[FGTA][ENDURANCE][GT300]LAST ROUND AT LE MANS! *JONA IS THE CHAMPION*Finished 

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What time/day you want to race?

  • Monday 8GMT

    Votes: 5 14.3%

  • Monday 9GMT

    Votes: 6 17.1%

  • Monday 7GMT

    Votes: 14 40.0%

  • Tuesday 7GMT

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • Tuesday 8GMT

    Votes: 4 11.4%

  • Tuesday 9GMT

    Votes: 5 14.3%
  • Total voters
    35
Regarding Restarts, here is what Virtual Motorsports have been doing for a number of years:


A restart can only occur if the following happens:
  1. - The room has been setup incorrectly
  2. - A driver lags out within the opening racing lap.
  3. - Racing collision involving 4 or more cars within the opening racing lap
  4. - Large lag related crash within the opening racing lap
  5. - Damage occured on the pace lap
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Looking at last night's race, #3 and #4 clearly happened.

Also of note, once 1 racing lap has been completed, VM never restart races. (unless in the case of #1)

Here are Really Rubbish Racing's restart guidelines:

Race Restarts
Race restarts are uncommon. A race will only be restarted if:

a) in a lobby of 11 or more drivers, 4 or more of the participants disconnect.
b) in a lobby of 10 or less drivers, 3 or more of the participants disconnect.

The disconnects must be en-masse and be due to lobby/internet/connection error, and this must happen within the early stages of the race (ie, the first 3 laps whilst the field is settling down in an average-length 20-30 minute race). A general lobby glitch which has the possibility of ruining everyone's race are also grounds for a restart. One or two people dropping out of the race due to their connection will not result in a restart, and a restart will not happen after the first few laps.

If you disconnect from the main lobby but still continue to race alone in your own lobby (what we know as a DimensioN Flip), you can still be entered back into the race results if you finish your race and take a photograph of your finishing time for proof. Your time will likely be subject to a time penalty, however, to compensate for the lack of having to battle anyone on-track.

Races will not be restarted due to first-lap crash-fests, including messing up rolling starts.
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Based on last night's race, it would not have been restarted by these rules.

As there were currently no guidelines in the FGTA rulebook about race restarts, I feel that it was right to carry on as planned rather than make rules up on the spot.
I do agree however that this is something that needs to be looked at for your next series.

My recommendation:
  • Take a set of guidelines above and use them.
  • Have a "codeword" for the lobby chat that drivers can use to indicate a racing incident. ("lag crash", only drivers affected would post, if there are enough "lag crash" messages, the host would then say "restart, quit out now")
  • Keep it objective, if there is ambiguity then don't restart the race. Only have a restart if it is clear that 4+ drivers are invovled, all of the involved drivers have posted a "lag crash" message, and the host has acknowledged this by posting "restart, quit now".
 
Hm, on topic of red flagging/mass lag; I was quite badly affected from the domino effect caused by Gueven's lag (I feel bad for him cause he obviously didn't intend to lag the poor bloke would feel crap haha) could've stayed in P6! But as @Stephen Vann has said, who would risk ghosting your car and sending a message while you have position?
I agree there should be a definitive ruling on multiple red flag messages to restart the race in such an epic situation. I myself would've definitely said something of a couple other people had but everyone pressed on, so of course everyone then pressed on lol.
It could be a problem with people abusing it though... You can't have two restarts every round, you'd want to have stewards decide it but in cases where the stewards are all up the front, how would they know? It would probably have to have something a certain amount of cars going off the track, and only being in the first lap maybe being the only time everyone is so tightly bunched together.
Definitely in the last few rounds of the championship accidents towards the back of the pack in lap 1 doesn't go a miss, and up front there's points on the line for the contenders. Tobias, (im just saying dude..) probably could've just shook off the issue and continued on with such a long race ahead and especially with only temporary damage... Instead of leaving in the way he did. At the end of the day we are motor racing, and we all know what goes down sometimes in motorsport come on, (this goes for mid-race contact also) sadly online glitching and lag are just two more factors to cause drama.

I dunno, just my 2 cents :)
 
Stephen Vann
Like the report format PJ, very nice.
Would you have messaged red flag ? if we had a system in place ?
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Here's the order of events as I remember it:
  • Gueven lag spikes and takes out me, TJ and Snake at the same corner (just before the second bridge).
  • TJ posts in chat that his race has been ruined because of the lag crash.
  • I post "Mine too." and then get back to racing.
  • Gueven pits.
  • TJ rages at Karsten for a bit and quits.
  • Gueven apologises for lag and quits.
I was not expecting a race restart but posted my message and then carried on.

azidahaka
On a side note, you could be our series journalist if you made this style race reports
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Everybody at RlyR does these reports after a race night, as you can see here ;)

azidahaka
Again if people said a word during q session...
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Had I seen it I would have raised the issue, but I was too busy looking at Vicars' rear bumper for the entire session :D
 
PJ is on the money I think! I agree, and also would have messaged for a restart if there were a definite ruling. It's a rare occurrence but I'm sure if everybody knew what exactly could have been done for such a thing then it would have been a lot less dramatic.
 
Pubs16
Hm, on topic of red flagging/mass lag; I was quite badly affected from the domino effect caused by Gueven's lag (I feel bad for him cause he obviously didn't intend to lag the poor bloke would feel crap haha) could've stayed in P6! But as @Stephen Vann has said, who would risk ghosting your car and sending a message while you have position?
I agree there should be a definitive ruling on multiple red flag messages to restart the race in such an epic situation. I myself would've definitely said something of a couple other people had but everyone pressed on, so of course everyone then pressed on lol.
It could be a problem with people abusing it though... You can't have two restarts every round, you'd want to have stewards decide it but in cases where the stewards are all up the front, how would they know? It would probably have to have something a certain amount of cars going off the track, and only being in the first lap maybe being the only time everyone is so tightly bunched together.
Definitely in the last few rounds of the championship accidents towards the back of the pack in lap 1 doesn't go a miss, and up front there's points on the line for the contenders. Tobias, (im just saying dude..) probably could've just shook off the issue and continued on with such a long race ahead and especially with only temporary damage... Instead of leaving in the way he did. At the end of the day we are motor racing, and we all know what goes down sometimes in motorsport come on, (this goes for mid-race contact also) sadly online glitching and lag are just two more factors to cause drama.

I dunno, just my 2 cents :)
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Yes totally agree with you in every way.
I do remeber Sken mentioned a bit of lag a he end of qualy, but mos reported smooth running.

But yes i agree on a ruling of 3 drivers report RED FLAG and thats it, race stopped ?

Any advance on 3 ?
 
PJTierney
Here's the order of events as I remember it:
  • Gueven lag spikes and takes out me, TJ and Snake at the same corner (just before the second bridge).
  • TJ posts in chat that his race has been ruined because of the lag crash.
  • I post "Mine too." and then get back to racing.
  • Gueven pits.
  • TJ rages at Karsten for a bit and quits.
  • Gueven apologises for lag and quits.
I was not expecting a race restart but posted my message and then carried on.


Everybody at RlyR does these reports after a race night, as you can see here ;)


Had I seen it I would have raised the issue, but I was too busy looking at Vicars' rear bumper for the entire session :D
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WOW i missed all the other messages - i only saw Tobias message, and i know he can rage on a bit Lol.
 
azidahaka
Gald i wasn't the only one missing them! I was starting to feel guilty to be honest!
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same for me, i saw the ones from tobias....but was trying to concentrate not to go out of track. so possible that i missed them :scared: just i really do not see a reason to be so mad. it still remains a game by all, to have fun. and that after not even 4 minutes of race, 86 to go. everything can happen....:gtpflag:
 
I'm one that needs concentration to race; all the race long i was thinking at the issues we had on preQ with restart, davinci not being able to race due to delay of preq race, tob whining, and how stupid i was to let a great chance for podium or win to get out of my hands.

And when i'm angry i drive slowly :P I was on average over 1sec per lap slower than my 90mins training, and in first stint when i was more angry than ever i spun 2 or 3 times (i spun out twice in whole season before this race) and was about 1.5 seconds slower :banghead:

I'm just like that, lol. I need immersion :D those oculous things might be right for me if the don't make people seasick :D

Well i guess i should try to relax, but having to steward watch the race certainly won't help my mood :indiff:
 
Yes last night sport chip when he was close he hit more than once plus always overtaken we're over driver was forced wide + puds again he's blocking weving then he's gone off the track knowing I was right behind still brings it back on track hitting me off track
 
I think the stewards should watch the start and penalise everyone they see dive bombing and ramming people, i know i was hit hard at one point. Its a 90 minute race, sometimes i don't know what people are thinking.
 
Gavin Vickers
Yes last night sport chip when he was close he hit more than once plus always overtaken we're over driver was forced wide + puds again he's blocking weving then he's gone off the track knowing I was right behind still brings it back on track hitting me off track
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Lap?
 
I ran a season before, took a huge amount of time and effort. Nowadays I just prefer to drive and offer constructive feedback ;)

Running a racing league using only a forum is awkward because you're tired in to the forum's formatting options.
Having a wiki makes things a whole lot easier but for here I would instead recommend maintaining a few spreadsheets, taking screenshots of them and uploading the tables here.

Attached is the file I had for the above season. Feel free to create a fresh one for your next season using that as a template.
 

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Lap 35 sport chip goes inside then hit me as I'm trying to just stay on tarmac. Lap 36 just after start finsh line he goes inside again hits me wide. 4 4 lap puds goes of straight back on track hitting me off track
 
Id have cried restart as well, but it would have cost me more time and in experience the stewards deal with it post race, though given how many people it was an issue for it really should have been done,

@azidahaka I must stress we use the newest le mans layout next week, all the other variations I have run on have had connectivity issues,
 
Gavin Vickers
Lap 35 sport chip goes inside then hit me as I'm trying to just stay on tarmac. Lap 36 just after start finsh line he goes inside again hits me wide. 4 4 lap puds goes of straight back on track hitting me off track
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yay for extra work. i spotted the lap 44 issue missed the other 2.

TDZdave
Id have cried restart as well, but it would have cost me more time and in experience the stewards deal with it post race, though given how many people it was an issue for it really should have been done,

@azidahaka I must stress we use the newest le mans layout next week, all the other variations I have run on have had connectivity issues,
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Me and a friend are building a Race organizer Software. He'll be back from his businness trip to malaysia soon. It'll make all counts for points drop scores, team points, hp or kg penalties etc etc.... An output some printable files/jpgs. I hope we can finish it all by new year :)

TDZdave
Id have cried restart as well, but it would have cost me more time and in experience the stewards deal with it post race, though given how many people it was an issue for it really should have been done,

@azidahaka I must stress we use the newest le mans layout next week, all the other variations I have run on have had connectivity issues,
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We used the 2013 layout various time with no issues. Is it the one you meant?
 
azidahaka
yay for extra work. i spotted the lap 44 issue missed the other 2.



Me and a friend are building a Race organizer Software. He'll be back from his businness trip to malaysia soon. It'll make all counts for points drop scores, team points, hp or kg penalties etc etc.... An output some printable files/jpgs. I hope we can finish it all by new year :)


We used the 2013 layout various time with no issues. Is it the one you meant?
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Yeah, ive used other versions in other series with people ive never had issues with, and the horror! Hahahahaha
 
Which cars are to be used in the next series? When i went into my first pitstop i had to run to the bathroom and wee. When i came back my car went off track at the first corner. Sorry if i corsed anyone any inconviniens. I actually hoped that we could have restarted so i could go to the bathroom.
 
Le Mans will be interesting, such long straights and a lot of drafting with big lap times, could throw a spanner in the works!
filipino1234
Which cars are to be used in the next series? When i went into my first pitstop i had to run to the bathroom and wee. When i came back my car went off track at the first corner. Sorry if i corsed anyone any inconviniens. I actually hoped that we could have restarted so i could go to the bathroom.
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Ahh that's what happened! It did look like you had no control as your car just rolled out onto the racing line from pit exit right in front of me, apologies for the cart off man, good to hear it was just a little mishap :P.
 
filipino1234
Which cars are to be used in the next series? When i went into my first pitstop i had to run to the bathroom and wee. When i came back my car went off track at the first corner. Sorry if i corsed anyone any inconviniens. I actually hoped that we could have restarted so i could go to the bathroom.
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all cars will be is350 lexus gt300 cars
 

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