Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

[Fanatec...]

This is not a shock for RC cars anymore but a fully adjustable and industrial grade, custom designed damper. Those cost a fortune to make.

It is certainly not a must have to operate the pedals so we offer them optional.

 

[Nick Moxley]

This is not a shock for RC cars anymore but a fully adjustable and industrial grade, custom designed damper. Those cost a fortune to make.

It is certainly not a must have to operate the pedals so we offer them optional.

I look forward to seeing the guts of these dampers, Any chance of a break down for rebuilding ? I'm going to assume these are pre filled ?

 

[mister dog]

If i look at those prices in general; 750 for a base, 500 for a rim, 400 for a set of pedals, 260 for a shifter and so on, you are going above 2000 bucks for a complete setup already. I bought a second hand car last year for 1500

There's no doubt you'll have the best quality possible for your toy wheel, but you must be really fanatic (see what i did there), to spend that kind of money on your sim racing hobby. I wonder if experience wise it will make that much of a difference with a 400 euro setup which most people buy?

 

[fatkrakr]

Hydraulic brake feeling
The air damper in addition of the pressure sensitive load cell gives you the familiar feeling of a hydraulic brake.


According to the description its an air damper.

 

[Nick Moxley]

Hydraulic brake feeling
The air damper in addition of the pressure sensitive load cell gives you the familiar feeling of a hydraulic brake.


According to the description its an air damper.

Ah but at the same time


"Adjustable damper
The damper resistance can easily be changed by turning a knob and without the need of tools or to change the oil."


Ok Thomas, Spill the beans lol.

 

[fatkrakr]

If i look at those prices in general; 750 for a base, 500 for a rim, 400 for a set of pedals, 260 for a shifter and so on, you are going above 2000 bucks for a complete setup already. I bought a second hand car last year for 1500

There's no doubt you'll have the best quality possible for your toy wheel, but you must be really fanatic (see what i did there), to spend that kind of money on your sim racing hobby. I wonder if experience wise it will make that much of a difference with a 400 euro setup which most people buy?

That's the good thing about sim racing, you can go as cheap or as far out as you and your budget will allow. Either way you can still be competitive.

 

[mister dog]

That's the good thing about sim racing, you can go as cheap or as far out as you and your budget will allow.

That's a general truth for everything
Just wonder if paying 5 times the price will deliver 5 times the enjoyment that's all.

 

[fatkrakr]

That's a general truth for everything
Just wonder if paying 5 times the price will deliver 5 times the enjoyment that's all.

That can only be determined by you.

 

[mister dog]

That can only be determined by you.

Not likely haha i'm a poor bastard.

 

[fatkrakr]

Not likely haha i'm a poor bastard.

When the misses finds out Ill be a poor bastard too....

 

[mister dog]

When the misses finds out Ill be a poor bastard too....

Ah well you can sleep in your rig then (you do have the CSL seat right?)

 

[fatkrakr]

Ah well you can sleep in your rig then (you do have the CSL seat right?)

No it started life as a Playseat Evo and has been modded with this. http://shop.sim-seats.com/SR-2-to-SR-X-conversion-kit-SS-SR2SRX-Kit.htm Also have added a Procar race seat.

 

[Punknoodle]

I built my PC specifically for my build so add the cost of that, plus amp, buttkicker, seat, materials to build, 3 screens, software etc to the cost of the Fanatec and DSD goodies and yeah, told my wife realistically it's probably at least a 5 thousand dollar toy..

Was using a PS3 + G25 on a custom rig with a single TV prior to this though and I can say my immersion and enjoyment has increased substantially, as has my speed, probably through the increased practice that I want to do now.

And mine is very tame compared to other set ups here to give an idea

 

[mister dog]

Triple screens and a buttkicker will definitely increase the immersion, but i don't know if just on wheels and pedals alone it would be worth investing 5 times the money. I doubt it will be that much better compared to like say a CSR or a T300 to justify the huge price difference.

 

[Punknoodle]

Haven't tried either but it's a massive jump from the G25, the feeling of the materials like the alcantara alone is much better, as you are holding an actual race car steering wheel. And being able to quickly swap between my formula rim and gt rim is fantastic for swapping between different GT cars that use different styles of wheel.

 

[LeMansAid]

Triple screens and a buttkicker will definitely increase the immersion, but i don't know if just on wheels and pedals alone it would be worth investing 5 times the money. I doubt it will be that much better compared to like say a CSR or a T300 to justify the huge price difference.

On pedals - I have DFGT pedals, Fanatec standards, CSP V1, and CST Performance pedals, and the prices pretty much align with the experience quality.

On wheels - you're still in the compromise zone with your CSR. At that level, the CSR, Porsche GT2/GT3, and G25/27, all have their notable strengths and weaknesses, and priorities make the difference in choosing. It's great, because if there's a very high priority, a buyer can scratch a certain itch without paying a premium for it. I talk of things like low drag levels with the G27, belt drive with the Fanatecs, or a real feeling rim with the Porsche wheels.

At the high level (ranging maybe from the Fanatec V2 to the Bodnar), features on each wheel are more to scale with each other, and (as with pedals) it comes down to price aligning with experience level for the most part.

I'd see the best value for categories as.....

Mid range - T300 + CSP V3 pedals
Upper Mid - T300 + PT-1 pedals
High - Accuforce + HPP pedals

Arguable then that the T300 could be added to the list of wheels that are in the "to scale" area.

Anyway, I have no doubt that you would be blown away if you grabbed a set of the new Fanatec pedals.

 

[mister dog]

Probably have to take peoples word for it, as I don't have a single buddy here that is dedicated to sim racing. Wouldn't surprise me if I would own the only CSR in town, so 0 chance of ever trying out the fancy equipment

 

[Carson79]

I've had a lot of wheels from older Logitech's to the DFGT then T500 (massive jump) to a CSW and an Elite and now the CSW V2. All I can say is you get what you pay for. It was hard for me back in the beginning to make that mental leap and spend big bucks on Buttkickers, amps, wheels and pedals the list is never ending, but I soon realised it's definitely best buying wisely. The OMG factor when you get an awesome piece of kit like the Porsche rim or the CSW V2 is so worth it alone. Does it make me faster? I can't honestly say, but it gives me more enjoyment than the DFGT would.

 

[mister dog]

I've had a lot of wheels from older Logitech's to the DFGT then T500 (massive jump) to a CSW and an Elite and now the CSW V2. All I can say is you get what you pay for. It was hard for me back in the beginning to make that mental leap and spend big bucks on Buttkickers, amps, wheels and pedals the list is never ending, but I soon realised it's definitely best buying wisely. The OMG factor when you get an awesome piece of kit like the Porsche rim or the CSW V2 is so worth it alone. Does it make me faster? I can't honestly say, but it gives me more enjoyment than the DFGT would.

I agree it looks incredibly cool that Porsche rim, but not talking about looks for a moment; with regards to feel and FFB it was worth 5 times the money?

 

[fatkrakr]

I agree it looks incredibly cool that Porsche rim, but not talking about looks for a moment; with regards to feel and FFB it was worth 5 times the money?

It was worth MY money. I nor anyone else can say if it will be worth yours. With that said, if your using the rent money to buy sim gear its probably not worth it. If your lucky enough to have the money laying around with no specific plans and enjoy sim racing it probably is worth it.

 

[mister dog]

Let me rephrase my question, is the FFB and feel 5 times better?

 

[fatkrakr]

Let me rephrase my question, is the FFB and feel 5 times better?

I think that's what where trying to say or at least I am. Maybe not just the ffb, but as a whole package I feel it was worth 5x the price.

 

[9ice_1]

And I'm glad to say my V2 base will be coming through the door today. I can't use it since I don't have pedals or wheels yet but I'm still very excited to know I've got it coming.

Ps: @Fanatec please ask support to reply to my email please (subjected: "frantic to start my fanatec adventure v2")

 

[mister dog]

Fair enough

 

[Carson79]

There's no comparing a DFGT to the CSW V2. Definitely Worth 5 times more. Is the FFB 5 times better....IMO its 5 times better than the T500RS.
I wish I could let you try it you wouldn't believe how powerful and smooth it is

 

[LeMansAid]

Let me rephrase my question, is the FFB and feel 5 times better?

As negative as it sounds, most of this is about gear that's less terrible, rather than degrees of better. It's about the effective suspension of disbelief, and it's the number of things you don't notice that often mean the most. It's about having as few gaps as possible for the mind to have to fill in, or overcome.

If someone wants lap times..... they can just grab a DFGT and practice. Most of us covet immersion most though, and are willing to pay for it.

There's a change in thinking required sometimes though that oddly enough I have a pizza analogy for. The very best pizza can sometimes cost as much as a restaurant meal, but it's still just lowly pizza right? Wrong. Level of enjoyment is king, as with hobbies. Just because the lineage of this hobby might be gaming, doesn't mean we have to limit the level of commitment accordingly (financially or otherwise).

People spend ridiculous money on all sorts of crap. At least we use our stuff.

 

[fatkrakr]

As negative as it sounds, most of this is about gear that's less terrible, rather than degrees of better. It's about the effective suspension of disbelief, and it's the number of things you don't notice that often mean the most. It's about having as few gaps as possible for the mind to have to fill in, or overcome.

If someone wants lap times..... they can just grab a DFGT and practice. Most of us covet immersion most though, and are willing to pay for it.

There's a change in thinking required sometimes though that oddly enough I have a pizza analogy for. The very best pizza can sometimes cost as much as a restaurant meal, but it's still just lowly pizza right? Wrong. Level of enjoyment is king, as with hobbies. Just because the lineage of this hobby might be gaming, doesn't mean we have to limit the level of commitment accordingly (financially or otherwise).

People spend ridiculous money on all sorts of crap. At least we use our stuff.

Well said.

 

[mister dog]

Yes i agree, i spend about 700 bucks on my rig so far which is already quite a lot of money. And if ones savings can afford going into the thousands of dollars/euros for better equipment why not. I'm just not sure the tech will be that much more advanced that for example you'd feel riding on gravel and the finer details of the road surface + tyres a lot better if you compare the FFB from a CS+V2 to a standard CSR. There's only so much a game can simulate and feed back through your wheel even if it can distinguish and replicate a lot more due it's tech (which i'm not sure off either).

It's difficult to explain as we all love what we have, i guess i'm just going to have to try one of those wheels for myself in order to reach a conclusion.

 

[fatkrakr]

Yes i agree, i spend about 700 bucks on my rig so far which is already quite a lot of money. And if ones savings can afford going into the thousands of dollars/euros for better equipment why not. I'm just not sure the tech will be that much more advanced that for example you'd feel riding on gravel and the finer details of the road surface + tyres a lot better if you compare the FFB from a CS+V2 to a standard CSR. There's only so much a game can simulate and feed back through your wheel even if it can distinguish and replicate a lot more due it's tech (which i'm not sure off either).

It's difficult to explain as we all love what we have, i guess i'm just going to have to try one of those wheels for myself in order to reach a conclusion.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. I never new what tearing looked like, but heard about it for years. I purposefully avoided reading about what it was, one day I accidently read a post that described it (I know hows that happen? ) and every since I see it all the time.

 

[mister dog]

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. I never new what tearing looked like, but heard about it for years. I purposefully avoided reading about what it was, one day I accidently read a post that described it (I know hows that happen? ) and every since I see it all the time.

Screen tearing? Cured by Vsync