FC "Ladder" Championship Event

[jjaisli]

You know, friggin' Leadboards! Argh!

I was surprised to see that I had never set a time at Mugello in the 430 on Time Trial. My best time in Race was 1:58 something and I knew I could beat it with a clear run. I must have tried ten laps in a row and on every single lap I was making at least one big mistake so I was up in the 1:59s. I was kind of frustrated with myself and was just trying too hard. I calmed down, took it easy, backed off and was able to lower my times to 1:58s and then finally into the 1:57s. I knew I could go faster if I was able to string a good lap together. I finally got down into the high 1:56s and thought I could go faster still.

I must have tried another 20 runs and just couldn't get close. Finally I hit it right and got a 1:56.20. I figured I probably wouldn't be able to do any better but made a few more runs just to see if I could duplicate it. I couldn't. So I figured this was likely the best I'm capable of short of lots more practice or a very lucky lap.

I had something to eat, spent some time with the family and then went back about 2 hours later to make sure the time had posted. Well it had a time listed as 1:59.00! So it had suddenly posted a time but not my quickest. I decided to go for a quick race just to see what I could do and hoped to at least get a decent lap time posted somewhere. With a clear lap I was able to get down into the mid 1:57s. Most were slower when fighting other cars.

Not satisfied that it was going to take my best lap on Time Trial, I went back for a few more runs. I was never able to get into the 1:56s again but I posted a 1:57.10 and figured it was good enough as it's probably more representative of what a 'good' lap time from me would realistically be.

This morning I went to check it and figured it would show either the 1:57.10 or the 1:56.20. Now is shows something like 1:58.49. And my best lap in race is also in the 1:58s!

I'll give it another shot this week before Sunday as I can certainly use the practice no matter what. But otherwise, it is what it is. I just can't believe, after all this time, they STILL can not get the leaderboards working properly. 🤬

Sorry for the long winded rant...

 

[Ardius]

Leave it some time, it doesn't update instantly, it seems to update once per day from what I can tell.
Its finally updated mine to a 1'56.13, but only under the "time trial" leaderboard, not the "best laps" leaderboard, so make sure you're checking the right one

 

[jjaisli]

Leave it some time, it doesn't update instantly, it seems to update once per day from what I can tell.
Its finally updated mine to a 1'56.13, but only under the "time trial" leaderboard, not the "best laps" leaderboard, so make sure you're checking the right one

No I was checking both just to be sure. I just can't figure how it updated my time but not correctly. I did notice yours updated last night while I was looking.

 

[Biggles]

Also, will FC allow me to play against the fellow GTP guys, that I'm unable to race in F1CE? If so, all the better.

Yes: there is no "region coding". 👍

I don't know what the deal is with the leaderboards - there just doesn't seem to be any consistency with the way they update. My time was posted within a couple of hours, I think. Is is possible that some times are NEVER posted? I'm not sure. I also ran a few laps at Mugello in the 250 Testarossa & the 250 LM (fastest time out of 26 posted! ) which were posted pretty quickly.

(I really recommend doing some TTs in the vintage cars - they are great fun to drive & require a lot of patience & a light touch to keep balanced.)

 

[hm66]

hi all
tryed a coupple of lap this morning.
can't come under 1:57:04 and i know it's not on the leaderboard because my
internet is down.
I'm at work right now but when i get home i have a spin and see if i can beat it.

 

[pino-r]

hi ,
you excuse not my translator and' excellent....
are they competitions 1 against 1?(anyway I am too much slow )

 

[Biggles]

If for some reason the times do not register on the leaderboards, you can still use them. The TT times are only there as a basis for starting the ladder, after that, the racing will decide the positions.

are they competitions 1 against 1?(anyway I am too much slow )

Whatever your level of ability there will be other racers you will be able to have close races with. However, we do need a lot more people to sign up in order to make a decent ladder...

 

[jjaisli]

Last night I did a few more laps. No big drama, just enough to get a time down below my current listing to see if it would pick it up. And surprise, no times posted this morning. I also ran a few laps in the GTO just to see if it would list times with a different car. But like a dummy, I forgot to write down my best lap and now I can't remember myself what it was.

At this point, I don't even care about setting a good time. I'm just bloody irked that it's not working.

 

[hm66]

did some more laps this morning because i wanted to see
if there was any differance in my time with controller to the time i sat
with the wheels and pedals.as i posted yesterday i did 1:57:04 with the
wheel but today i did a 1:56:82 with the controller.a little faster but i have to say that it is more fun driving whit the wheel so i think i stick with that.anyway the differance in time isent that big.i drive with all aids off on both.👍

 

[LITTLE-JOBBIE]

count me in if there's room left? my psn id is LITTLE-JOBBIE

Thx

 

[GT-RS]

I'll give it a go.
1:55:47 is my TT lap for Mugello.

 

[J-PaP]

Had a quick 5-10 laps having not played the game for a while. Don't know what is wrong with me I can't even break the 2 minutes.

I remember when I did the time trial to get all the trophies I got a sub 1.58 quite easily.

 

[Biggles]

count me in if there's room left? my psn id is LITTLE-JOBBIE

There's always room left - that's the beauty of the "ladder"!

As far as the leaderboards are concerned:

I spent a couple of hours this evening running time trials in the 250 LM & I noticed it recorded most of them more or less immediately, but one time it did not seem to register - very erratic, very odd, very baffling!

 

[jjaisli]

Yeah, I spent some time doing trail laps as well. In five different circuits with the same car, 3 of my times posted within 20 minutes, one never posted at all and one time posted but not my best time. I've also realized when the time trial ends and the screen comes up with the text, "The Lap Record for (circuit) XXX is (time) XXX", if you've just set the fastest time and it doesn't list the time you just set, it will not be posted to the leaderboards. Case in point, I was running Spa and set a time of 2:27 something. And the text at the end of the time trial said the lap record for Spa was 2:32 when I knew I had just set a 2:27. And my previous TT record wasn't a 2:32 to begin with. So I'm thinking at this point it's a bug in the game and not the leaderboards themselves.

 

[Marchbrown]

Yeah, I spent some time doing trail laps as well. In five different circuits with the same car, 3 of my times posted within 20 minutes, one never posted at all and one time posted but not my best time. I've also realized when the time trial ends and the screen comes up with the text, "The Lap Record for (circuit) XXX is (time) XXX", if you've just set the fastest time and it doesn't list the time you just set, it will not be posted to the leaderboards. Case in point, I was running Spa and set a time of 2:27 something. And the text at the end of the time trial said the lap record for Spa was 2:32 when I knew I had just set a 2:27. And my previous TT record wasn't a 2:32 to begin with. So I'm thinking at this point it's a bug in the game and not the leaderboards themselves.

Ive just done a TT with the 512M at Spa. I dont race to much lately. However I think what you've experienced is this:

Because of throphy issues all tracks and all cars have a starters record time to beat. Remember you get throphys beating the lap record. It seams like the "set" lap record is fearly easy to beat. I think the 2:32 time was the F430 "set" recordtime for Spa.

After doing a new record at Spa with the 512M it took a long time before it got posted in the leaderboard.

 

[jjaisli]

Ive just done a TT with the 512M at Spa. I dont race to much lately. However I think what you've experienced is this:

Because of throphy issues all tracks and all cars have a starters record time to beat. Remember you get throphys beating the lap record. It seams like the "set" lap record is fearly easy to beat. I think the 2:32 time was the F430 "set" recordtime for Spa.

After doing a new record at Spa with the 512M it took a long time before it got posted in the leaderboard.

You may be on to something because I never actually played the game in Trophy mode. I unlocked all the cars and tracks through Challenge mode. So some of those times are probably still sitting in there.

But what I'm saying is, I think there's a clear correlation when you set a 'record' time in Time Trial and the time that's listed as the 'record' time after the TT ends. If it shows the new time that you just set it will be updated to the Leaderboard. If it doesn't show the time you just set, it won't be posted. At least that's what it seems like to me.

Part of me wants to post this on the Eutechnyx site but I'm sure they already think I'm the biggest PITA over there.

 

[Biggles]

You may be onto something there jjaisli. However, it does seem pretty clear that it also takes varying amounts of time for a new lap record time to register... I think!

All in all, it's very confusing!

I might add, that I'm not sure what times are eligible for the "Lap Record". Only online laps, only offline laps, everything other than Time Trial laps, or only laps run on a Tuesday evening between 5.00 & 7.45 when you remember to wave at the third flag marshall on the second-to-last lap.

 

[GTNeidher]

Hey, I hope that when we start up the Ferrari Challenge series. Is that we have some rules that are so close to the series as possible! Blocking, drifting. And that is not allowed! hit the other car, and that those who cheat will lose points.

 

[weed37]

yeah add me to this list psn is waynejones37 add me if u like

 

[Hereward]

Hi Wayne nice to see you on GTp mate.

 

[Ardius]

Met up with DaddyVDUB and mhm66 today for a couple of races around Spa and then Mugello in F430s. Some good racing from both of them 👍 Its a pity I had to go answer the phone part way through one of the races.

 

[DaddyVDUB]

Thanks Ardius,enjoied it. You are waaaaaay too kind,but I'll get there hopefully.

 

[Hereward]

1.56:49 with das wheel, could have squeezed a bit more but I was consistant with that so I'm happy.

 

[Biggles]

Hey, I hope that when we start up the Ferrari Challenge series. Is that we have some rules that are so close to the series as possible! Blocking, drifting. And that is not allowed! hit the other car, and that those who cheat will lose points.

The rules I would propose for the one-on-one Ladder are simple:

Rubbing & bumping on is allowed as long as it doesn't force the other driver off the track.

If you hit your opponents car & force him off the track, you should wait for him to get back on the track & resume positions.

You can protect your line on corners, but you cannot block at all on straights - if the other driver is moving faster than you, you must let him past.

 

[danjama]

Im still confused as to how this ladder works, am i supposed to register a lap time somehow?

Do we arrange challenges here or online? Who records the results?

Where can i view the ladder (positions)?

Sorry im still fairly new to the game, im a christmas entrance.

 

[Biggles]

Im still confused as to how this ladder works, am i supposed to register a lap time somehow?

Do we arrange challenges here or online? Who records the results?

Where can i view the ladder (positions)?

Sorry im still fairly new to the game, im a christma

The ladder in not in place yet, only the current participants (see first page of this thread). I will allow until this Tuesday 12.00 midnight E.S.T. to post qualifying times. Then I will set up the ladder. Racers signing up after this time will join the ladder at the bottom & will have to work their way by challenging.

Racers on the ladder can challenge any other racer (either in this thread or on the PSN), up to 3 places above on the ladder, to a online race series. If the challenger wins, he moves up the ladder to the place formerly occupied by the challenged & the loser moves down to the place formerly occupied by the challenger. Results should be posted in this thread & I will then adjust the ladder.

 

[Hereward]

OK a basic ladder compertition works like this.
Every enterant has to put in a lap time to determine his start position on the ladder (list/leauge) once you have everyone in there start positions you should have a list of members like thus.

Biggles
Ardius
Hereward
GT hun
...
...

right ok so heres how it works, using the list above as an example, if I want to move up the ladder I can challenge Ardius to a race, one on one any track or car, it's upto the participants to decide. Right say I wan, I move up one place and Ardius moves down on e thus the ladder would then look like this

Biggles
Hereward
Ardius
GT hun
...
...

I can now challenge biggles for top place on the ladder!
Right heres the stuff to remember, you can only challenge the guy above you to a race, you cannot refuse a challenge, the individual challenges must be agreed by both parties but allways include the overall rulze! If you haven't posted a TT time before the deadline (today I think) you start at the bottom of the ladder. If theres a conflict between racers over the results the race will be re-run with a 3rd member taking part to assure fair play and confirm the result.

These are standard Ladder match rulze and mechanics of it, in addition things could be changed slightly in the future to include a 1 week dead line for races to be carried out or the ability to challenge upto 2 - 3 places above you? these would depend on how smoothly the basic rulze work and are only suggestions. Because of the nature of ladder compertitions 100s of players could compete easily it's simply a case of keeping events going quickly and smoothly.

Sorry posted at the same time as biggles

 

[danjama]

Excellent thank you both now it's obvious. I'll go and work on my lap at mugello now.

If my thinking is correct this should post to the leaderboard? Or I will post it here as well.

 

[Hereward]

Post it to both, the leaderboard can be a bit slow at times LOL

 

[Biggles]

I'm suggesting everyone post here by Tuesday (the new dead-line). I will accept times NOT recorded by the leaderboards, but ideally they should be on the leaderboards for everyone to see. Also, ideally they should be assist-free (you need to check to make sure all the assists are off before running). I think assist-free is simply more straight-forward for everyone - unless there is a consensus against this.

The beauty of the Ladder is it can accommodate any number of people, including late-comers, & is easy to organise & flexible. There's no reason why races couldn't be run with 3 or 4 people adjoining on the ladder. It perhaps doesn't have the "glamour" of a championship "Season", but from a practical point of view it is much better suited to the issues we have to deal with in online racing, & in fact, IMO would be a much better system for the GT5P racing also, which at the minute, has not been able to proceed at all because of the logistical problems.