FIA Events '18 - World Finals Monaco Finished! Congrats to Team Lexus and Igor Fraga for Brazil!

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My two cents, while we're on the topic of the general competitiveness of the events, from the perspective of a pleb who enjoys racing and esports.

As far as racing categories, I think this is something I'm willing to concede. If PD wants to use this as a showcase of the game in addition to a competition I think that's fair, as long as the “showcase” elements don’t usurp the competition, which can be debated but i don’t think it truly has. It certainly WOULD be more competitive if every race were one-make in the x2014 or something similar, but as a viewer it’s nice to see a varied field of cars with various strengths through the various categories race together (the balance within these categories and general competitiveness is something i’ll touch on in a bit.)


I am disappointed there weren’t more and/or longer races, as all the drivers that made it this far worked very hard to get there, and while I think the ticket to Monaco is plenty reward for the effort (I know i would be happy with it at least), PD brought them there to race and it’s a shame to see guys’ competitions over when all 30 of them are good enough to compete for the championship on their own.


That being said I can’t argue too much with the length of the event. I’d definitely like to see 3-4 hour livestreams, but with a couple thousand live viewers (not bad numbers at all, but again not much compared to the CS, League, Rocket League streams with years of growth behind them) I think they are looking to having more on-demand viewers, and something around the 2-3 hour mark is probably where to shoot for considering that. 3-4 races is still a pretty good day’s worth, even if I think some of them could stand to be just a bit longer.


About the fairness and competitiveness, first the qualifying. This I’m fine with given everyone had the same window of opportunity. As a driver I prefer to have a longer qualifying session of course but at least it’s fair nonetheless.


As for the balance within categories this is something that will always be an issue as long as there isn’t free selection or one-makes, just that the degree is up to PD to balance BoP. Even if the field is as balanced as can be the various tracks will still give an edge to certain manufacturers given their disposition towards accelerations, speed, handling, etc. The solution is standardization across the board, but I don’t think balance is that bad to be an insurmountable obstacle (possibly with the exception of N500 but I’ve never raced them online so I couldn’t tell you for sure).


The general point I’d like to make, though, is that i’ve been a sports fan long enough to know that the champions aren’t always the best, and the best aren’t always champions. This is especially true in racing where dozens of people are fighting it out for the same position simultaneously, someone deserving is bound to lose out. This is particularly true since our competitors are coming into the championship where all the points will be earned over one weekend rather than over the course of a whole season. So while whoever becomes champions in both cups will have certainly earned it I’m sure there will still be quite a few who can claim to be the best at the end of the day, and they’ll get the chance to prove it in the coming seasons and events.:)

So don’t let the Worlds being imperfect dampen your enjoyment of the racing we’ve had so far (which has been excellent I think) and will have and just give whatever feedback you can, I’m sure PD is open to tweaking the format to make future events better. And overall just appreciate that we get to see the best GT drivers the world has to offer duke it out for a modern art piece for their apartment.:lol:
 
I said this before and i will say it again,we need longer races to give more chances for the people who start in the back,the way it is right now someone who starts in the back has no chances to move up the field,i know it's also difficult to start last and win the race in real life but longer races in these events could open up more interesting pit strategies and fuel economy could come into the equation.I really prefer 2 or 3 longer races than 5 short races.

I think the Nations Cup races should be all One Make,but there should be more manufacturers cup races to make up for the changes.N-Class races with the drivers racing the brands they choose for the championship.

Manufacturers Cup Events(my idea):

Race 1

N-class race with teams racing with their brand
(Team Nissan GTR races the Skyline R34)

Race 2 & 3

Long races with the Gr.3 Cars.
 
I said this before and i will say it again,we need longer races to give more chances for the people who start in the back,the way it is right now someone who starts in the back has no chances to move up the field,i know it's also difficult to start last and win the race in real life but longer races in these events could open up more interesting pit strategies and fuel economy could come into the equation.I really prefer 2 or 3 longer races than 5 short races.

I think the Nations Cup races should be all One Make,but there should be more manufacturers cup races to make up for the changes.N-Class races with the drivers racing the brands they choose for the championship.

Manufacturers Cup Events(my idea):

Race 1

N-class race with teams racing with their brand
(Team Nissan GTR races the Skyline R34)

Race 2 & 3

Long races with the Gr.3 Cars.


That would be a good idea. I never really liked how the Manufacturer series took a back seat to the Nations. This would be great to see in action, PD would probably have to scale back the nation's cup in the process however.
 
That would be a good idea. I never really liked how the Manufacturer series took a back seat to the Nations. This would be great to see in action, PD would probably have to scale back the nation's cup in the process however.

Yes scaling back could give more time for the drivers to qualify and find their own pace in the race,right now it's like everyone is in a Battle Royale Match divebombing each other and while that makes for good entertainment it's also exhausting,the race doesn't need to be boring but downtime is also part of the sport.
 
I've just realised that all of the Asia/Oceania finalists for NWF Day 3 are all wearing glasses, bar Makozi.
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I’m a little disappointed that the qualifying ended up being way too important. I don’t understand why the same qualifier determined the starting grid for not only the semi final and repechage, but also race 1 of the finals.

Anyways I’m still pretty happy with my performace in the races. Definately feel like have more than enough pace to compete for the championship but I couldn’t move up the field enough both races. Maybe next year I’ll try to not choke qualifying :lol:

Congrats to all of the top 16 guys. Very well deserved and I’m sure the racing on Sunday will be fantastic! :)
 
I've just realised that all of the Asia/Oceania finalists for NWF Day 3 are all wearing glasses, bar Makozi.
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Wow Japanese born drivers are incredible, they got somebody in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th!

My two cents, while we're on the topic of the general competitiveness of the events, from the perspective of a pleb who enjoys racing and esports.

As far as racing categories, I think this is something I'm willing to concede. If PD wants to use this as a showcase of the game in addition to a competition I think that's fair, as long as the “showcase” elements don’t usurp the competition, which can be debated but i don’t think it truly has. It certainly WOULD be more competitive if every race were one-make in the x2014 or something similar, but as a viewer it’s nice to see a varied field of cars with various strengths through the various categories race together (the balance within these categories and general competitiveness is something i’ll touch on in a bit.)


I am disappointed there weren’t more and/or longer races, as all the drivers that made it this far worked very hard to get there, and while I think the ticket to Monaco is plenty reward for the effort (I know i would be happy with it at least), PD brought them there to race and it’s a shame to see guys’ competitions over when all 30 of them are good enough to compete for the championship on their own.


That being said I can’t argue too much with the length of the event. I’d definitely like to see 3-4 hour livestreams, but with a couple thousand live viewers (not bad numbers at all, but again not much compared to the CS, League, Rocket League streams with years of growth behind them) I think they are looking to having more on-demand viewers, and something around the 2-3 hour mark is probably where to shoot for considering that. 3-4 races is still a pretty good day’s worth, even if I think some of them could stand to be just a bit longer.


About the fairness and competitiveness, first the qualifying. This I’m fine with given everyone had the same window of opportunity. As a driver I prefer to have a longer qualifying session of course but at least it’s fair nonetheless.


As for the balance within categories this is something that will always be an issue as long as there isn’t free selection or one-makes, just that the degree is up to PD to balance BoP. Even if the field is as balanced as can be the various tracks will still give an edge to certain manufacturers given their disposition towards accelerations, speed, handling, etc. The solution is standardization across the board, but I don’t think balance is that bad to be an insurmountable obstacle (possibly with the exception of N500 but I’ve never raced them online so I couldn’t tell you for sure).


The general point I’d like to make, though, is that i’ve been a sports fan long enough to know that the champions aren’t always the best, and the best aren’t always champions. This is especially true in racing where dozens of people are fighting it out for the same position simultaneously, someone deserving is bound to lose out. This is particularly true since our competitors are coming into the championship where all the points will be earned over one weekend rather than over the course of a whole season. So while whoever becomes champions in both cups will have certainly earned it I’m sure there will still be quite a few who can claim to be the best at the end of the day, and they’ll get the chance to prove it in the coming seasons and events.:)

So don’t let the Worlds being imperfect dampen your enjoyment of the racing we’ve had so far (which has been excellent I think) and will have and just give whatever feedback you can, I’m sure PD is open to tweaking the format to make future events better. And overall just appreciate that we get to see the best GT drivers the world has to offer duke it out for a modern art piece for their apartment.:lol:
The Overwatch League is very new and they hit nearly 11 million viewers in their final
 
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Semi final B seemed to be a very chaotic race for Nik, especially after being unfairly forced into the barriers by Law.
I don't think Law did anything wrong per se, and was disappointed that Latkovski went in so deep and put himself at risk on lap 2. Worst case scenario if he holds back is losing a place to Law, but being able to stay with him and Hizal rather than dropping into the Hard tyre pack. I'm sure he would've re-passed Law at some point, and seeing where he finished, 4th or even 3rd was doable for Latkovski.

The repecharge shows that when he drives with his brain rather than try to do too much too early, he can make victory look easy.

The general point I’d like to make, though, is that i’ve been a sports fan long enough to know that the champions aren’t always the best, and the best aren’t always champions. This is especially true in racing where dozens of people are fighting it out for the same position simultaneously, someone deserving is bound to lose out. This is particularly true since our competitors are coming into the championship where all the points will be earned over one weekend rather than over the course of a whole season.
This is probably the best point someone has made regarding the format yet. I'm sure we all wish the championship could be longer to better reflect who the best driver truly is, but these live events are expensive to set up, so 4 days is all we've got, and I'm sure PD has tried their best to cram as much as they can into those 4 days considering everything that goes on off camera as well as on.

That's why I still insist that the 16 who made the final in Nations are probably the 16 who deserved it most between their qualifying and race performance this week. And hopefully PD haven't gone too far with the spectacle in the Manufacturers so that the winners of that will be the team that deserve it most too. Of course, that still leaves the problem that is Sunday.

I decided not to make a Nations Cup prediction earlier, because I feared that this N500 and Group 1 situation would happen. The winners of those two races could easily be decided by who draws the best car rather than skill, and I don't know whom such a lottery benefits. The racing is better for both the viewers and the players when there's at least an acceptable level of parity (Group 3 and 4 both appeared to accomplish this last night).
 
Suswilo got jobbed hard. Picked the 2017 Lexus, gets given the ****** 2016 one instead. @schnick that's why I made sure you got the 2017 car back in Tokyo, because the 2016 car was slower than a Mercedes despite the latter running harder tyres.
Thanks again @JayOTT really helped me as I don't study all the cars, I just like to drive.
You have to understand that PD is on a relatively tight schedule here. As someone who went to Tokyo as trash masquerading as a regional finalist, I know where all the extra time goes;

1: Throughout the event, there are photo ops, interviews, and sightseeing filming to do.
2: Driver briefings and debriefings must also be conducted at regular intervals.
3: Official practice sessions in the lead up to the event chew up a lot of time. Specifically;
- The warm-up session for both Nations groups before Thursday qualifying.
- The practice sessions that came after the groups were re-seeded and everyone knew what track and car they would be racing for Friday.
- The Manufacturers practice sessions in the lead up to their race on Saturday.
- The top 16 practice session for the Nations final on Sunday.
4: Also, PD seem to be aiming for shorter streams these days to keep audience retention high.

There is a competition happening this weekend that appeals to what Fitzy wants to see however... the Logitech G APAC final on the 18th. I'll make a separate thread about that live event when we get closer to the time.
Well put, not everyone sees the production and prep that goes on behind the scenes. I agree the formats of the finals were quite short but it's a test of skill in a game. We already had a few months to test our skill with regular races on Wednesday and Saturday nights. PD don't have unlimited money to hold these live events.

Anyway just finished watching the stream here are my comments:

Portugese commentators were a nice surprise, big names in racing IRL.
Lewis OMG, maybe they couldn't have got him a bit more involved but greeting everyone with a handshake is a nice touch. Maybe he will get a bit more involved over the next two days.
No Japanese commentators? I did see the Japanese commentary youtube link so might have been done behind the scenes
Input HUD was nice. Yeah sure some people are complaining it wasn't super high fidelity with every tiny input but it's a nice touch, similar to F1 but better with level or brake used.

Semi A:
Bad directing once again at the end of the race.
Blazsan vs Suswillo was interesting to watch.

Semi B:
Hizal vs Kokubun was even better to watch.
Law didn't get a penalty for a divebomb 3 wide but I think we need a better replay angle to determine how bad it actually was.
Latkovski and Wilk incidents would be interesting to see replays of.
Great performance by Asia/Oceania qualifiers Japan 2nd and 3rd Hong Kong 4th and 5th.

Repechage:
Nice to see all 4 aussies in the mix.
Latkovski was unleashed after Suswillo's mistake followed by Rubilar's mistake making a good cutback on lap 7.
Good showing from De Jesus until the late penalty from the commentators curse, apart from what @GumballCGT alleges.
My guess is Suswillo had a bit of oversteer and coudln't help but make a bit of contact with Salazar, hard to determine from the stream.

Overall good racing so far and looking forward to the next two days of action.
 
No Japanese commentators? I did see the Japanese commentary youtube link so might have been done behind the scenes
YAM said that he has to go back to Tokyo to do the Japanese commentary for the World Finals, probably for whatever reason it might be. It's just like the Americas Final having their German, Italian and French commentators stationed at Salzburg.
 
What a day it has been yesterday. Winning my semi finals race starting from the mid field was really unexpected as i did so many mistakes on my 1st stint and therefor not taking advantage of the guys in front of me battling against each other so much xD As for the car selection i will be struggling at interlagos tho (R8 Gr.3) but as for the other races, let's see what the outcome is going to look like. Unfortunatly my win yesterday didn't really mean anything for my grid position for the 1st race as i will be starting 10th.
But let's enjoy the final two days here in Monaco and have fun :D
 
What a day it has been yesterday. Winning my semi finals race starting from the mid field was really unexpected as i did so many mistakes on my 1st stint and therefor not taking advantage of the guys in front of me battling against each other so much xD As for the car selection i will be struggling at interlagos tho (R8 Gr.3) but as for the other races, let's see what the outcome is going to look like. Unfortunatly my win yesterday didn't really mean anything for my grid position for the 1st race as i will be starting 10th.
But let's enjoy the final two days here in Monaco and have fun :D


You did an amazin race today!! I wish you a good success tomorrow and most importantly, have fun.
 
What a day it has been yesterday. Winning my semi finals race starting from the mid field was really unexpected as i did so many mistakes on my 1st stint and therefor not taking advantage of the guys in front of me battling against each other so much xD As for the car selection i will be struggling at interlagos tho (R8 Gr.3) but as for the other races, let's see what the outcome is going to look like. Unfortunatly my win yesterday didn't really mean anything for my grid position for the 1st race as i will be starting 10th.
But let's enjoy the final two days here in Monaco and have fun :D
Looking forward to seeing you, Kokubun, and Fraga racing together later in the Manufacturer Series.

And you can pretty much make any Gr.3 car look good after what I've witnessed in the EMEA Finals. :)
 
I for one rarely watch the end credits so they might already be doing this but for once I think it might be appropriate for pd/sony to roll them after the event ends.
 
First, you bumped into him at the end of lap 10, probably unsetling his car going into the straight before overtaking him. Yes, he lost grip slighly before T10 but you carried on as if he wasn't there, bumping into him.

Really? He braked on the exit of the second to last corner so as not to get a penalty (same one I got near the start of the race) because he went in too deep. I bumped him because of this. It was unavoidable. He would entered the last corner at roughly the same speed as usual and he lost grip on the exit on the rumble strip. I didn't touch him a second time.

Now to the important moment on T2 lap 11. It looked to me and most people on chat like you shoved him on purpose (he had the steering wheel turned slightly to the right away from you even) because in the previous lap you kept it clean and he overtook you with the exact same move. You got a warning for illegal blocking so the stweards saw it like I did. Both Filipe Albuquerque and Félix da Costa said the same btw (and they call it out right when it happen, before I had even commented on chat).

I think stewarts have been all over the place and I've defended a certain leeway should be given to everyone so certain risks can be taken and certain moves can take place. You certainly had the benefit of the doubt in the EMEA finals and that's OK. This one shouldn't have gone down with a "warning" IMO. It makes it look like the stweards/PD really want some drivers to be in the final or really don't want some other drivers to be in the final, which I hope is not the case, but that's what it looks like to me. Maybe I'm being too harsh, who knows really. I'm not coming to this conclusion out of nowhere.

I know Carlos is a pretty chilled guy and very down to earth so he wouldn't make a mess out of it. He was clearly unhappy with the stewards though (he talked to Feilipe Albuquerque after the race).

At the end of the day, my biggest criticism is on what the stewards decided because they clearly saw the illegal move and left someone driving clean out of the finals. I just hope it doesn't happen in the finals.

Please bare in mind I have a Mustang with rear wheel drive, and a bit of tyre wear at this point and Carlos has the Veyron with 4WD.

Lap 10 I find grip on the green tarmac beyond the red and white rumble strip.

Lap 11 Carlos gives me a bit more room on exit, but still only half a car width of tarmac. At the point we make contact I'm either spinning the rears in second or just hit the torque from 3rd and unlike the previous lap, my left set of tyres are on the red and white rumbles.

Me moving over slightly (it's ridiculous to call it blocking imo) was a combination of lack of rear grip and naturally moving off the kerb for grip to defend my position for the last spot of the top 16 in the World Final.

Carlos did nothing wrong - he is a gentleman - but he could have given me more room on exit both laps and still had the traction to breeze by me.

It's nothing more than a bit of contact in the heat of the moment in a World Final. I was actually surpised when I saw the warning pop up, I couldn't immediately think what it was for, but please trust me when I say it was not intentional and I try to be the cleanest driver I can.

I agree with you with the stewards though, as will a lot of the competitors. It seemed they gave me a warning because it was on screen at the time but compared to moves being made elsewhere and in my first semi final race, it was nothing. Patrick's move on me on the last lap (off camera) imo was questionable, I ended up off track on the dirty tarmac beyond the rumble strip, but there wasn't even an investigation. After the disappointment of not getting through though I understand he had to make the move.

I did have an off day, I made a few mistakes and some things during the races didn't fall into place for me. But I'm a World Finalist and among the top 30 fastest drivers in the world and no one can take that away from me or indeed any of the other 29 guys, even if we do make mistakes.


About the Lexus. I had practiced with it at home. When PD asked me which Lexus I wanted I had forgot there were 2 :lol: and only 1 was listed on the original list they sent us I think. I went for the '16 Prototype. It turns out it was the '17 I had practiced with.
 
I mean the effort is commendable, but the viewership numbers are really low, compared to some other popular E sports that routinely pull in millions of viewers this is some pretty niche stuff. Not sure it's worth the further investment, can't really show much ads or promotions to a few thousand people to make enough money. Compared to something like Fortnite or Rocket League it's just very boring to watch, not much in the way of dynamic conditions or random factors affecting the outcome other than the drivers getting tired or distracted.
 
Maybe next year I’ll try to not choke qualifying :lol:
I wouldn't call it chocking though, rather a hit or miss lap, mostly luck based.

Everything stands what everyone wrote, but in m POV, the first event we had at Salzburg was by far the best in terms of competition and the 20min qualyfying session we had, with no tyre wear and fuel played a big role to that.

Also, as someone already mentioned longer races. For a normal or casual viewer, it's extremely hard to follow a 10lap race with 2 pitstops happening. I was having a hard time following everyone let alone someone new to this sort of racing.

Either way, looking forward to manufacturers today, even more than for the finals tomorrow.
 
I mean the effort is commendable, but the viewership numbers are really low, compared to some other popular E sports that routinely pull in millions of viewers this is some pretty niche stuff. Not sure it's worth the further investment, can't really show much ads or promotions to a few thousand people to make enough money. Compared to something like Fortnite or Rocket League it's just very boring to watch, not much in the way of dynamic conditions or random factors affecting the outcome other than the drivers getting tired or distracted.

100% agree that this is niche. They sell lots of copies of the game though so maybe that helps pay for all of this. And as "glamorous" as Monaco is if it was my money I would've picked somewhere else.

I'm confused why they flew players half way around the world for the main event to them have them all sit inside a blackened auditorium with no public spectators. Loads of tourists go through Monaco so I'm sure they could've filled more than a few seats. I think they could've done this better with more public engagement but I'm sure all the players will have a great time regardless.

Anyway Its a million times easier to criticise than it is to do, so what do I know anyway.
 
I mean the effort is commendable, but the viewership numbers are really low, compared to some other popular E sports that routinely pull in millions of viewers this is some pretty niche stuff. Not sure it's worth the further investment, can't really show much ads or promotions to a few thousand people to make enough money. Compared to something like Fortnite or Rocket League it's just very boring to watch, not much in the way of dynamic conditions or random factors affecting the outcome other than the drivers getting tired or distracted.

Not sure its that bad,

38k and a bit veiws accross all languages,

Its in its infancy and everyone is learning.

Blanpain GT YouTube vids for comparison,

(Whilst not esport vs esport comparison, I feel its a fairer niche market comparison)

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NicoR lost @perrolocomcquee from his team, and now his own brother is leaving him!

Are you trying to cause controversy with this? :lol:
Me and Nico are great friends, but if we split ways is just for a matter of opportunities. I wasn’t welcome at the TM team, and i needed something to finance the basic stuff of playing GT in the most competitive way. For Diego is the same
FT will always be our family, and we’ll support each other no matter what Team are we in.
:cheers:
 
I mean the effort is commendable, but the viewership numbers are really low, compared to some other popular E sports that routinely pull in millions of viewers this is some pretty niche stuff. Not sure it's worth the further investment, can't really show much ads or promotions to a few thousand people to make enough money.

Sadly true. But even though I have no clue about marketing I'm pretty sure there are several ways to reach more viewers in the future.
 
Are you trying to cause controversy with this? :lol:
Me and Nico are great friends, but if we split ways is just for a matter of opportunities. I wasn’t welcome at the TM team, and i needed something to finance the basic stuff of playing GT in the most competitive way. For Diego is the same
FT will always be our family, and we’ll support each other no matter what Team are we in.
:cheers:
Hehehe I was just wondering about all the drivers that EnC recruited from FT and what will happen to NicoR in the future...

On that note, good luck in Day 3 of the World Finals! Make your compatriots proud!
 
Are you trying to cause controversy with this? :lol:
At this point I've just resigned myself to the fact that Razaqa will talk about literally anything, no matter how frivolous, like it's the most important topic in the world. So basically what I do, but greatly exaggerated.
 
Sadly true. But even though I have no clue about marketing I'm pretty sure there are several ways to reach more viewers in the future.
The main problem is that digital racing is of next to no interest to older people (say 40+ years old) and of exactly zero interest to younger people as well, so in the end the potential viewers are guys between 18-30 years old with an interest in cars/playstation/GT nostalgia. It's a very specific small audience compared to more dynamic and fresh games with a stronger hook.
 
Here to show how the one qualifying decided practically everything. The list is the qualifying list. The marked names are the 16 qualificants for Sunday, and this is also the starting order of each one for the first race.

01. Igor Frag / IOF_RACING17
02. Shogo Yoshida / gilles_honda_v12
03. Adriano Carrazza / CRT-Didico15
04. Fabián Portilla / FT_Mcqueen91
05. Jeffrey Gallan / FT_LLOYDZELITE
06. Ryota Kokubun / Akagi_1942mi
07. Nicolás Rubilar / FT_NicoR
08. Adam Suswillo / GTP_Aderrrm
09. Tomoaki Yamanaka / yamado_racing38
10. Mikail Hizal / TRL_LIGHTNING
11. Cody Nikola Latkovski / Nik_Makozi
12. Coque López / Williams_Coque14

13. Jacob Goertz / JGOERTZ5
14. Yat Lam Law / NegiFISH_NaF
15. Kai Hin Jonathan Wong / saika159-

16. Andrew Brooks / Deafsun96
17. Patrik Blazsán / TRL_Fuvaros
18. Giorgio Mangano / Giorgio_57

19. Carlos Salazar / pcm_stj
20. Daniel Holland / TRL_holl01
21. Florent Pagandet / Jomas_74
22. Martin Grady / GTA_Tidgney
23. Nickolas Lee McMillen / GumballCGT
24. Joseph De Jesus / Bass_71CKL
25. Yuki Shirakawa / yukiku
26. Pierre Lenoir / RC_Snake91
27. Anthony Duval / RC_Atho
28. Andrew McCabe / TRL_doodle
29. Jay Szkoruda / Z28
30. Adam Wilk / Adam_2167

It is simply not possible in a superalien grid to walk from back to front in a 6 or 10 lap race. I hope they learn from it for the future.
 
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