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Qualifying actually went well for once l, thanks to some clean air and my setup I managed a position of 7th on grid dispite having car 13.

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I made a good getaway at the start to be in 4th by T1 but the inevitable T1 happened and managed to get out of it in the lead. A cautious rest of lap 1 later and I was in 2nd. Got the lead back at the hairpin of T3 and managed to pull away in the first half of the lap. A small mistake in the last sector however cost me 2 places and into 3rd. I pitted at the end of lap 3 for medium tyres trying to go for the 3 stop and rejoined in a now 3 way battle for 4th.

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End of lap 4 the other cats pitted for new tyres leaving me in 3rd again. At the start of lap 6 another small error let the car behind to get past me and while I easily could've kept up normally dirty tyres and a lack of ultimate top speed hurt me there. Pitted at thee end of lap 6 for the hard tyres for 1 lap before going back in again for softs and fuel. I rejoined on the hard tyres in 5th but crucially behind a car in the soft tyre and managed to keep them behind in pace until the big straight where they got past into the hairpin at the end. Pitting again I rejoined in 9th but crucially was on the soft tyre with light fuel so should have really good pace to get moves made.

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Managed to gain a couple of seconds on the cars ahead that lap and as a car ahead pitted was now in 8th. Kept catching the car ahead by some speed and was right on there gearbox out of the hairpin at the end of the big straight when with a bit of help from some lag on their end got past. Final lap and now up into 5th managed to have a quiet lap to finish there in 5th.

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Really happy with that result, could have maybe got 4th if I'd had a perfect run in the three stop if I was lucky with traffic. My setup proved to be a really good one and was really stable overall and was surprisingly good on its tyres. I'd have liked to have tweaked the last 2 gears more to give a better top speed as I lost out slightly there. Enjoyed that round immensely and would welcome the return of the F1500T-A with open tuning in the future.
 
Nation's was great to me. I had a setup based on @praiano63 and @Pigems gearbox, but with a longer fifth gear. Rear camber at 4.5 so between @Mistah_MCA and @mohitraina91
Adjusted the camber just before running so only got a few laps in with that setting.
Door #20, qualified as pole, with almost 25 seconds to q2.
TCS 2 gives me the start, ran that all the way with a BB of 2. L1 I build a gap of 10+ seconds, by the time I pit first time on L4 it's 35.
Forgot to take fuel on, was just below the diamond at L8 when I took the mediums so pitted for fuel on L9.
Won the race by 30 seconds

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Manu was a different story. Q15, door #20 again. Mustang is mega thirsty so shifting before the bar for two laps. T1 I got rear ended and got 1 sec for running a car off track.
Then a barrier penalty of 1.5 on first lap.
Pit for hards and fuel at end of L2 comes.out as p6 but gets passed by 2 cars, then slam the barrier coming out on the straight, getting 1.5 barrier penalty, that rounded up to 2 as we pass the finish.
Still, OK run. One and done again.
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I'm sure I've mentioned that I like quiet races before!

Entered the first Manufacturer slot in the Merc alongside @ivann, and in a lobby containing Derek_737... what the bloody hell he's doing down here I have no idea but here he was, along with his pace of being 6th in EMEA rankings. To be honest I looked at some of the names in there and it seemed a very strong line up. I instantly thought a top ten would be a good result.

Into qualifying, I waited a couple of minutes before heading out because a slipstream around a track this long really isn't essential. Took the warm up lap too slowly though and the tyres weren't up to temperature into T1, ran very deep and lost almost a second. The rest of the lap was really strong though and I put in an 8:12.5 which put me 5th... just.

A pre-race message to observe social distancing into T1 paid off, I got around the first two hairpins trouble free and was under some pressure from another Mercedes who had made up a place. Derek and 'wifi password' were dragging along the Subaru ahead of me and I was struggling for some grip, as if I'd cooked the tyres a little but couldn't back off as I had the Merc right behind me. I soon lost the slipstream ahead, but kept it clean and relatively quick, almost breaking the tow by the time we hit the final back straight, which meant the Merc gained half a second before the final turn! Half way around L2 I did finally break the tow behind, held on to the pit stop, slightly over fuelled and came out half a second ahead of a Ford that had jumped some places in the pits (as it turns out - by not changing tyres which cost him a minute at the end), then basically just proceeded to pull away from the Ford and kept pace with the Subaru that was 4s ahead but now in its own air.

A comfortable 5th, for 231 points. And with the last race at RBR a decent finish to a season in which two of my favourite races were basically a disaster!
 
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dylanlindgren
Here's a tune with which I was able to set a 2m38.6s lap. Not as fast as the absolute top drivers, but definitely on a thoroughly respectable pace. It takes a different strategy than most of the top drivers when it comes to gearing, by using a lower 3rd gear which means you can use 3rd out of T1 and don't need to waste time off the throttle shifting from 2nd to 3rd. Also, it gives a great, stable run out of the turn after the bridge, and the turn after the back straight.

Sharing this now as the Oceania Top 16 is finished now so no need to keep it secret anymore :cheers:

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You mean the top drivers were actually using 2nd gear? It looked like all of the top drivers in N. America were using a gearing setup similar to yours and avoiding 2nd entirely.
 
I qualified 7th thanks to Mistah's tune and had an uneventful drive to 5th while keeping an eye on my fuel consumption. The only scrap I had was at T2 of the opening lap as I had bogged down on the grid (thanks TC2) and got myself into a pile-up that resulted in a 2 sec penalty, but luckily the field had spread out enough that it didn't subject me to the midfield melee. My strategy was 4S/1H/1M/4S without any fuel top-ups, and I eventually brought it home with <1% left for 5th place and 149 FIA points.

That's me done for the evening, I don't fancy ruining my mood trying to wrangle the RS01 around the 'Ring.
 
stpatty
Nations on the other hand...

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@Pigems's suspension, @Mistah_MCA's gears and downforce. You could make 5th gear shorter I reckon, although I saved more fuel than the only other car I was fighting I was losing a lot of time on the big straight after the bridge. I also joined the #slammed crew, putting the camber to max on the rear wheels. Very few people in my race did that, and I think it showed.

3S/3M/1H/3S. If you practice for this race you will get a result. I was the only person to go below 2:50 or 2:49 in the race. This is also the highest score I've ever had.
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I was in your race, you were absolutely rapid! We both started near the front of the grid, but I went H/M/S/S and that meant I was in dirty air a lot for the first half of the race.
 
kirethk
I was in your race, you were absolutely rapid! We both started near the front of the grid, but I went H/M/S/S and that meant I was in dirty air a lot for the first half of the race.
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I saw you started around 6th and after the first corner I looked at the relative and you were gone. I usually get the harder tyres out of the way too but here I figured escaping whatever madness happened behind me was the right idea, seems it was. I was pretty surprised by my pace though, honest :D

I was only following the one car but dirty air wasn't that much of a problem for me. Some of the slow corners I felt the car being a bit wobbly but me and the other guy I was fighting with were both pretty cautious through the corners anyway. He did struggle to keep up once I'd passed him, maybe my set-up helped mitigate the worst of it.
 
thiagoturbao
Silly mistakes in manu, started 3rd finished 2nd....was really confident for this one turning 8:10's consistently but the only good lap in the race was the last and using hards...thinking about giving another go but last time I did that in willow I ended the round with 0 points, so...may just leave as it is...sad
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Hang on to 2nd and the points they earn you; they're just as good as a win in my book. Retrying's not worth the risk if your next run is poorer and you end up losing the higher points score.
 
I'd been looking forward to this weekend for a while; I've been out of form for the last few races, and busy with work so had little time to play GT. But the F1500T and Gr.3 at the Nurburgring 24h is right up my alley. Playing in fairly low ranked lobbies, the race at St Croix was a bit of a wreckfest as you'd imagine. I went from 2nd on the grid to last after several deliberate rams from behind, and inexperienced drivers thinking cold tires have no impact on braking or handling. Still, managed to claw my way back up to 3rd, and thanks to the Benetton livery, looked good doing it.

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That race put me back in B/A, and a higher lobby for the Manufacturers Cup. I'd toyed with the idea of not posting a qualifying time, to avoid being rammed out at the first turn. Several of the drivers in my lobby had been in the previous Nations race, but I set out on a practice lap and as the timer ran out, I had more than enough time to finish posting a time. I was hoping for a time not too high up the time sheet, except I qualified on pole - I can only assume other drivers were also employing a similar strategy, and doing a better job of it. But as the lights went out I gave it everything, right up until I ran wide at the first turn. Yet this turned out to be a bit of a genius move - I wasn't at my usual braking or turn in point for T1, which meant everyone behind me had no idea where I was going, and I put myself in the perfect spot for defending the line into the tire wall, instead of being sent into it. And from there on I literally drove away with it, posting a FL of 8:35, and despite spending most of the race on a fuel limiter of at least 3 (up to 6 on the end of Lap 2), I crossed the line 25 seconds ahead of 2nd place, and was back in B/S territory.

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Adam41
With Nations being open tuning, some guys in top split EMEA in Nations bought a setup from a team selling one. It was faster than any setup any other person had the skill or time to create. Discuss.
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What's to discuss? There are people selling tunes to every game with tunes, there are even people selling accounts.
If someone wants to pay someone else to make their homework it will always fall in the long run. So will this.

By the way, if you or anyone else needs a livery for Nation's I am giving them away for free
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Well, I made an absolute idiot out of myself in the first Nations slot. I had car #1, and ruined my qualifying by screwing up the last sector of my out lap. Rather than restart it I tried to back up to get a run at the final corner, but I guess somewhere in that process, it invalidated my outlap, so on what I thought was my first hot lap, I was still doing my outlap according to the game. I didn't notice this until I crossed the line and looked at my time, which wasn't registering and now was reading 7 minutes. In a moment of even greater stupidity, I quit my run and tried to start again on fresh tires, but there wasn't enough time left in qualifying to try to finish my out lap and start a new hot lap, so I ended the session having not set a time. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

My time put me 18th of 19 as someone else didn't set a time. I got shoved into the wall at Turn 1 (the kink on the front straight), but somehow came out of Turn 3 in 8th, then picked off a few more cars on my first stint until I was 6th. After that, dirty air kept me from gaining anything on the cars in front, so I opted to take fuel on my first stop to drop back a bit since I knew I'd catch back up, and hopefully pass them later when they took fuel. All of us in the front pack pitted to change to Mediums at the end of Lap 3. At the end of Lap 6, most of us pitted again, and I swapped back to Softs while they went to Hards for a lap. A couple other cars up front took their Mediums until the end of Lap 9. On my Softs I made swift work of the other cars on Hards, then threw it all way in the final sector because I forgot where I was on the track and missed my braking point. I fell back down to 7th starting Lap 8, but that quickly became 3rd as everyone directly in front of me pitted to get rid of their Hards. At the end of Lap 9, 2nd place also lost it in the final sector on their slightly worn Mediums, giving themselves a 1.5s penalty in the process. We both pitted for Hards for our last lap, and I emerged from the pits in 4th, having somehow built up enough of a gap in just 2 laps to come out ahead of most of the other cars I'd been chasing all race. The car directly in front then served their penalty, promoting me to 3rd, and the car that served their penalty was able to fend off 2 other cars on Softs for most of the final lap, preventing them from catching me and allowing me to finish 3rd, in spite of my best efforts to throw the race away.

In spite of driving like a complete idiot for the entire event, I went from 18th to 3rd, set fastest lap, and (barely) continued my streak of never finishing off the podium in the F1500T. I was initially disappointed that the win was worth less than 200 points, meaning I'd have to go again even if I'd won, but since I screwed up my own race I'm now actually glad more points weren't on the line.
 
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Done for the night. That was quick! Was out and came home just for this! :ouch:

Waited for this race the whole season. Was doing 8:14.7 in FP and was feeling good about it! But apparently the PD servers had other plans for me.

Good luck to all tonight and Happy 4th of July!


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Adam41
With Nations being open tuning, some guys in top split EMEA in Nations bought a setup from a team selling one. It was faster than any setup any other person had the skill or time to create. Discuss.
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Anyone can make a setup, it's not like there are some special tools or knowledge. If they have the "time and skill" to do so, then IMO it's good that they're rewarded for it. What, are you going to try to ban driver coaching too?
 
RacingGrandpa
What's to discuss? There are people selling tunes to every game with tunes, there are even people selling accounts.
If someone wants to pay someone else to make their homework it will always fall in the long run. So will this.
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Well, here's my thoughts:

It has nothing to do with how long they took to create it, or supply and demand. This isn't Assetto Corsa or iRacing. This is the PS4 accessible, plug in and play FIA GT competition and the ethos is to get racers without the money to go racing irl together at a real world location, proving esports is real racing at a fraction of the cost.

Say more rounds became open setup and teams starting creating setups, charging even more potentially for the best one, that's a slippery slope and a cost to competitor this competition doesn't need...

Suddenly you price real talent out of competing for wins and world tour spots, and you might not find the likes of Igor. That's sad, isn't it?

RL motorsport is trying to get rid of more money = more pace, from grass roots karting (new tyres every session etc) to F1 with cost caps. Money should not come into the equation here on GT. You stick with the stock setup and lose 6 seconds a lap, see how far that gets you 👍

This team spent weeks developing it. How is that fair on someone who only had since the last round to try to create a setup? We are suddenly asking people to commit even more time to this competition, just to be *competitive*!

stpatty
What was the setup?
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No idea. I had access to it, but chose not to use it on principle. You can go buy it for €50, if you want. 👍

ivann
you drive for freaking williams team, if someone can make faster setup than your team then ofcourse they should sell it
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Although I appreciate your concern, me being in a F1 teams esports team has no correlation to how well we can develop a setup in GT, when changing the tuning parameters, especially on this car, bares little resemblance to a real life setup.
 
Adam41
Well, here's my thoughts:

It has nothing to do with how long they took to create it, or supply and demand. This isn't Assetto Corsa or iRacing. This is the PS4 accessible, plug in and play FIA GT competition and the ethos is to get racers without the money to go racing irl together at a real world location, proving esports is real racing at a fraction of the cost.

Say more rounds became open setup and teams starting creating setups, charging even more potentially for the best one, that's a slippery slope and a cost to competitor this competition doesn't need...

Suddenly you price real talent out of competing for wins and world tour spots, and you might not find the likes of Igor. That's sad, isn't it?

RL motorsport is trying to get rid of more money = more pace, from grass roots karting (new tyres every session etc) to F1 with cost caps. Money should not come into the equation here on GT. You stick with the stock setup and lose 6 seconds a lap, see how far that gets you 👍

This team spent weeks developing it. How is that fair on someone who only had since the last round to try to create a setup? We are suddenly asking people to commit even more time to this competition, just to be *competitive*!



No idea. I had access to it, but chose not to use it on principle. You can go buy it for €50, if you want. 👍



Although I appreciate your concern, me being in a F1 teams esports team has no correlation to how well we can develop a setup in GT, when changing the tuning parameters, especially on this car, bares little resemblance to a real life setup.
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The easy solution is to partition PD to stop letting people tune.
 
For Nations, despite getting rammed TWICE within the first 40 seconds of the race, (which resulted in me getting front left tire damage from being forced into the wall) I managed to bag a win!

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I used the tune that @dylanlindgren posted as well as the pit strategy suggested by @stpatty of 3S/3M/1H/3S. I also decided to go flat out and not worry about saving fuel.

Things went very well after the aforementioned incidents. I was in 4th coming out of my last pit stop on lap 7. At the end of lap 9, all three drivers ahead of me pitted and 1st place emerged on Hards. Since I was on the Soft tires, I knew I had the advantage of better grip and I gradually began to close the gap. Using the power of drafting, I took 1st at the end of the very long straight on the bottom of the course. It was one of the most intense final laps of a race I had in a while, but thankfully, I kept my composure and crossed the line first. St. Croix-C is also one of my favorite tracks in the game, so getting a win here made the victory feel even better.

Huge thanks to the guys above. I doubt I would have won without the information you shared, especially when my race had a sour start. :cheers:

Next weekend, I'm thinking about doing both Nations and Manufactures, but I'm not 100% sure yet. I definitely want to participate in the BMW M3 one-make no matter what though.
 
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Adam41
No idea. I had access to it, but chose not to use it on principle. You can go buy it for €50, if you want. 👍
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I already won my Nations race earlier, bit late for me to drop fifty notes on a set-up at this point

I was curious to see if it was any better or worse than the tunes available here, or that people in other teams were using. Hopefully PD realise if this is what happens with an open tune race in their actual championship they don't do it in the future.
 
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Adam41
Suddenly you price real talent out of competing for wins and world tour spots, and you might not find the likes of Igor. That's sad, isn't it?

RL motorsport is trying to get rid of more money = more pace, from grass roots karting (new tyres every session etc) to F1 with cost caps. Money should not come into the equation here on GT. You stick with the stock setup and lose 6 seconds a lap, see how far that gets you 👍

This team spent weeks developing it. How is that fair on someone who only had since the last round to try to create a setup? We are suddenly asking people to commit even more time to this competition, just to be *competitive*!



No idea. I had access to it, but chose not to use it on principle. You can go buy it for €50, if you want. 👍
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I agree with everything you say but people will always be happy to pay to get ahead if they can. You get amateur cyclists taking performance enhancing drugs or blood doping for God's sake! But GT Sport, despite being the "real driving simulator", has mainly been an arcade style game over the years and shouldn't require detailed set ups. Its strength is you pick it up and play it, without needing to spend hours doing technical things.

Simplest thing is to ban tuning in GT Sport races. Or have a specific championship that allows tuning
 
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