FIA Events '18 - World Finals Monaco Finished! Congrats to Team Lexus and Igor Fraga for Brazil!
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That stream was 2hrs and 3 races, I'm suggesting 6.
The qualifying and car selection could still be done the day before.
They've spend shed loads doing what they did, I'm Assuming OT for the comms and tech support won't break their bank roll.
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You have to understand that PD is on a relatively tight schedule here. As someone who went to Tokyo as trash masquerading as a regional finalist, I know where all the extra time goes;
1: Throughout the event, there are photo ops, interviews, and sightseeing filming to do.
2: Driver briefings and debriefings must also be conducted at regular intervals.
3: Official practice sessions in the lead up to the event chew up a lot of time. Specifically;
- The warm-up session for both Nations groups before Thursday qualifying.
- The practice sessions that came after the groups were re-seeded and everyone knew what track and car they would be racing for Friday.
- The Manufacturers practice sessions in the lead up to their race on Saturday.
- The top 16 practice session for the Nations final on Sunday.
4: Also, PD seem to be aiming for shorter streams these days to keep audience retention high.
There is a competition happening this weekend that appeals to what Fitzy wants to see however... the Logitech G APAC final on the 18th. I'll make a separate thread about that live event when we get closer to the time.
1: Throughout the event, there are photo ops, interviews, and sightseeing filming to do.
2: Driver briefings and debriefings must also be conducted at regular intervals.
3: Official practice sessions in the lead up to the event chew up a lot of time. Specifically;
- The warm-up session for both Nations groups before Thursday qualifying.
- The practice sessions that came after the groups were re-seeded and everyone knew what track and car they would be racing for Friday.
- The Manufacturers practice sessions in the lead up to their race on Saturday.
- The top 16 practice session for the Nations final on Sunday.
4: Also, PD seem to be aiming for shorter streams these days to keep audience retention high.
There is a competition happening this weekend that appeals to what Fitzy wants to see however... the Logitech G APAC final on the 18th. I'll make a separate thread about that live event when we get closer to the time.
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They managed to do all that for 3 races of 10, 11 and 12 laps in 2hrs, so not sure your numbers tally.
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They managed to do all that for 3 races of 10, 11 and 12 laps in 2hrs, so not sure your numbers tally.
After every race, you would have to have filler, to change server details, change drivers and such
If you have more races, then you also have more filler, hence the filler time adds to the race time.
So 3 laps per race, + the filler time for each race, would make sense to equal around 5 laps, half of 10 laps for 3 races.
It isn't as simple as '10/2=5'
Also, in no way should these races be shorter.
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They had 3 different driver sets for 3 different races.
You're right its not as simple as 10/2 but its only as difficult as 2 x 2 + 1
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They had 3 different driver sets for 3 different races.
You're right its not as simple as 10/2 but its only as difficult as 2 x 2 + 1
Even if you could fit in 6 races, of around 5 laps (so 8 ish minutes per on-track race), as well as all the filler, I don't think you realise how much 5 lap races would change the event, and not for the good.
Having 8 minute races, with the likely high tyre wear rates, is farcical and not at all racing. Some races were that short back at the old World Tour Event ages ago, and it just seemed odd to have amazing drivers doing races of such insignificant time length.
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Awesome races once again! These events are getting better and better.
Regarding the fight for fourth place in the repechage race... Carlos stayed clean, the other driver did not (on more than one occasion, I might add). Maybe Carlos should have made use of his free warning to make a move...
Also, the Europeans didn't do particularly well against the rest of the world. Was it down to car choice, or is Europe actually not as competitive as everyone thinks?
Regarding the fight for fourth place in the repechage race... Carlos stayed clean, the other driver did not (on more than one occasion, I might add). Maybe Carlos should have made use of his free warning to make a move...
Also, the Europeans didn't do particularly well against the rest of the world. Was it down to car choice, or is Europe actually not as competitive as everyone thinks?
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I thought the europeans would do well because they don't have to deal with the jet lag. I guess I was wrong.
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Actually to realistically give the drivers at the rear of the field a legitimate chance at say a top 5 position then these races need to be at least 25- 30 laps where tire and pit strategy not to mention to actually give a racer time to work setting up passes and to work through traffic is a real possibility.
This would add no time to the down time just the actual race time. This is supposed to be THE EVENT of the entire racing season to declare the grand champion for both the Nations Cup and Manufacturers Cup.
Having a race of a distance of only 10 laps or so that actually equals about 30 miles of racing that also includes making a required 2 pit stops really is not of a sufficient distance to make up for a bad starting position.
Not a fair example really when the real life races the racers have 200-300 miles or 6-12 hours of racing in timed races and although initial starting position has advantages for sure the actual biggest difference is usually in the pit box selection, but even the racers that make a mistake in qualifying if their race pace is as fast as the leaders they have ample time to overcome the bad qualifying.
In these short 10 lap sprint races that is being showcased so far in this final one 2 lap qualifying period should not make a break a drivers fortune or realistic possibilities to win the event or even advance to the actual final round.
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Who said 5 laps?
A direct 2x stream duration would equate to an 80% race duration restriction allowing for 1 additional technical change over beyond a doubling.
We had 2 in a 2hr stream, 4 in 4hr stream is no change, we'd need 1 extra for six races.
Approx 80% assuming you didnt just tag on an extra 5, 10 or 15mins to stream length and retain the used duration. That would be my preference.
I'm arguing for more, better, closer racing.
They have went to the expensive they have for what we got, for a little bit more they could have added so much more.
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You completely underestimate how much behind the scenes work, and presentation work, is required for the live events. Even going through the grid takes 1-2 minutes, even talking about the last race, takes a couple of minutes. Getting the correct grid orders, car selections, the live stream
I would support having more than 1 race to decide who goes through and who goes out, however doing so 100% would either mean a decrease in the race length, just meaning we have sprints, or a much longer broadcast, which would decrease attention.
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Are you serious?
In F1 (or any other series)
1) Everyone drives the same car throughout the season.
2) Everyone has simulators where they can practice any track at any time
3) Everyone has 3 long practice sessions to set up the best Q and race strategy (longer than Q sessions).
4) They have the same car for Q and Race.
In GTS live events (especially Nations Cup):
1) No one drives the same car throughout the season.
2) They either don't know the track or cars they'll gonna drive until very close to the event.
3) They have very limited practice times.
4) Often they don't know what car they will drive unti after Q or some weird lottery.
Yeah, 2 laps is dumb.
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Yeah, that's obvious. But it doesn't make the Q system better. If drivers had to do their Q lap blindfolded it would be " the same for everyone" too. Doesn't mean it makes sense.
No. The competitors were given a preliminary driver briefing document several days in advance of the competition, would've seen that they had to do a 20 minute qualifying session at Le Mans in X2014's, and practiced for it as much as they felt was necessary. The only thing they didn't know for sure was which group race they'd end up in post-qualifying. Even then, they would've done practice for both and been given extra time to prepare on the rigs once the groups were locked in.
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Lightning came through from the mid-field in his semi-final to win his race.
Yet he will start in the mid-field again for the opening Final race...even though he is currently Joint 1st.
That is why the qualifying system makes no sense. The whole 2 laps thing isn't too much a problem really. The problem is that even if you do recover from your qualifying mistake, it doesn't matter because you are put back to square one for the Finals.
Similarly, if a driver had a poor qualifying, and also a bad car choice therefore, but did an amazing race in their Semi-Final to go from 15th to 7th, where would they have started for the Last Chance race? Yeah, that's right...16th, last.
Yet he will start in the mid-field again for the opening Final race...even though he is currently Joint 1st.
That is why the qualifying system makes no sense. The whole 2 laps thing isn't too much a problem really. The problem is that even if you do recover from your qualifying mistake, it doesn't matter because you are put back to square one for the Finals.
Similarly, if a driver had a poor qualifying, and also a bad car choice therefore, but did an amazing race in their Semi-Final to go from 15th to 7th, where would they have started for the Last Chance race? Yeah, that's right...16th, last.
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I wrote they knew about it "very close to the event". Which is true.
But now that you mention it., I should add:
5) Even if they know some days in advance what cars will be used in the live events, the BOP changes and they're not practicing exactly under the same conditions. I'm not sure it happened in the finals with the Q car, but happened before with the X2014 cars, where the live event BOP was not possible to reprocuded exactly before the event, at home.
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Yes.
All 3 races approx 23mins long
2 change overs - 1st 10min then 2nd 18min with an enquiry going on.
Call them 14mins?
6 x 23min races + 5 x 14min change overs
3.75hrs.
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Understood, multiplication can be confusing.
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This Hizal, what a driver he is. This was a great racing event, and I can't wait to for the next one.
In the short interview with him, he talked about Dragon Tail and the "Chicane of death", and this is what I like and we need more of, bends and track sections of GT fictional tracks given its own names.
To be honest I had never heard this chicane be called "chicane of death", although I've seen chaos and crashes there many times, caused by me of course and been involved in them too.
In the short interview with him, he talked about Dragon Tail and the "Chicane of death", and this is what I like and we need more of, bends and track sections of GT fictional tracks given its own names.
To be honest I had never heard this chicane be called "chicane of death", although I've seen chaos and crashes there many times, caused by me of course and been involved in them too.
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