Fanatec Podium Direct Drive Wheel Bases Thread

[kikie]

You made your statement, but you can ask any high rated simracers and they won't agree.

These kind of statements are BS. How can you in Gods name know what others want and think. The way you say it sounds like you know everything what all the sim racers want. You must be psychic. No insult intended.

Also I do not agree. I have watched youtube clips were serious sim racers say that the brake pedal is the only one that matters. Watch the youtube clips of Shaun Cole of TheSimPit and older clips from when he was still part of Inside Sim Racing.

The throttle control is important and higher end pedals gives you also that. But keep call them overrated.

I agree. The throttle is also important but not that important that you need very expensive high end pedals. Put a very accurate pot meter in a G27 throttle and you will have the same result. The same with the brake pedal. Change the brake pedal of the G27 using a load cell and you will have more than accuracy enough to modulate the brake pedal.

BTW, you assume that I wasn't a serious sim racer, I guess. Well, I was and I'm one of those sim racers that would say if being asked, that the brake pedal is the only really important pedal.

Second BTW I used an AccuForce wheel in combination with Heusinkveld pedals ( with pressure brake pedal, not a load cell) and I was NOT impressed with these pedals. I was impressed with the AC though.

A good DD wheel is worth the money.

 

[super_gt]

Put a very accurate pot meter in a G27 throttle and you will have the same result.

No.I have CSL Elite pedals which have12 bit (4096 values) resolution but the throttle pedal is very soft(not softer than G27 throttle pedal).I also have this pedals which have 10 bit (1024 values) resolution but the throttle pedal needs 17kg. pressure to apply full throttle and I have much better throttle control with this pedal than CSL Elite throttle pedal.The pedal travel of both pedals (my pedals and CSL Elite)is approximately the same.

 

[kikie]

No.I have CSL Elite pedals which have12 bit (4096 values) resolution but the throttle pedal is very soft(not softer than G27 throttle pedal).I also have this pedals which have 10 bit (1024 values) resolution but the throttle pedal needs 17kg. pressure to apply full throttle and I have much better throttle control with this pedal than CSL Elite throttle pedal.

I believe you but you guys don't seem to get what I mean. You don't need overrated high end pedals such as Heusinkveld. Get a mod for the G27 brake pedal and a mod for the throttle (better pot meters maybe combined with a Bodnar adapter and you will have the same result for a lot less money.

Those high end pedals look the part and you pay for what you get. But you don't need those fancy looking pedals. A G27 with a very good brake pedal is enough. And/or combined with a modified throttle.

But if you guys like to spend a lot of money on high end pedals, use them, buy them, enjoy them. It is your money and your pleasure. I know for sure that I will never buy very expensive high end pedals. Unless I have to when I buy a DD1 and I can't use my G27 pedals anymore.

 

[PocketZeven]

I believe you but you guys don't seem to get what I mean. You don't need overrated high end pedals such as Heusinkveld. Get a mod for the G27 brake pedal and a mod for the throttle (better pot meters maybe combined with a Bodnar adapter and you will have the same result for a lot less money.

Those high end pedals look the part and you pay for what you get. But you don't need those fancy looking pedals. A G27 with a very good brake pedal is enough. And/or combined with a modified throttle.

But if you guys like to spend a lot of money on high end pedals, use them, buy them, enjoy them. It is your money and your pleasure. I know for sure that I will never buy very expensive high end pedals. Unless I have to when I buy a DD1 and I can't use my G27 pedals anymore.

I dont agree with that statement.

In that rhetoric a G27 wheel is also enough. It is well documented that a great deal of people improve laptimes upgrading their pedals compared to upgrading their wheel. If you never tried any other pedals then G27 pedals you are definately missing a lot. In my opinion you should upgrade pedals before you upgrade your wheel.

 

[super_gt]

Those high end pedals look the part and you pay for what you get. But you don't need those fancy looking pedals. A G27 with a very good brake pedal is enough. And/or combined with a modified throttle.

I can agree that for most people G27 pedals with good brake and throttle pedal mod is good enough.

 

[LearnersPermit]

I know I can use any pedal set with the Fanatec DD wheels on PC (I’m doing that anyway with the Bodnar and HE Ultimates) but at that point I have to ask myself why? What does the Fanatec wheel provide over the Bodnar on PC sims? and currently the answer is nothing.

About the other point about the ugliness of the HE pedals, well I really love everything about them, also love how easy they connect to my sim labs P1 (in silver of course) a few quick turns on the 8 bolts for the clutch and break and I can set them super wide apart from the gas for F1 racing (left foot breaking)

And finally I’m not bothered by the Bodnar’s control box since it’s hidden 6 feet away from my rig and I can’t see it in VR either, lol

I will still keep an eye on Fanatec maybe they will show something that will give me back that “child in Christmas Day feeling”, but the DD1 and DD2 are no longer on my shopping list.

 

[kikie]

I dont agree with that statement.

In that rhetoric a G27 wheel is also enough. It is well documented that a great deal of people improve laptimes upgrading their pedals compared to upgrading their wheel. If you never tried any other pedals then G27 pedals you are definately missing a lot. In my opinion you should upgrade pedals before you upgrade your wheel.

You definitely didn't read my posts. I said that I used the Heusinkveld pedals in combination with the AccuForce and I was NOT impressed with the Heusinkveld pedals. My standard G27 throttle and clutch were as good. Of course not the brake pedal. The brake pedal of a standard G27 is crap.

I totally agree with your opinion that you should upgrade your brake pedal (see what i did there ) before upgrading your steering wheel. But I stand with my opinion that high end pedals are a waste of money. All you need is a very good load cell brake pedal and you have very good G27 brake pedals mods.
Tell me why there are so many brake mods for mainstream pedals and hardly any throttle and clutch mod? I can't find the youtube clips where they say that you only need to change the brake pedal, nothing else.

Good thread.

Back to the DD1 and DD2.

 

[PocketZeven]

You definitely didn't read my posts. I said that I used the Heusinkveld pedals in combination with the AccuForce and I was NOT impressed with the Heusinkveld pedals. My standard G27 throttle and clutch were as good. Of course not the brake pedal. The brake pedal of a standard G27 is crap.

I totally agree with your opinion that you should upgrade your brake pedal (see what i did there ) before upgrading your steering wheel. But I stand with my opinion that high end pedals are a waste of money. All you need is a very good load cell brake pedal and you have very good G27 brake pedals mods.
Tell me why there are so many brake mods for mainstream pedals and hardly any throttle and clutch mod? I can't find the youtube clips where they say that you only need to change the brake pedal, nothing else.

Good thread.

Back to the DD1 and DD2.

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You definitely didn't read my posts. I said that I used the Heusinkveld pedals in combination with the AccuForce and I was NOT impressed with the Heusinkveld pedals. My standard G27 throttle and clutch were as good. Of course not the brake pedal. The brake pedal of a standard G27 is crap.

I totally agree with your opinion that you should upgrade your brake pedal (see what i did there ) before upgrading your steering wheel. But I stand with my opinion that high end pedals are a waste of money. All you need is a very good load cell brake pedal and you have very good G27 brake pedals mods.
Tell me why there are so many brake mods for mainstream pedals and hardly any throttle and clutch mod? I can't find the youtube clips where they say that you only need to change the brake pedal, nothing else.

Good thread.

Back to the DD1 and DD2.

Pesonally those G27 pedals make way too much noise. My current pedals are way quieter and appreciate the extra throw in the gass. Upgrading brake pedal in most cases means upgrading the pedalset. The G27 upgrade kits are inferior to a proper LC brake. Also for immersion some people want to use shoes with simracing. Then the G27 pedals are just not good enough. (CSL-e also not good enough)

 

[kikie]

I can agree that for most people G27 pedals with good brake and throttle pedal mod is good enough.

I'm not talking about good enough, I'm talking about how expensive, how fancy and good looking high end pedals are and you don't need to spend all that money on a very good pedal set. It won't make you faster because they look good. It won't make you faster because they are CNC machined (or whatever you call it). It won't make you faster because everybody likes these pedals because they look like real race car pedals.

It is the overall package I'm talking about. The way they look, the special clutch pedal (heck most people don't even use the clutch in racing, they use the paddles behind the wheel), the very high resolution throttle, the hydraulic pressure pedal (which is a wast of money because the hydraulic pressure is transferred into a 5V USB signal).

You can make your own cheap pedals by changing the brake pedal from your G27 or Thrustmaster pedals and if necessary a higher resolution pot meter for the throttle. This will make you as fast as those very good looking and fancy high end pedels.

 

[PocketZeven]

I'm not talking about good enough, I'm talking about how expensive, how fancy and good looking high end pedals are and you don't need to spend all that money on a very good pedal set. It won't make you faster because they look good. It won't make you faster because they are CNC machined (or whatever you call it). It won't make you faster because everybody likes these pedals because they look like real race car pedals.

It is the overall package I'm talking about. The way they look, the special clutch pedal (heck most people don't even use the clutch in racing, they use the paddles behind the wheel), the very high resolution throttle, the hydraulic pressure pedal (which is a wast of money because the hydraulic pressure is transferred into a 5V USB signal).

You can make your own cheap pedals by changing the brake pedal from your G27 or Thrustmaster pedals and if necessary a higher resolution pot meter for the throttle. This will make you as fast as those very good looking and fancy high end pedels.

I understand its your personal opinion. But your telling it like an advise to other people. Then I just dont agree. The weight, build quality and size all are important to a pedalset. Some people do get faster.

 

[Zathra5_]

I'm not going to pile up on anyone. I will just say this. I'm on the fence comparing Fanatec's CSP V3s to Proto-Sim Tech's PT2 pedals. I always find myself saying "for a little bit more I can get...". Still the CSPs is not bad at all, so...?

I did not know Fanatec was making Podium Pedals so soon. Interesting.

I'm moving from CSP V2 pedals to Protosimtech PT2 pedals. The CSP pedals were a huge step up from my modded G25 pedals but I still found them a little vague. I have always disliked the placement of the damper. The damper should not be in parallel with the load cell. I see that they have not corrected the design with the V3s although at least you can go with the performance kit and forego the damper. It will be interesting to see how the PT2s stack up to the V2s.

 

[F Inferno]

I'm not talking about good enough, I'm talking about how expensive, how fancy and good looking high end pedals are and you don't need to spend all that money on a very good pedal set. It won't make you faster because they look good. It won't make you faster because they are CNC machined (or whatever you call it). It won't make you faster because everybody likes these pedals because they look like real race car pedals.

It is the overall package I'm talking about. The way they look, the special clutch pedal (heck most people don't even use the clutch in racing, they use the paddles behind the wheel), the very high resolution throttle, the hydraulic pressure pedal (which is a wast of money because the hydraulic pressure is transferred into a 5V USB signal).

You can make your own cheap pedals by changing the brake pedal from your G27 or Thrustmaster pedals and if necessary a higher resolution pot meter for the throttle. This will make you as fast as those very good looking and fancy high end pedels.

You seem to forget that those who don’t need a clutch can buy just a throttle and brake pedal and don’t even need to have the clutch on their rig which you can’t do with the clubsport pedals or G27, you buy it all as a package and pay the additional cost.

Most of the cost of HE pedals and the other high end ones is the brake pedal if you check the pricing.

I still disagree with you that the throttle especially is not important, the Fanatec, Logitech and Thrustmaster ones are just too soft to modulate as easily as what you can do with the HE ones. Now you may like the softness but the fact is you can’t adjust them at all so if you don’t like it you’re stuffed. With HE you can adjust from really soft to harder than the brake pedals in the cheapo pedals and it’s important to get a level of resistance you’re comfortable with when it comes to throttle modulation.

Designing pedals to allow multiple configurations and setup options and still be solid and reliable costs money I’m afraid. Too many people expect the world for pennies without actually considering the costs that go into the products or the fact the high end stuff is done by small companies.

Just look at those PT-2 pedals for $400 and the guy is worried about upping the price a meagre $80 so he can make a small profit on them and not give them away for cost price.

 

[kikie]

I understand its your personal opinion. But your telling it like an advise to other people. Then I just dont agree. The weight, build quality and size all are important to a pedalset. Some people do get faster.

Nope, it is not an advice. I'm pretty sure you don't read everything I write. I said in a previous post that it is the opinion of all of guys, your money and your life and you can do with it what you want.

I'm sure that the much cheaper FeelVR pedals are going to be as good and the much more expensive high end pedals, whatever they are called. I stand by my opinion that high end pedals are too expensive and overrated.

I'm sorry but I don't believe that build quality can make somebody faster. The build quality of the Thrustmaster pedals is not bad. Even the G27 uses metal for the clutch, brake and throttle. Unless you mean the build quality of the brake pedal load cell and electronics. In that case, I agree.


Back on topic: I just came to think of something. If I should buy the DD1, I won't be needing the emergency stop because I'm going to turn down the torque to a safe level.

 

[PocketZeven]

Nope, it is not an advice. I'm pretty sure you don't read everything I write. I said in a previous post that it is the opinion of all of guys, your money and your life and you can do with it what you want.

I'm sure that the much cheaper FeelVR pedals are going to be as good and the much more expensive high end pedals, whatever they are called. I stand by my opinion that high end pedals are too expensive and overrated.

I'm sorry but I don't believe that build quality can make somebody faster. The build quality of the Thrustmaster pedals is not bad. Even the G27 uses metal for the clutch, brake and throttle. Unless you mean the build quality of the brake pedal load cell and electronics. In that case, I agree.


Back on topic: I just came to think of something. If I should buy the DD1, I won't be needing the emergency stop because I'm going to turn down the torque to a safe level.

Yet you state:

It won't make you faster because they look good. It won't make you faster because they are CNC machined (or whatever you call it). It won't make you faster because everybody likes these pedals because they look like real race car pedals.

This will make you as fast as those very good looking and fancy high end pedels.

Replace you with "me" and it will look more like an opinion.

 

[kikie]

I still disagree with you that the throttle especially is not important, the Fanatec,

I said that the throttle is important as well but not as important as the brake pedal. Read my posts again, please.

Edit; I might have said it in my first or second post.

Yet you state:



Replace you with "me" and it will look more like an opinion.

But that is just it, I didn't write "me". You are fishing and twisting my words.

 

[PocketZeven]

But that is just it, I didn't write "me". You are fishing and twisting my words.

No im not twisting words. You are stating that "you (the reader) should not buy high end pedals, because they are not worth it". If you stated "I think High end pedals are overrated" ,
Or "Highend pedals dont make you (the reader) faster" should have been "Highend pedals dont make me any faster" or "In my opinion High end pedals dont make you faster"

It would have looked a lot different.

 

[kikie]

No im not twisting words. You are stating that "you (the reader) should not buy high end pedals, because they are not worth it". If you stated "I think High end pedals are overrated" it would have looked a lot different.

The "you" is general, not specific to anyone. Stop trying to twist my words.

I'm the writer, not the reader. Of course I think these high end pedals are overrated. I don't know what others think. I never said that other people think that these are overrated. I already said in previous posts that I have my opinion and you (a certain person I quoted) has his opinion. You are definitely twisting my words.

This is getting way off topic. I don't like it anymore. I'm getting agitated.

Please stop! This conversation is getting nowhere.


As I said before, if I buy a DD1 wheel, I will have to buy one of these overrated high end pedals because I won't be able to use my G27 anymore (unless I keep my G27 plugged in and only use the G27 in combination with the DD1. But then I will have to upgrade the weak and stupid G27 brake pedal.

It is possible that once I have high end pedals, I'll change my opinion. But having used Heusinkveld pedals before, I doubt that.

 

[PocketZeven]

The "you" is general, not specific to anyone. Stop trying to twist my words.

I'm the writer, not the reader. Of course I think these high end pedals are overrated. I don't know what others think. I never said that other people think that these are overrated. I already said in previous posts that I have my opinion and you (a certain person I quoted) has his opinion. You are definitely twisting my words.

This is getting way off topic. I don't like it anymore. I'm getting agitated.

Please stop! This conversation is getting nowhere.


As I said before, if I buy a DD1 wheel, I will have to buy one of these overrated high end pedals because I won't be able to use my G27 anymore (unless I keep my G27 plugged in and only use the G27 in combination with the DD1. But then I will have to upgrade the weak and stupid G27 brake pedal.

It is possible that once I have high end pedals, I'll change my opinion. But having used Heusinkveld pedals before, I doubt that.

Chill dude. I was just suggesting that you should rephrase your sentences. I am not criticizing you at all. You can use whatever pedals you want. Just rephrase the sentences so some of us dont misunderstand your posts. I have made the mistake myself before.

 

[kikie]

Chill dude. I was just suggesting that you should rephrase your sentences. I am not criticizing you at all. You can use whatever pedals you want. Just rephrase the sentences so some of us dont misunderstand your posts.

BUT THAT IS JUST IT. I DON'T HAVE TO REPHRASE MY SENTENCES. YOU DON'T READ MY POSTS AS YOU SHOULD. Yes you are criticizing my. Saying that I have to rephrase my sentences is criticizing.
I never said that other people think these pedals are overrated. It is me who thinks that they are overrated.

I'm not going to chill as long as you keep twisting my words and telling me that I have to write differently. Dude.

Spoiler: .

I'm actually smiling right now

I'm not going to respond anymore. I want to go back on topic.

 

[super_gt]

I want to go back on topic.

Exactly,back to the topic guys,please.

 

[PocketZeven]

Exactly,back to the topic guys,please.

At least I am less confused now.

 

[super_gt]

For those of you who speak German:

 

[PaulDiRoosta]

As I said before, if I buy a DD1 wheel, I will have to buy one of these overrated high end pedals because I won't be able to use my G27 anymore (unless I keep my G27 plugged in and only use the G27 in combination with the DD1. But then I will have to upgrade the weak and stupid G27 brake pedal.

I have my G27 pedals hooked up to a teensy 2.0++ loaded with arduino code and they plug into the PC as a standalone pedal set. They work better than plugging them directly into the G27 as you can program the teensy to eliminate dead zones and it is not difficult to do.

 

[Wolfslayer]

I really like the shape and button placement of the steering wheel on the R8 LMS GT3 and the Huracan GT3. Apparently they get their wheels from the same manufacturer, because they look virtually identical.

@Fanatec... & @DomB_Fanatec: How about creating this wheel with replaceable decals / button caps? That would kind of give us two wheels in one.

They are the same due to the fact that Audi own Lamborghini (both under the Volkswagen group of course!).

The Fanatec DD is definitely an upgrade from the Bodnard wheel if it performs just as well without all the extra box and firmware nonsense required. Not to mention the cost.

Also you can use whatever pedals you want with the DDs just like any other setup using a PC. Also Heusinkveld stuff looks like it was engineered by someone with an erector set. I am sure they feel great, but wow they are ugly. Even Fanatec's CSL Elite pedals are single piece arms. All of these boutique sim racing companies are going to have a rude awakening with Fanatec putting out the rest of their high end Podium line. So sick of all this ultra expensive gear that seems to completely ignore all the advancements made in modern industrial design and manufacturing.

Without question, the Fanatec DD1 and DD2 will be viable DD options, but surely if something performs just as well then it's on a par and not an upgrade? If I'm not mistaken the Fanatec DD wheels do have firmware, although their wiring is housed within the servo motor. Again, it can't be disputed that the DD1 and DD2 come in significantly cheaper than the Bondnar, but your reasons provided do not suggest it as an upgrade.

Regarding the Heusinkveld's, one thing I've learnt is that you can't please all sim racers, but it's widely accepted that Heusinkveld do have some of, if not, the best pedals on the market. It will be interesting to see what Fanatec have in mind regarding podium pedals. Remember, design is only one part of the equation.

 

[Dopplegagger]

As I said before, if I buy a DD1 wheel, I will have to buy one of these overrated high end pedals because I won't be able to use my G27 anymore (unless I keep my G27 plugged in and only use the G27 in combination with the DD1. But then I will have to upgrade the weak and stupid G27 brake pedal.

It is possible that once I have high end pedals, I'll change my opinion. But having used Heusinkveld pedals before, I doubt that.

Nevermind…

A quick read and I see something off about the link. (It's a Shifter adapter, and it's no longer in production.)

Sorry. Maybe this will help you out...

https://www.tindie.com/products/Robotsrulz/logitech-g25g27-shifterpedals-usb-adapter/


https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/diy-logitech-g25-g27-shifter-pedals-usb-adapter.349367/

 

[nikki9095]

Did anyone know when the Fanatec DD for PS4 will be release ?

 

[Toto76]

From what I have heard they want to release it at the same time as the others. But they cannot release price and date until it is all signed off by Sony to do so.

 

[user3392345]

Pedals, last week the spring on my clutch pedal(fanatec v2) broke. I was to lazy to demount it from rig to fix it, so i fiddled another fat spring on the pedal connected to the rig. Result is a strong clutch with more pressure then my little honda civic have.
It feels lot better and its more fun!

 

[bokimoto]

I really like the shape and button placement of the steering wheel on the R8 LMS GT3 and the Huracan GT3. Apparently they get their wheels from the same manufacturer, because they look virtually identical. ...

Well, the R8 and the Huracan, themselves, are from the same manufacturer, so ....

 

[user3392345]

Im still confused, what rim i need for use the dd1 on ps4?
All wheels who tagged with ps4 rdy symbole works???