of that power down.

I'd take the GTR spec V - but some better tyres would have to be fitted.

The viper has some really sticky road legal race tires, so i can have my foot down the whole time, and the downforce should keep you all in my dust while i'm rocketing around those curves

 

[Jay]

so i can have my foot down the whole time,

Except for the stupidly long awkward gearchanges. (which wont get simulated anyway)

 

[lemon619]

It would be great if they included the Aussie V8 Supercars in GT5 not just the Tickford Falcon like in GT4 but like a proper Holden vs Ford Supercar race

 

[paskowitz]

Just some info and opinion on the Viper ACR. I think if GT5 includes this car it will be one of the fastest stock street cars in the game. Go equip the tuned viper with the HP turned down to about 574, turn the weight up all the way (so the power to weight ratio is the same as the ACR) give it S3 tires, stock aero, lower ride height, stiffen up the suspension and change second gear to 1.82. That is pretty close to the ACR. It is a really fun car to drive.

 

[Northstar]

That technically isn't stock, and even if it was it wouldn't even be close to the fastest.

 

[Paulie]

Uhh I do not think so. Maybe you missed this: Link and this link. The GTR is only 1 second off the ZR1 which has 200 more hp and weighs almost 400 pounds more. The ACR obliterates both by at least 4 seconds. The GT2 is further behind but only because it is harder and scarier to push to the limit. So, no, these cars are all evenly matched. The ACR is not only the fastest but also the second cheapest (only to the GTR). For a reference the Z06 lapped the Nurburgring in 7:42.99. The ACR did it in 7:22.1 and the ZR1 did it in 7:26.4.

Oh my goodness, you're using Ring times to compare a GTR to a ZR1? The amount of times the GTR has been back there, equipped with equipment the standard GTR doesn't actually get, is rediculous. What's to say somebody can't go back to The Ring in a ZR1 and set a 7'20 flat? Nothing. Ring times mean nothing at all.
The ACR is a race car for the road. I wish people would stop comparing it to anything Porsche, Nissan, Chevrolet, Ford, AMG etc etc offer at this point in time, because they're wildly different cars. Remove all the ACR's big wings and diffusers, and you're left with a ZR1 competitor, but then the Viper would lose.

 

[Jay]

equipped with equipment the standard GTR doesn't actually get

What equipment? Thats just camera, timing and datalogging equipment which adds weight if anything.

 

[paskowitz]

Ok this is the last thing I am going to say on the matter. Everyone says oh well the ACR is just a suped up viper and that if the ZR1 had all the wings and aero bits and tires it would be faster (and this is true). But guess what, it doesn't. You don't discount the Porsche 911 GT3rs just because it has aero bits and a large rear wing. As long as the price is similar, it and the ACR, are fair game for anything. They are simply what each manufacturer has to offer at the price. Nobody is saying the ZR1 is slow, bah, far from it. On a power circuit it would probably beat the ACR but on a track like the Ring it is faster. Also, it is important not to degrade each cars accomplishments. First the GTR may have some controversy around its lap times but the fact that a car that heavy with about 500hp can go round the Ring even close to as fast as it does is amazing. The ZR1 is also to be commended for being faster than cars with more power and less weight. The ACR too, doing to same and beating cars like the Maserati MC12 which has even more aero and even more power and even less weight. Given the "argument" this has caused I would say already it would be an epic battle.

 

[Paulie]

What equipment? Thats just camera, timing and datalogging equipment which adds weight if anything.

It also had the SpecV's tyres (from what I understand these must be semi-slicks) and the overboost function (I think). The GTR that set the new record is halfway between normal GTR and SpecV. Again though, Nissan's repeated attempts at improving their lap times verse the other manufacturer's one-off displays (let's not forget the ACR driver's horrible driving) scew results even further, as if Ring times aren't unreliable enough as it is.

Edit: @ paskowitz, I'm going to go on a limb here and say the ACR has a lot more downforce than an MC12. Just a thought.

 

[Jay]

It also had the SpecV's tyres (from what I understand these must be semi-slicks) and the overboost function (I think). The GTR that set the new record is halfway between normal GTR and SpecV.

Thats because it's the 2010 spec GTR, with optional wheels and tyres. When they say optional I do expect them to be available as an option for the 2010 model (if not now).

(let's not forget the ACR driver's horrible driving)

Horrible driving? He did what he can with what he had, the gearchanges appeared almost torture which is why he left it to hit limiter sometimes and missed a couple times. If the ACR had a smooth quick shift no doubt quite a few seconds would have been shaved off.

 

[Boffin]

Oh my goodness, you're using Ring times to compare a GTR to a ZR1? The amount of times the GTR has been back there, equipped with equipment the standard GTR doesn't actually get, is rediculous. What's to say somebody can't go back to The Ring in a ZR1 and set a 7'20 flat? Nothing. Ring times mean nothing at all.
The ACR is a race car for the road. I wish people would stop comparing it to anything Porsche, Nissan, Chevrolet, Ford, AMG etc etc offer at this point in time, because they're wildly different cars. Remove all the ACR's big wings and diffusers, and you're left with a ZR1 competitor, but then the Viper would lose.

Well I've read several statements coming from Nissan saying they wouldn't put anything different on the 'ring GTR than the consumer one because it would be unrealistic - and wheres the point in proving something does does something then it isn't sold like that. Also, apparently, the equipment put on board actually came to 50kg. Just because Porsche can't get the time doens't mean it can't be done - even Nissan released statement where the obvious tone was saying Porsche couldn't drive. They said they offer a driver training course to people looking to get the most out of their GTR.

I guess it depends on what side your on. I like Porsche as much as the next bloke, but when a much cheaper brand brings something out that apparently out performs their current flagship, I can't help but get on the bandwagon.

 

[Paulie]

/\ I never said anything about Porsche. Maybe if Porsche decided to add semi-slicks to the GT2 and go back again...............
Maybe if Chevrolet took the pathetic run-flats off the Z06 and put semi-slicks on and went back. That's what Nissan's doing.

 

[paskowitz]

Edit: @ paskowitz, I'm going to go on a limb here and say the ACR has a lot more downforce than an MC12. Just a thought.

The MC12 was designed to be a mkII version of the Enzo. While its brakes were not quite as fancy as the Enzo's it had the same gear box and weighed about 100lbs less. Its body was designed to be as aerodynamic as possible. The ACR may have slightly more down force but the MC12 has an extremely good drag coefficient plus, still very good down force. I do not have exact numbers for you just details about each cars production. It is wider and longer. It is also geared for more acceleration and less top speed. All this together makes a very fast car. Then again it costs over a million $ so whats the point?

Ok now back on topic.