Fanatec Reveals Direct Drive ClubSport DD and DD+ Wheel Bases: Available to Pre-Order Now

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Nightwing24
You say this as if I have not been in the market for over a year now trying to get a PS compatible DD1 or DD2 which have been sold out.

Then bad timing with real life issues in Nov and Dec making me not be able to splurge on it until late January, early February making me miss out on the CSDD+

Again;
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As others above me said, it’s not the same thing at all. The new DD models are not limited-run products, they’re new staples in Fanatec’s lineup. The DD+ you want will be back in stock at some point.
 
rsspyder21
As others above me said, it’s not the same thing at all. The new DD models are not limited-run products, they’re new staples in Fanatec’s lineup. The DD+ you want will be back in stock at some point.
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In true American patriotism I only care about getting mine and wish what you say is true.

I’m too old to base my hope on nothing, so I look at my past 3 years history of doing business exclusively with Fanatec. I will continue to temper my optimism based on that history.
 
Nightwing24
In true American patriotism I only care about getting mine and wish what you say is true.

I’m too old to base my hope on nothing, so I look at my past 3 years history of doing business exclusively with Fanatec. I will continue to temper my optimism based on that history.
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errr..

You’ve missed all of those stories about yemen rebels attacking shipping lanes for the past few weeks?
 
Nightwing24
In true American patriotism I only care about getting mine and wish what you say is true.

I’m too old to base my hope on nothing, so I look at my past 3 years history of doing business exclusively with Fanatec. I will continue to temper my optimism based on that history.
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There isn’t one logical reason to even think these bases won’t be available for years to come. They are Fanatec’s new line of volume bases for serious sim racers. They aren’t limited-run items, period. Now, who knows how long it will take to restock them, but they will absolutely restock at some point. All you can do now is be ready when they do.
I ordered mine two months ago. Looking forward to receiving in the next week or two.
 
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rsspyder21
There isn’t one logical reason to even think these bases won’t be available for years to come. They are Fanatec’s new line of volume bases for serious sim racers. They aren’t limited-run items, period. Now, who knows how long it will take to restock them, but they will absolutely restock at some point. All you can do now is be ready when they do.
I ordered mine two months ago. Looking forward to receiving in the next week or two.
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Im so in once you guys say it doesn’t suck. The 8nm is good with a 265mm rim, but man that 330. Much as i like the wheel its so light, unless im one handing it driving stick. Then its ok.

Dang power of levers..and whatnot
 
Terrified that cancelling my first order from October is going bite me in the ass, and this out of stock nonsense is going to result in my 2nd order not getting fulfilled.
 
i386
I think the message means that they are out of stock and don't know when they will get the next batch.
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Yes, there’s a different message when a product is discontinued.

fanatec.com

CSL Elite Wheel Base + - officially licensed for PlayStation™

This wheel base uses advanced ClubSport technology: the servo motor, electronics, and power supply are the same as the ClubSport Wheel Base V2.5. Realistic force feedback is delivered via a single belt drive mechanism. Compatible with all PS4™ and PS5™ systems.
fanatec.com fanatec.com
 
I don't have a problem with it going out of stock, I'm just bummed that I wasn't ready to pre-order when it was available. The annoying thing for me is the fact that there's no estimate date on when it will be available again considering that it is their new line of product. While I'm also ok to wait but not having a clue about how long I'm going to be waiting for is not ideal.

This is my first go around with Fanatec as I've always had Logitech before and as someone who works in the supply chain industry, I find it surprising that such a well known player in the simracing industry have such a "weak" supply chain and logistics system.
 
I'm really hoping the lack of information on FullForce implementation on GT7 is just them stacking it with the imminent release of the new DD+ GT bundle. Since we know that product exists, it would make sense to reveal both the new GT bundle and a FullForce implementation for GT7 in CES.
 
specops
I'm really hoping the lack of information on FullForce implementation on GT7 is just them stacking it with the imminent release of the new DD+ GT bundle. Since we know that product exists, it would make sense to reveal both the new GT bundle and a FullForce implementation for GT7 in CES.
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Don't be surprised if it takes longer....

What I query is why it has been listed to support upto 16,000Hz
For general tactile/haptics they become rather fine going above 100Hz and more and more audible with less and less felt/bass.

Lots of engine characteristics unique to specific cars, eg like a Porsche GT3 RS can use harmonics well into the 800Hz - 1000Hz for transmission sounds, gear whine etc.

Some Speculation:

So, if indeed FullForce is seeking to deliver upto 16,000Hz its also got the ability to output specific engine audio, not just basic vibrations. The potential is, but still depends if, Polophony Digital enable a way for Fanatec FullForce to re-route engine audio or other effects to the wheel. They possibly also may alter that output audio via some form of control in EQ or DSP or Crossover to modify it more to suit this usage scenario. Yet they will want to keep things simple for users, so if indeed features like this were used it would likely happen in the background.

Other types of effects could also be possible and Id love to try or test it, to determine how it feels, compared to what we can already achieve with advanced effects creation with tactile via Simhub.

I just hope that they do not make the same mistake as Logitech and not give the USER the ability to generate the output levels themselves for different effect sensations. Same principle we do for the games audio effects output settings, but in this case a separate menu for the FullForce supported wheels.

Thoughts / Possibilities?
Some may want idle engine to feel stronger but the engine in general fade out and only with potentially peak torque or with peak rpm have a vibration sensation increase to highlight these specific scenarios for help with gear changes.

Kerbs to take priority over other effects when active, most people have complained how weak or little sensation is felt with in kerbs.
 
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Hello and happy new year to everyone!

I am an owner of a CSL Elite PS4 base and it just struck to upgrade. Since, I am interested in GT7 gaming (obviously) I was looking for a direct drive wheel that supports both PC and PS. So, checking on the website, I ended up to the conclusion I need a DD+ - which is currently out of stock.

I see that DD+ is shipped (ahm, WHEN available and shipped) with the new QR2 system, so I have some questions regarding the wheels, you guys might know to help me out. I am more than happy with the 'stock', simple wheel that came with my CSL elite bundle, and tbh I don't see any reason for anything better, nor am I interested in getting multiple wheels and switch. Unless I am missing out something, what's the reason of having the steering wheel hub?

Also one other thing that concerns me is the stand - I have been using my Wheelstand pro for almost 10 years without problems, however, the CSL elite is 5.5kg while DD+ is 12.5kg and not taking the additional torque under consideration. Does anyone know if this will hold, or anyone with similar configuration that might know if the stand is up to it? Have already contacted wheelstand pro support and 'they don't know'...
 
scooterlord
Hello and happy new year to everyone!

I am an owner of a CSL Elite PS4 base and it just struck to upgrade. Since, I am interested in GT7 gaming (obviously) I was looking for a direct drive wheel that supports both PC and PS. So, checking on the website, I ended up to the conclusion I need a DD+ - which is currently out of stock.

I see that DD+ is shipped (ahm, WHEN available and shipped) with the new QR2 system, so I have some questions regarding the wheels, you guys might know to help me out. I am more than happy with the 'stock', simple wheel that came with my CSL elite bundle, and tbh I don't see any reason for anything better, nor am I interested in getting multiple wheels and switch. Unless I am missing out something, what's the reason of having the steering wheel hub?

Also one other thing that concerns me is the stand - I have been using my Wheelstand pro for almost 10 years without problems, however, the CSL elite is 5.5kg while DD+ is 12.5kg and not taking the additional torque under consideration. Does anyone know if this will hold, or anyone with similar configuration that might know if the stand is up to it? Have already contacted wheelstand pro support and 'they don't know'...
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You don't need a DD+, if all you play is GT7 then the 8Nm DD Pro will be more than enough. Also they're still currently shipping with the QR1 base side so your current wheel will fit.
Can't speak to the suitability of a wheel stand as I use an aluminium profile rig.
 
Abarth_71
You don't need a DD+, if all you play is GT7 then the 8Nm DD Pro will be more than enough. Also they're still currently shipping with the QR1 base side so your current wheel will fit.
Can't speak to the suitability of a wheel stand as I use an aluminium profile rig.
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One doesn't need a DD Pro either. But I would be interested in hearing what exactly you think is the reason why specifically for GT7 one shouldn't get a DD+. Seeing as GT7 is bound to be one of the first titles to get FullForce, which the DD Pro will not support, I would say GT7 would be one of the better reasons to go for DD+ instead of DD Pro.
 
..It's not meant specifically for GT7, I also play ACC, Dirt Rally 2.0, EA WRC.. so from what I've seen the DD+ would be a better choice than getting the DD Pro - I am certain I can make use of the extra muscle.
 
super_gt
High Torque Mode is also not accessible on CS DD+ using this steering wheel.
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Well, I can't really decypher the combinations.. currently in this transition phase, switching to QR2 doesn't make too much sense. So, assuming I get the base that is QR2, from what I realize depending on the wheel adapter type you can either have full torque or not - depending on QR2 Pro or QR2 Lite (although I do get this also depends on the compatibility), but for the steering wheel itself what would be the most 'generic' one to get to enjoy the full power?

Also, most (or all?) wheels now come with QR1. Not really sure if QR2 sits on top of it or replaces it.

In regards to compatibility, I only see a few wheels compatible with the DD+ - I hate that there's no base compatibility filter. I am really confused, I have already contacted Fanatec and didn't get a response back yet.. Any hints or additional info welcome :)

Edit2: from the looks of it, they must have not updated all the individual product pages for compatibility since the DD+ reads compatibility with '* All steering wheels' and the asterisk reads about a QR1 adapter, while the DD+ ships when available with QR2...

Edit3: one more question, what is high torque mode? Is it only applicable to Podium bases? Trying to make out if it is in fact a feature that is applicable to the DD+ base or not... and if I need it or not..?

Edit4: Found this, answered a lot of questions:
 
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scooterlord
Well, I can't really decypher the combinations.. currently in this transition phase, switching to QR2 doesn't make too much sense. So, assuming I get the base that is QR2, from what I realize depending on the wheel adapter type you can either have full torque or not - depending on QR2 Pro or QR2 Lite (although I do get this also depends on the compatibility), but for the steering wheel itself what would be the most 'generic' one to get to enjoy the full power?

Also, most (or all?) wheels now come with QR1. Not really sure if QR2 sits on top of it or replaces it.

In regards to compatibility, I only see a few wheels compatible with the DD+ - I hate that there's no base compatibility filter. I am really confused, I have already contacted Fanatec and didn't get a response back yet.. Any hints or additional info welcome :)

Edit2: from the looks of it, they must have not updated all the individual product pages for compatibility since the DD+ reads compatibility with '* All steering wheels' and the asterisk reads about a QR1 adapter, while the DD+ ships when available with QR2...

Edit3: one more question, what is high torque mode? Is it only applicable to Podium bases? Trying to make out if it is in fact a feature that is applicable to the DD+ base or not... and if I need it or not..?
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Trying to clarify to help:

-no lite QR (either QR1 lite or QR2 lite) is capable for full torque
-Fanatec wheels ARE ALL compatible. The issue isn’t compatibility, the issue is on a very few less sturdy wheel's will not allow full torque same as both QR lite.
- high torque mode applies to the Clubsport and podium wheelbases and simply is a reiteration that with either QR lite you will not get the full torque available in the wheelbase so it doesn’t damage the wheel/QR. yes it supposedly applies to the Clubsport DD’s stating it will lower the torque if a QR light is connected.


My personal opinion:

I planned on also purchasing a DD+, and in preparation ordered a regular QR2 to replace the QR1 on my wheel. It’s already on its way, but now have been waiting for the DD+ to restock or be repackaged into a bundle to unfortunately have to save more to spend more cash on by a historicaly unreliable merchant with outstanding products.

You do not want a QR 1. Fanatec spent a lot of time redesigning and fixing the QR1 because it is inherently a flawed bad designed product and has too high tolerance muting FFB. It will function with the bolt to secure the QR1 to the wheelbase while in use but that then defeats the purpose of it being a Quick Release.
 
Nightwing24
Trying to clarify to help:

-no lite QR (either QR1 lite or QR2 lite) is capable for full torque
-Fanatec wheels ARE ALL compatible. The issue isn’t compatibility, the issue is on a very few less sturdy wheel's will not allow full torque same as both QR lite.
- high torque mode applies to the Clubsport and podium wheelbases and simply is a reiteration that with either QR lite you will not get the full torque available in the wheelbase so it doesn’t damage the wheel/QR. yes it supposedly applies to the Clubsport DD’s stating it will lower the torque if a QR light is connected.


My personal opinion:

I planned on also purchasing a DD+, and in preparation ordered a regular QR2 to replace the QR1 on my wheel. It’s already on its way, but now have been waiting for the DD+ to restock or be repackaged into a bundle to unfortunately have to save more to spend more cash on by a historicaly unreliable merchant with outstanding products.

You do not want a QR 1. Fanatec spent a lot of time redesigning and fixing the QR1 because it is inherently a flawed bad designed product and has too high tolerance muting FFB. It will function with the bolt to secure the QR1 to the wheelbase while in use but that then defeats the purpose of it being a Quick Release.
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Thank you for the wonderful reply. I realized myself that QR1 is not the way to go. I am happy with all else - damn I am happy with me CSL Elite PS4 base as well - just wanted to upgrade, but I think the timing is wrong. I might wait a bit more to see what happens. Repackaging / bundling along with a steering wheel and all compatible and fitting QR2 systems (base and wheel) would be ideal.

I would expect them to allow combinations to buy with a bit extra all wheels with QR2 as opposed to buy with QR1 and upgrade next. Also, can't figure out what would be the 'cheapest' option without a hub (I don't like the hub at all) to take advantage of the full capacity of the DD+ base.
 
scooterlord
but for the steering wheel itself what would be the most 'generic' one to get to enjoy the full power?
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CSL UH V2 or McLaren V2 with metal QR2.
scooterlord
Also, most (or all?) wheels now come with QR1. Not really sure if QR2 sits on top of it or replaces it.
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It completely replaces it.
scooterlord
Edit3: one more question, what is high torque mode? Is it only applicable to Podium bases? Trying to make out if it is in fact a feature that is applicable to the DD+ base or not... and if I need it or not..?
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High torque mode with CS DD+ is 15Nm, low torque mode is 8Nm.
 
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To my understanding the wheels that do not give high torque mode no matter what are the following: CSL Steering Wheel P1 V2, CSL Steering Wheel BMW and CSL Steering Wheel WRC (plus the GT DD Pro wheel which isn't sold separately). The most generic choices for high torque would be the ones based on the CSL Universal Hub V2. The very popular McLaren GT3 V2 also works, and would be the cheapest alternative for non-hub high torque. For round wheel options, the choices would be ClubSport Steering Wheel RS or BMW GT2 V2.

At least the CSL Universal Hub should be shipping with no QR attached, so the QR2 bolts straight into it.
 
Dear customer,

We’d like to provide you with an update on your ClubSport DD+ order.

It was our anticipation that we would have shipped these orders by now - provided your purchase did not include pre-order items that were not yet in stock. To facilitate this, we had the products transported to our global warehouses via air freight. This worked seamlessly and everything has arrived as expected.

However, we encountered a separate challenge – pending product approval by Sony. The ClubSport DD+ is the first product on the market incorporating Sony’s new security electronics. Consequently, the product approval procedures are comprehensive and time-consuming. Initially we expected to receive this approval sooner. To date, we are still waiting for it, which is why we are currently unable to ship your order.

We hope to have an update on the matter by mid-January and are doing whatever we can to expedite the approval process and deliver this exciting new product to you as quickly as possible. Please note, the product availability date in your Fanatec account is relevant to your shipping date - not the current date online in the shop, which only applies to new orders.



Thank you,

Team Fanatec
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DD+ shipments are delayed due to Sony approval process
 
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Another delay for the DD+ orders due to the new security chip by Sony.

Dear customer,

We’d like to provide you with an update on your ClubSport DD+ order.

It was our anticipation that we would have shipped these orders by now - provided your purchase did not include pre-order items that were not yet in stock. To facilitate this, we had the products transported to our global warehouses via air freight. This worked seamlessly and everything has arrived as expected.

However, we encountered a separate challenge – pending product approval by Sony. The ClubSport DD+ is the first product on the market incorporating Sony’s new security electronics. Consequently, the product approval procedures are comprehensive and time-consuming. Initially we expected to receive this approval sooner. To date, we are still waiting for it, which is why we are currently unable to ship your order.

We hope to have an update on the matter by mid-January and are doing whatever we can to expedite the approval process and deliver this exciting new product to you as quickly as possible. Please note, the product availability date in your Fanatec account is relevant to your shipping date - not the current date online in the shop, which only applies to new orders.



Thank you,

Team Fanatec
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Jerome
 
So my questions, coming from someone who's getting into the Fanatec eco system, why don't they have it setup to run with a wheel that is PS compatible instead? I thought they have kits that are PS or Xbox compatible so long as you use the right wheel or something, no?
 
AshenGraey
So my questions, coming from someone who's getting into the Fanatec eco system, why don't they have it setup to run with a wheel that is PS compatible instead? I thought they have kits that are PS or Xbox compatible so long as you use the right wheel or something, no?
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The Sony chip for compatibility is in the base and the Xbox chip is in the wheel.
 
AshenGraey
So my questions, coming from someone who's getting into the Fanatec eco system, why don't they have it setup to run with a wheel that is PS compatible instead? I thought they have kits that are PS or Xbox compatible so long as you use the right wheel or something, no?
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PlayStation compatibility is in the base, Xbox compatibility is in the wheel.

It's also worth noting that Fanatec ordinarily ships its products from China - where they're made - to Europe, and ships going that way go through the very obviously efficient route of the Suez Canal, travelling through the Gulf of Aden, Bab al-Mandab Strait, and the Red Sea...

... and that's kinda problematic at the moment. In fact most large shipping companies have been redirecting around the whole of Africa in recent months, because of the massively increased piracy activity.
 

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