Fanatec Podium Direct Drive Wheel Bases Thread
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I haven't yet bought Fanatec, I haven't driven a sim for several years, when I did a fair bit of driving ... so now, I am buying a cockpit and wheel etc. I had presumed the DD shipped on July 4th. I still have a Logitech G25 though.
I have a games PC too now (not used it yet) and a PS4, etc. The game sim I liked was Gran Turismo.
The problem for me is that I am getting the cockpit soon ... but in order to use the PS4, I'll have to buy something else until the DD comes along. I could get the Elite, but if I do, I'd have to sell it in December. Or whenever the DD1 PS4 actually ships (since for example the McLaren wheel shipped after its shipping date).
Its a shame there isn't a trade in scheme for guys like me?
Anyhow - a serious question. If something goes wrong, do I ship a Fanatec device to somewhere in Australia? Is there a local telephone number. And a local email address?
Thanks
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Right. And what if we all pre-order the wheels by ourselves? All of them! No customer will get any wheel at any price!
Yes it is all about money. Do you think our developers work for free and that our manufacturers give away the wheels for free because there are needy simracers out there who absolutely must have the very best equipment available but are not willing to pay a reasonable market price for it?
Please think about your statement.
I believe some transparency after the auction ended will do the job best! The idea for the auction is great and as you know in ebay you can see how the bids happened in their real time and from which user( few hidden letters from name )
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Thank you !!!!
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Why so many complaints about price? If you compare the Fanatec DD with a OSW you will notice some significant differences in engeineering and design. An OSW has huge cables and controllebox and needs some tinkering with software to make it work. The Fanatec DD is going for Plug & play. But above all, Fanatec is a business and need to recoupe R&D and of course make a profit for the shareholders.
Jeez... If you dont like the price just dont buy it! There are cheaper alternatives. FeelVR is probably going to be the cheapest option with some Plug & playability. I have my own problems with Fanatec... but never about price! If Fanatec werent appropiately priced (too expensive or too cheap) they would have been out of business.
Jeez... If you dont like the price just dont buy it! There are cheaper alternatives. FeelVR is probably going to be the cheapest option with some Plug & playability. I have my own problems with Fanatec... but never about price! If Fanatec werent appropiately priced (too expensive or too cheap) they would have been out of business.
Yup, repair place is is NSW. You just post it back and under warranty they will refund your shipping costs.
Corsa
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Exactly, when you can have an AF Pro shipped today for $899.
The End.
https://simxperience.com/products/accessories/accuforcesteering/accuforcesteeringsystem.aspx
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Indeed but if you have never tried a Servo motor, you won't feel anything wrong when using an AF. When you have the change to try them both, you probably are going to choose for a Servo motor.
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Have you measured the holding torque like Fanatec almost certainly has? Or are you just talking nonsense? You seem to be the one trying to confuse people by speculating things when you don't actually have the facts.
Here is a page that lists the PEAK TORQUE values of the various MiGE motors. Plus the actual peak torque values possible which is entirely dependent on the power supply used.
https://granitedevices.com/wiki/List_of_motors_for_SimuCUBE
And oh. What do we have here? 2 minutes of googling and we have the specs of the MiGE 130ST-M15015:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-det....galleryofferlist.normalList.1.66a26ed5OqHX0n
15Nm holding torque with 30Nm peak torque.
MOTOR MODEL 130ST-M15015
Rated power(w) 2300
Rated voltage(v) 220
Rated current(A) 9.5
Rated speed(rpm) 1500
Holding torque(N.m) 15
Peak torque(N.m) 30
Voltage constant(v/1000r/min) 114
Torque coefficient(N.m/A) 1.58
Rotor inertia(kg.m2) 2.77×10¯3
Line-Line Resistance(Ω) 1.1
Line-Line Inductance(mH) 4.45
Machanical time constant(MS) 4.05
Weight(kg) 12.6
Encoder line number(PPR) 2500
Insulation class Class F
Safety class IP65
The operating of environmental conditions temperature: -20°c ~ +40°c Humidity: Below 90%RH No dewing
It's actually very disingenuous for all of these companies selling these mickey mouse direct drive packages to not list the actual holding torque like Fanatec has. If this MiGE motor actually had a holding torque of 30Nm with FFB at full most people wouldn't even be able to turn the wheel at all. The MiGe motors are fine, but blindly saying they are better than what Fanatec is offering makes no sense at all. The MiGE motors are universal industrial motors that are in no way designed for sim racing. What Fanatec is offering are custom designed motors specifically for sim racing.
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Anyone who buys the DD2 pls make sure to quickly pull your hands away from the wheel in the event of an accident, haha. Fanatec really should make people sign a waiver buying these things.
It will definitely be interesting to see what level people end up running these wheels at. Most people seem to run their 10-15Nm holding torque MiGE based setups at around 25-50%.
Quite.Anyone who buys the DD2 pls make sure to quickly pull your hands away from the wheel in the event of an accident, haha. Fanatec really should make people sign a waiver buying these things.
In AC, I turn down my G25 with a real steering wheel (35cm) down to 15%. I probably don't need a DD wheel for the torque. I want a DD wheel because of the realisme, the feeling, the smoothness; the ....................... .
For me personally, the DD1 & 2 has one big advantage over the the OSW, it is not limited to 900°, the OSW is, I think.
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If all you care about is getting a cheap DD wheel, then go ahead. But there's no way to sugarcoat the fact that the AccuForce is the worst DD wheel on the market when it comes to performance and hardware. IMO, DD wheels are high end products for people who wants the best technology available, so constantly moaning about the price is pointless.
There's no good reason to get the cheapest Direct Drive wheel, just for the sake of having a Direct Drive wheel.
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I think what a lot of people underestimate is Plug & play. Just plug in usb, load the drivers and play...
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- andrewhake
Another big one is on wheel turning capability. Full control of all the wheel base settings with a few buttons and knobs.
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I'll wait until they start getting distributed for reviews to form any opinion, I have a very high regard for Fanatec.
My CSR Elite I bought when it released in 2011 is still going strong with 8000+ hours on it.
Doesn't change my opinion however that all in a base and GT/Forza clubsport rim you're looking at $1900+ tax/shipping and that's alot of coin for your plug and play preorder.
My CSR Elite I bought when it released in 2011 is still going strong with 8000+ hours on it.
Doesn't change my opinion however that all in a base and GT/Forza clubsport rim you're looking at $1900+ tax/shipping and that's alot of coin for your plug and play preorder.
Thanks. That was very helpful.
I am quite surprised the 30Nm MiGE motor is really 15Nm of holding torque.
That really puts everything into perspective.
Though if you look at that 1500rpm rated speed and compare it to Fanatec’s graphs showing theirs being the fastest at 350RPM you will also see they aren’t exactly being liberal with the truth. All the other wheels are limited to stop them being dangerous and unrealistic.
Whilst they might not be custom motors the motors which are used are specifically chosen for their characteristics matching the intended use. Not to mention what’s more durable an industrial motor designed for 24/7 use or a custom motor designed for sim racing? What’s been tested for years in the field? There are a lot of cons to a custom motor never before used too and how many complaints of dead DD wheel motors do you see, I’ve never seen a single one.
Go look at the top Kollmorgen motors, you can get absolutely ridiculous ones with 100Nm of holding torque but there is much more to the motor than just torque numbers and max rotation speed.
I actually keep looking at other DD wheels because I could use more power, I run the AF V2 at 100% and it’s never felt like it could actually overpower me and that’s 13Nm holding, 16Nm peaks. Probably not really necessary though as the thing which is the real issue is the sudden increase in force like hitting a curb that really is impossible to keep the wheel still.Anyone who buys the DD2 pls make sure to quickly pull your hands away from the wheel in the event of an accident, haha. Fanatec really should make people sign a waiver buying these things.
It will definitely be interesting to see what level people end up running these wheels at. Most people seem to run their 10-15Nm holding torque MiGE based setups at around 25-50%.
Again unless you’ve actually used one you should probably refrain from commenting. Yes from a hardware perspective it’s not as good as the more expensive motors but compared to any belt/gear wheels it blows them out of the water on both performance and durability. Sim Commander telemetry also puts it above and beyond any other wheel in certain games because it turns crap FFB which a better wheel can’t fix into good FFB, you’d be amazed.
I know someone who has both an OSW and Accuforce for this very reason.
Anyway torque ripple which people seem to think is some major thing is literally just a little bit of ‘grainyness’ or ‘buzz’ in the wheel as you turn it. For comparison the cogging in Thrustmaster and Logitech wheels is much more pronounced but it’s not as smooth as the CSW wheels, the OSW is smoother than the Accuforce though and the Bodnar also very smooth so not sure how much of an issue it really is.
Personally I decided it wasn’t an issue after driving a number of cars which themselves didn’t have perfectly smooth steering and most of the time you can’t actually feel it anyway.
Anyway much as what I’m saying may seem like criticism but actually at this kind of expenditure I’m very aware of all the positives AND negatives and I’m not just going to blindly throw down money because of marketing.
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- andrewhake
It's so fun watching everyone come in here to defend their purchase of other DD setups. 
It's a good sign for Fanatec.
It's a good sign for Fanatec.
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OK,thanks.
A bit strange though because their Facebook page said their shipping warehouse was in Melbourne! No telephone number makes me feel insecure ... I've read about someone who did not get answers vis a vis a brake set with a failed pressure load cell. He reckoned he ended up buying the load cell on ebay ...
