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Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out
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Need an ancient Greek god or biblical figure in your movie or play? Call Thomas @ Fanatec
"You're live on facebook" doesn't really cut it.
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I miss those ISRTV videos with Thomas coyly dodging questions about the next product and then going through countless delays. Good times. Now Fanatec products just come out when they are ready (probably for the best). Looks like Thomas has been on some type of pilgrimage. Maybe he found some holy mechanical drive in Nepal.
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If I might, my own insanity. I love the (CSW V2) wheel, but these console restrictions are pushing me back to the PC wars, I was happy to leave. Now they are loooking more and more friendly.
Assetto Corsa and Fanatec on PC, awesome, I hope.
Assetto Corsa and Fanatec on PC, awesome, I hope.
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Nevermind....I just read Thomas's BLOG from the Fanatec website posted on OCT 7. Basically, a PS4 hub is off the table due to SONY simply saying NO. Moving forward...if you want the quality of the V2 base on the PS4 you're SOL. Those days are now officially over for racing games beyond F1 2015 and Project Cars. Looks like they "might" develop/make a CSL type base for the PS4 and possibly use existing wheel rims. For me that's a huge step down. I've been enjoying the quality and immersion of the V1 AND V2 for years on PS3 and PS4 for the games that it did work on. Going to a CSL type base is hurting in my book. Just my two cents for someone who enjoys high-end wheels on Sony consoles.
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Then it's time for you to move to PC. At least now you get Forza in addition to all the multiplatform sims.
The alternatives are:
1. Wait for Thrustmaster's GTS wheel (supposedly Direct Drive, we'll see), sell your Fanatec kit and move over.
2. Look into the emulators which are coming out. Fanatec CSWv2 can pretend to be a G27, which can then be emulated into a G29 using something like the GIMX adapter (http://gimx.fr/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)
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Whining on and on about not being able to mount with three bolt points when there's every chance he could have just drilled an M6 hole right through both plate and strut, then a larger hole through one side of the strut, big enough for the screw head to fit.
Made the video really annoying to watch, and kind of seemed to barge some of the more important comparisons out of the way a bit.
Made the video really annoying to watch, and kind of seemed to barge some of the more important comparisons out of the way a bit.
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The video was annoying to watch, and obviously ISR comes over as getting heavy support via "Thrustmaster advertising revenue" which can't help but affect their impartiality.
And yet....
He's the first reviewer who actually did a reasonable comparison of the TX, CSL Elite and CSWv2 bases. He didn't just say "it's better than Thrustmaster" like certain other reviewers. He went into detail about what he likes and dislikes between the two. Even assuming he's being "nice" to Thrustmaster, I found the comments enlightening. I'm glad he made them.
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I don't know what to think after watching ISR's review of the CSL base. I still want one and, mounting issues won't be a problem for me. I'll make use of the clamp since I am playing at an old drafting desk. But the on center strength is an issue I do have with my current CSR wheel base. Granted I only played XB360 games with the wheel base and I attributed most of that to the limitations of the console... But still, that issue is concerning. It won't break the deal, but I must say that I am interested in trying both the CSL and the TX before making my decision now.
As for the CSL wheel rim... It's a non issue for me. I'm not interested in it at all.
As for the CSL wheel rim... It's a non issue for me. I'm not interested in it at all.
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Take ISRTV reviews with a grain of salt. They are funded by Thrustmaster.
The mounting issue is a legitimate criticism of the CSL wheel. Fanatec should have just stuck with the same four hole mounting pattern that all of its wheels for the past 6 years have used.
That being said, Thrustmaster wheels don't mount perfectly either. I stripped one of the threads on my T300RS before it broke. That made mounting it securely a real challenge.
In the end, you get what you pay for. $300 is going to get you a wheel that requires some compromises.
That being said, Thrustmaster wheels don't mount perfectly either. I stripped one of the threads on my T300RS before it broke. That made mounting it securely a real challenge.
In the end, you get what you pay for. $300 is going to get you a wheel that requires some compromises.
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So i will just say what @Fanatec... can't : The ISRTV review sucks, they are complete idiots if they can't find a way to securely mount a wheelbase and then try to hide their incompentance by complaining about the mouting solution.
Fact is that the drilling hole pattern of the CSL wheel is the same as the CSR-Elite, CSWv1 and the CSWv2 (without their angle mounts) So as a reviewer if you can't securely mount a wheel with a drilling hole pattern that has been on the market for years, what does that say about you as a reviewer?
Instead of making a little bit of effort to mount the wheel in the right way, he just used post-it memos? How can you be THAT stupid ????
Don't forget this is the second wheel he got from fanatec, since he already screwed up the first beta one when mounting it to his rig.
Offcourse @Fanatec can't reply like this and he has to be nice to the reviewer, but i found his reponse very accurate and appropriate.
Fact is that the drilling hole pattern of the CSL wheel is the same as the CSR-Elite, CSWv1 and the CSWv2 (without their angle mounts) So as a reviewer if you can't securely mount a wheel with a drilling hole pattern that has been on the market for years, what does that say about you as a reviewer?
Instead of making a little bit of effort to mount the wheel in the right way, he just used post-it memos? How can you be THAT stupid ????
Don't forget this is the second wheel he got from fanatec, since he already screwed up the first beta one when mounting it to his rig.
Offcourse @Fanatec can't reply like this and he has to be nice to the reviewer, but i found his reponse very accurate and appropriate.
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This is what they says abou the center feeling:
"...the Fanatec wheels fought my steering inputs, while the Thrustmaster would let me place the wheel where I wanted it."
Basically they complained that our wheel was correctly displaying the signals it gets from the game. The single drive system of the CSL Elite base as well as the full metal belt drive of the CSW deliver subtle force feedback effects instead of filtering them out. It is as close as you can get to a Direct Drive wheel and usually people see that as a big pro.
It is strange that someone tries to add artificial deadzone in order to make the center feeling more mushy on purpose just because this is what he is used to.
And this is what they about FF strength:
"In comparison to the Thrustmaster TX, the Fanatec CSL force feedback is a little stronger"
The CSL Elite base has over 6 NM of torque on the steering axis and the TX has about 4NM. This means our wheel is about 50% stronger and it does not lose power after some gameplay.
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Apologies, I didn't see how else to interpret your words: "grain of salt".
To be honest, the actual statements about power and center feel didn't seem to be "biased" or "hyped", so much as stating his opinions in what sounded quite open and honest. The comments afterwards about rim quality was definitely showing a level of bias, although the statement about cost of rims is obviously true.
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While I'm not trying to defend him, I heard him say it a little differently. He stated that in his opinion the TM center forces were present (not a deadzone) and felt logical to him, whereas on Fanatec wheels he finds himself fighting forces around center which he feels are less realistic.He was complaining because the CSL doesn't have as big a dead zone on center as the TM does.
Now that's obviously his opinion. It could be one of many reasons:
- His Fanatec settings were rubbish, and he was fighting the wheel because he didn't configure things sensibly (maybe too high minimum force setting?)
- He likes "muted" forces around center, and his TX feel was more to his taste than his Fanatec feel
- He has a valid point and there is actually a more "natural" feel to the forces around center on a TX than a Fanatec wheel (edit: also incorporating his experience of Accuforce, obviously)
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I asked them if we could also advertize on their channel and they said that Thrustmaster does not like that.
It looks like they also don't do comparisons with our pedals. Guess why...
It looks like they also don't do comparisons with our pedals. Guess why...
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