FIA GT1 Season 3 | Sunday Racing | Final Race: 27th May

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What do you want for next season?


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sumo did a very similar move on me earlier, but he isn't under investigation. Again, it seems that you are just aching to get this win.

lol, whether you choose to report someone is up to you, not me. This was a last lap battle for the win as well, so this may just be more warranting of an investigation 💡

And again, if you think I'm in it for the wins.. well you must be delusional, I get hammered in every PURE series but I still love it :lol:
 
lol, whether you choose to report someone is up to you, not me. This was a last lap battle for the win as well, so this may just be more warranting of an investigation 💡

And again, if you think I'm in it for the wins.. well you must be delusional, I get hammered in every PURE series but I still love it :lol:

Well I don't see why you are disputing this as I believe your move on me was much worse, as I went into the wall. You were already going to wheelspin out of the corner anyway and I got a much better drive out of it.

You were sliding out of the rest of the corners on that lap also.
 
Because I forgot they were on there haha.

It's processing now.

Also, note me leaving the door open for biffy into the hairpin after I pushed him wide.
 
Because I forgot they were on there haha.

It's processing now.

Also, note me leaving the door open for biffy into the hairpin after I pushed him wide.

They are really hard to see, I just noticed them and thought......lulwut? :lol:

And good. 👍
 

As an extra thought, I think the 1st contact is also overexaggerated due to Biffy's tyres, but I leave the door open for him to regain the place, but he overshoots and so I go for the lead again.

Also, watch the whole video as I switch to Biffy's view. Note that the corner before the tunnel, Biffy touches the handbrake, so he knows he is going to hit me, yet he doesn't give the place back.
 
The corners seen in the clip:

1. Dax have the line on Biffy- he should give you more room. (EDIT: actually Biffy probably has the line but Dax yields at the hairpin.)
2. Biffy makes a silly dive.
3. Dax could give Biffy more room.
4. Biffy should have braked earlier and taken a tighter line- puts Dax in wall, should give place back).
5. Light contact, gets the back slightly loose but in my eyes not enough to warrant a penalty.
6. Biffy turns in on Dax.

No action. You were both tapping and not giving enough room throughout the whole lap. 👍

That's my opinion, anyway.
 
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The corners seen in the clip:

1. Dax have the line on Biffy- he should give you more room.
2. Biffy makes a silly dive.
3. Dax could give Biffy more room.
4. Biffy should have braked earlier and taken a tighter line- puts Dax in wall should give place back).
5. Light contact, gets the back slightly loose but in my eyes not enough to warrant a penalty.
6. Biffy turns in on Dax.

No action. You were both tapping and not giving enough room throughout the whole lap. 👍

That's my opinion, anyway.

Thank you....
 

As an extra thought, I think the 1st contact is also overexaggerated due to Biffy's tyres, but I leave the door open for him to regain the place, but he overshoots and so I go for the lead again.

Also, watch the whole video as I switch to Biffy's view. Note that the corner before the tunnel, Biffy touches the handbrake, so he knows he is going to hit me, yet he doesn't give the place back.

I sent out the PMs, I think you were to aggressive (I was just like that to Nel and carbon, then I got my head back).
My replay was very laggy and I didn't see how close everything was.
He gave you room, then you clipped him pushing him wide.
then he misses his brake point (not sure how to use this).
Then he clips you wide just like you did to him.
then you get him lose in the chicane...
I will watch it again later.
 
I sent out the PMs, I think you were to aggressive (I was just like that to Nel and carbon, then I got my head back).
My replay was very laggy and I didn't see how close everything was.
He gave you room, then you clipped him pushing him wide.
then he misses his brake point (not sure how to use this).
Then he clips you wide just like you did to him.
then you get him lose in the chicane...
I will watch it again later.

Yes, but after the 1st contact, I give him the place back, leaving the door wide open and taking a wide line allowing him through, but he outbroke himself...

Edit: You say he gives me room, well I was hugging the apex and we still touched...

Also, look at 1:27, I make it clear that I was going for the outside, he pulls over and blocks me. Now I am not saying that is against the rules, but it's not exactly sportman like...
 
The verdict looks like 2/0.5 for the DCLR looks like Dax keeps P1 unless carbon and someone else has a dramatically different different view.
 
Great. Was a stupid incident to keep pressing upon, to be fair I feel more wronged than anything. I lost more time when being hit than Biffy did.
 
Well, if we don't look into things fully then why bother with the DCRL?
It was setup so we could solve this type of problem, I would still like to know what outlaw thinks (If he doesn't want to post he can PM me).
 
I don't know the final order of this race and only watched the video on this page..

I know people have lost respect for me during our past few months due to my extended whining but after watching that I do feel Dax was in the wrong to shunt Biffy out of the way. After that nothing else should be accounted for unless it was "failure to avoid unnecessary contact" on Biffy's part.

If Dax started it, he should be penalized.

It didn't look like the position was forfeited back as Biffy over ran that, BUT he didn't shunt nor hit anyone. I see that as the difference.

These things seem to happen as I can still be bitter about the Monza incident..

Just my two cents though... hopefully I can race with you guys sometime soon. Sucks missing two weeks in a row.
 
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Hi, I was asked to give my opinion on this incident, it's quite simple in my view:

1. Biffy had right to the corner turning into Mirabeau/Turn 5. Dax technically dive bombed, but gave the position back at the next turn, Loews.
2. Coming out of T6 going into Portier/T7 and 8, Biffy has corner rights yet again, as he's on the inside line and has substantial overlap but due to the nature of the turn in, both drivers really had no room to react properly so it's simply a racing incident. Biffy did deserve to come out of that turn ahead, wasn't his duty to give a place back.
3. Seemingly slight bump from behind going into the chicane, but this was the race decider as the contact caused Biffy to lose traction and wasn't able to exit properly setting up the next play going into the following corner where Dax passed.
This is the key point of this last lap.
But I'm not exactly sure how I would've handled this. I'm of two minds; if I was Dax, I would've let Biffy keep his position ahead of me going into the next corner, but at the same time I know how last lap battles go down and this is far from the worst contact possible. It does fall under a "causing avoidable damage resulting in lost time" sort of rule but it's in a grey area since it was so light, so it's hard to distinguish a consequence, if any.
So I'm pinning my decision on one thing: Dax was accelerating when he bumped into Biffy in the chicane. If the contact was due to missing a braking point I would've said no action needs to be taken. But since Dax was accelerating and continued to do so after Biffy's car was unsettled giving Dax a lane to overtake, it was essentially a boxing maneuver and he should be penalized for it.

This is just a case of driving for the win on extremely worn tires. But since this race is for championship points we must scrutinize every angle and not treat it as any other random race.
 
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Hi. Fellow PURE steward here. I did a review of the video and these are my thoughts.

This is quite tricky to make a call either way because of several factors:

1. It's Monaco. Contact is an inevitability, as the track is overly narrow.
2. Based on the replay, Biffy's tires were quite degraded compared to Cobra's.
3. It's the last lap.

Having said that, this is what I feel about each incident:

T1 - Dax's bump with Biffy may have affected Biffy enough that it ruined his exit speed, which could have given Dax an advantage going up the hill. Unfortunately, since I don't have Dax's POV, I cannot verify this.

Approaching T3 - Biffy's maneuver could be constituted as a block. However, like with the first incident, without Dax's POV, I cannot make that determination.

T5 - Biffy would have first rights to the apex as he was sufficiently ahead, but he elected to give Dax room, although it was borderline. Because of how tight that corner is, that's understandable. Same thing with the contact. However, I believe that because of the bump, Dax gained an advantage as his nose was ahead after the exit, and did not concede ground approaching the hairpin. Because he did not back off, that could have caused Biffy to be aggressive entering the hairpin, which made him go wide, although that's speculative.

T8 - Both cars were relatively even exiting T7, but wheelspin from Biffy gave Dax the momentary advantage heading into T8. Dax turned in as though he was aiming for the corner apex, while Biffy probably thought he was still in line with Dax, so thought he had the rights to the apex. In this instance, everything happens so quickly, so this leans toward a racing incident.

T11 - Dax bumps Biffy on exit. After that Biffy wiggles, but the inputs indicate that Dax did not back off the throttle sufficiently to negate whatever advantage, real or perceived, he gained by doing so. Rather, he took this opportunity to make a passing attempt on Biffy. The contact at the next corner is understandable.

Based on what I see, even though Biffy had the older tires and was holding up Dax, it was still up to Dax in making a clean effort to get around him, despite the obvious difficulty of doing so in such a narrow track. Even though I wasn't fond of the constant tapping and lack of conceding ground, since after the fourth incident, Dax was still behind Biffy, then I could have overlooked it all. However, because of his actions in the fifth incident, I cannot, as it resulted in Biffy being in an disadvantage, which resulted in him losing the lead.

Therefore, it is my opinion that Dax should receive an appropriate penalty for his actions at the chicane.
 
Hi. Fellow PURE steward here. I did a review of the video and these are my thoughts.

This is quite tricky to make a call either way because of several factors:

1. It's Monaco. Contact is an inevitability, as the track is overly narrow.
2. Based on the replay, Biffy's tires were quite degraded compared to Cobra's.
3. It's the last lap.

Having said that, this is what I feel about each incident:

T1 - Dax's bump with Biffy may have affected Biffy enough that it ruined his exit speed, which could have given Dax an advantage going up the hill. Unfortunately, since I don't have Dax's POV, I cannot verify this.

Approaching T3 - Biffy's maneuver could be constituted as a block. However, like with the first incident, without Dax's POV, I cannot make that determination.

T5 - Biffy would have first rights to the apex as he was sufficiently ahead, but he elected to give Dax room, although it was borderline. Because of how tight that corner is, that's understandable. Same thing with the contact. However, I believe that because of the bump, Dax gained an advantage as his nose was ahead after the exit, and did not concede ground approaching the hairpin. Because he did not back off, that could have caused Biffy to be aggressive entering the hairpin, which made him go wide, although that's speculative.

T8 - Both cars were relatively even exiting T7, but wheelspin from Biffy gave Dax the momentary advantage heading into T8. Dax turned in as though he was aiming for the corner apex, while Biffy probably thought he was still in line with Dax, so thought he had the rights to the apex. In this instance, everything happens so quickly, so this leans toward a racing incident.

T11 - Dax bumps Biffy on exit. After that Biffy wiggles, but the inputs indicate that Dax did not back off the throttle sufficiently to negate whatever advantage, real or perceived, he gained by doing so. Rather, he took this opportunity to make a passing attempt on Biffy. The contact at the next corner is understandable.

Based on what I see, even though Biffy had the older tires and was holding up Dax, it was still up to Dax in making a clean effort to get around him, despite the obvious difficulty of doing so in such a narrow track. Even though I wasn't fond of the constant tapping and lack of conceding ground, since after the fourth incident, Dax was still behind Biffy, then I could have overlooked it all. However, because of his actions in the fifth incident, I cannot, as it resulted in Biffy being in an disadvantage, which resulted in him losing the lead.

Therefore, it is my opinion that Dax should receive an appropriate penalty for his actions at the chicane.

True, but also - one block per lap.
But awesome, pretty much the same exact way of looking at it as I did 👍
 


Thanks guys,very well thought out 👍.
I was mostly on the fence with a leg hanging off on Biffys side.
Really nice to hear some outsiders opinion.
 
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It's hard to call and I respect both PURE stewards opinions. So thanks. 👍

But for me either no penalty should be given or both should be given a penalty. :lol:

Going into the turn before the tunnel: Dax has around 3/4 of a car length on Biffy, Biffy brakes late to take the place back but in doing so, brakes too late and puts Dax in the wall. Which compromises Dax by around .5 of a second. In my opinion he should have either braked early (yield the place) and used the normal line in order to take the place going into the chicane or (braked earlier and) taken a much tighter line.

The contact at the chicane: I'm a bit unsure of this one as it wouldn't have happened if Biffy was on such worn tyres and it didn't cause him to get out of the throttle. But again Dax probably should not have made the pass and should have tried to get Biffy coming out of the little complex where he was clearly faster.

Therefore, in my eyes at least, both drivers should get a (small) penalty, which would have no effect on the results. Hence, no action required. 👍
 
If I get respected by the GT1 people (as if!!! I just wanted to talk:lol:) I'l give my opinion. Dax had the shove overtake, and tried to give it back at the hairpin, but Biffy overshot, personally I feel Dax should have made sure that Biffy was ahead of him going into Portier, or else gave the position back at the chicane, but since Biffy got back anyway it doesn't matter.

As for the final overtake, Biffy had the line, Dax just went up the inside and stuck to it instead of braking early, bad overtake, positions should be swapped.
 
If I get respected by the GT1 people (as if!!! I just wanted to talk:lol:) I'l give my opinion. Dax had the shove overtake, and tried to give it back at the hairpin, but Biffy overshot, personally I feel Dax should have made sure that Biffy was ahead of him going into Portier, or else gave the position back at the chicane, but since Biffy got back anyway it doesn't matter.

As for the final overtake, Biffy had the line, Dax just went up the inside and stuck to it instead of braking early, bad overtake, positions should be swapped.

The hit wasn't under braking, it was a gentle tap due to Dax's ability to accelerate earlier on fresher tyres. :boggled:
 
Thanks to Eddie and Rich for their views.. couldn't really disagree with any of the stuff you both wrote 👍

Don't want to read any more about it now. Dax and I have made up, on to next week.
 
Moving on!!!

I hope you will all be happy to know I am already working on FIA GT1 Season 4...

I have decided to keep with the GT idea but it will be fresh.

Two races a night, one that is 10 minutes long, one that is 45 minutes long. The main race will be reverse grid, and qualifying will be held throughout the week.

Sound good? :D

Also, how many of you wouldn't be able to race if the time went back to 5PM starts?
 
Moving on!!!

I hope you will all be happy to know I am already working on FIA GT1 Season 4...

I have decided to keep with the GT idea but it will be fresh.

Two races a night, one that is 10 minutes long, one that is 45 minutes long. The main race will be reverse grid, and qualifying will be held throughout the week.

Sound good? :D

Also, how many of you wouldn't be able to race if the time went back to 5PM starts?

So at this rate, at the start of season 4 you will have the season 6 thread up?
 

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