FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Granadier]

Stay away from the Nurb Curbs™

 

[deviln3]

Livery decided upon and setup sorted for today's nations race. Going to try and go for a 3 stop to avoid the harder tyre as much as possible with the pit lane being a short one at st croix.
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My setup for anyone interested, based on the one shared by @Pigems. Found this to be more stable out of corners and in the last 2 sectors.

Adam, thanks for the Tune, it worked pretty well!

Qualified 13th because I only had 1 lap to set a time, and don't know the track really well.
Started the race on Medium tires for 4laps, then 4S, and then 2H following what others did here. This was a great strategy. I was able to learn the track on the Medium tires and could keep up with most guys in the middle pack. Then switched to Soft tires to build a gap, and finished on the hards.

13th to 3rd place. Fun race.

 

[GTWolverine]

Just did the 2nd Nations race, and got put into the "top" split (what was left of it after the Top 16 Race). Win was worth 259 points, and roadbeef, who had the 5th fastest time in North America, was in this one, as were several other drivers who were faster than me. It looked like my 100% podium streak in this car was set to end...

In qualifying, I AGAIN screwed up the final sector (specifically the final corner, and again rather than reset I went back 2 corners (this time just driving forwards the wrong way instead of reversing). I almost got disqualified trying to get far back enough before the DQ timer ran out . I was the last car that hadn't started a flying lap, so there was no one behind me when I did this. Ultimately I set a time good enough for 6th, but still 3s off pole.

At the start, I got away better than pretty much everyone else around me by starting in 2nd gear. Mayhem ensued going into Turn 2, as expected, and I emerged from the chaos in 5th. Ultimately I ended up racing DNA _Judoka, who I would normally never be matched with, for 4th. We both pitted at the end of Lap 3 to get off of our used Softs. They went to another set of Softs, and I went to Mediums. I successfully held them back on my slower tires for 1.5 laps before they got by, but they didn't pull away that much, and we pitted right behind each other on Lap 6. When I saw they were on Softs again, that gave me hope that I'd be able to finish ahead of them, as they still had to use the Mediums, whereas I could switch back to softs and hopefully make quick work of them. I did just that and wound up in 4th, but unfortunately my fuel calculator WAY underestimated how many laps I could run, by at least half a lap, so I ended up having to cut my Soft stint short by 1 lap, and had to run the Hards for 2 laps.... Still, I finished 5th and bagged 216 points, which is my best score so far in Nations, and unbelievably my 1st 200+ points score this season.

Also, due in large part to me having to cut my 2nd Softs stint short by a lap, and having to then run 2 laps on Hards, the winner (roadbeef) finished so far ahead that I technically didn't even get a chance to finish the race, in spite of being 5th, which also means my replay save got corrupted due to not actually finishing the race . My fastest lap was also 10s slower than theirs, due to not being able to actually set a true flying lap on my 2nd Soft stint (just an out lap, followed by a premature in lap before I ran out of fuel). Also, I unfortunately can no longer say I've never finished off the podium in the F1500T-A . But I still have a 100% Top 5 streak...

 

[Rangeraus]

With Nations being open tuning, some guys in top split EMEA in Nations bought a setup from a team selling one. It was faster than any setup any other person had the skill or time to create. Discuss.

I was told that PD sent stage 1 winners (presumably people who got top 3 in a Superstars race) a Sony 55" 4K TV. One of the recipients wouldn't have otherwise qualified for a World Tour, so it must have been from the Superstars race result.

So, it entirely makes sense to spend 50 Euros on a setup if you can gain 6 seconds per lap, and win a TV worth over $1200 AUD. That's a pretty good return on investment.

I would probably have done it for the points on offer alone, and to save myself the many hours I spent tooling around with an ordinary setup while trying to find reasonable pace.

The solution is simple... to not allow tuning in these championship races.

 

[vvise]

NA Top 16 Manu

Spoiler: Language warning

 

[deviln3]

Came across a cheater in Nations Cup, new flaw in the penalty system maybe:
- I got along side him to pass
- He rammed me sideways, my car got squirmy, and I got a 1.5 second penalty notification
- Watched him ram the 2 cars ahead the same way, and each of them got a penalty as well.

His SR dropped from S to B after the race, so I guess he was dirty all around the track.
I haven't seen the replay yet, but reported him after the race.

 

[mohitraina91]

So disappointed in myself. Made Top 16 Nations for the very first time. Door no. 16 and 16th in room on points. Started 9th, did well, and was running 6th.

Then on the final lap I overshot a corner and took a trip on the grass. 2 guys right behind overtook me and I finished 8th for 315 points.

I suppose in perspective it was a decent result since I never qualify for these things, but feel very gutted as I had 6th in the bag.

 

[GTWolverine]

Ran the first 2 Nations slots.
Slot 1: Qualified 10th after being way too conservative on my lap, as well as getting tangled with other people despite us all trying to leave gaps before we started our laps. Finished 9th after doing a 1H/2M strategy, nearly spinning twice, and doing a complete 360 out of the turn before the Karoussel

Slot 2: Missed qualifying because I had some real-life stuff to take care of, and was hoping I could take care of it quickly enough to still be able to catch what was left of qualifying. Turns out, I was a few seconds short of being able to start a flying lap, so I started P20. Finished P12 after engaging in a nearly race-long battle with a 911 that I couldn't get past. Oh, and @Granadier was also in this one, but he was so far ahead I never saw him.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Just did the 2nd Nations race, and got put into the "top" split (what was left of it after the Top 16 Race). Win was worth 259 points

I was debating on doing slot 2. I am happy I skipped out on it. I got 241 on slot 1, so I would have likely came out of that race with the same or even less points.

NA Top 16 Manu

Spoiler: Language warning

I hope this part is broadcasted.

 

[wedjim]

Man, this is a tuff set of races this week. Logged on thinking i’d get some Supra practice and realized there were races today, oops. No biggie, who needs practice for These races, easy peasy. So with 1.5 laps of practice for Nurb And sloppy qualifying I was door 3 and Q18. Luckily so many had problems even my forgetting to add fuel and forcing a second pit stop, 1 per lap, I still worked my way up to 12th. Whatevz.
In the 1500 race I got 5 laps of practice and worked on the tune only slightly, it showed. Never got a clean lap and my best lap was a 2.58...I had a 2.53 going and 18th spot decided if he held me up he’d go faster. Didn’t work For either of us. I ran Soft 4, Medium 5, then Hard 1 lap. Finished 12th, ran out of fuel 100 yards from the finish, even though I took 1.2 laps of fuel on lap 9. Hmmmm 13th place was .2 behind as I coasted over the line in the end.

I’m assuming i’ll end up 12th tomorrow at Interlagos in the Supra?

 

[Trone_Colby]

Saw the latest tune from @dylanlindgren.

I was previously using another tune but this one shaved 4 seconds off my PB (2:46.097).

My plan was to start from the back and watch chaos since it was DR.B. A teammate talked me into qualifying since my time is so high. I was skeptical because it was grid start and I know T1 would be a nightmare most of the time.

Slot 1 of the American region Qualifying, I waited for everyone to leave the pit. I went with under 6 minutes left. As I finished my outlap, someone resets and comes out of the pit. He threw my line off and also bumped me at T3, messed my lap up a bit. He did get a penalty and I nudged him out the way. Luckily there was enough time to do another lap and I put in 2:49.3 to start pole.

Race started as I managed to pull away. At T2, I saw someone move to the inside and I was thinking oh crap. I took it easy and went wide on purpose. I lost two positions but still close to them. T3 came and both P1 and P2 overshot the corner and into the grass. I ease pass them although one bumped me. After that....

I was GONE!

Good racing today from Team TPC. I did make a few errors but kept it cool. I finished 24 seconds ahead of P2. Only 7 people finished the race.

 

[GTWolverine]

In contrast to my Nations performances, Manufacturer's was a disaster. All 3 slots resulted in worthless points. In the final slot, while fighting for a potential Top 10 in 13th place, I spun myself out of Turn 2 on the last lap and fell to 15th. Ultimately finished 16th after picking up 3s of track and wall penalties afterwards because I just didn't care enough to bother concentrating.

 

[Granadier]

Seriously. This round of manu races had some really great battles with some fantastic drivers. For 2 laps. Then it was 1 lap of babying the car around and hoping the tires don’t find a single pixel of grass. The gap between worn mediums and hards could fit the Grand Canyon in it.

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[Winnie847]

Not sure why this guy wanted to race with me on our outlap in qualifying, but I passed him twice trying to get in front because I knew I was much faster, but I was also trying to save my tires so he got past me twice and pushed me out of the way, I backed off and gave him plenty of space but still caught up within the first few corners. Then when I tried to pass him he puts me in the wall. Got past him a couple corners later even though he tried it again. He later accused me of cheating in the pre and post race chat. What a great sport. I clipped the whole qualy session because I eventually got a decent lap but also wanted to capture the drama.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Yet another frustrating round. First, this. A whole qualifying lap and it gets invalidated for something so silly.

NA Top 16 Manu

Spoiler: Language warning

Then this for the T16. I was the last one to get sorta lined up for the start but everyone behind had their races completely ruined. I needed one more position to gain critical Manu points and of course, didn't get it.

I cannot catch a break right now.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Nations round 27 looks like we have to use the cars that they select for us.

From the website:

Please note that in Round 27, to match the unique characteristics of the circuit players must select from the preset N800 class cars in order to participate. Players will be unable to adjust the settings for these vehicles or participate using Garage cars. Thank you for your understanding.


This should be interesting.....

In the race details page itself it says tuning is adjustable so I don't know why they contradict this themselves Probably one of the weirdest FIA race ever and literally the only one where a DR E driver has as much chance winning as DR A+

With Nations being open tuning, some guys in top split EMEA in Nations bought a setup from a team selling one. It was faster than any setup any other person had the skill or time to create. Discuss.

Honestly it's inevitable that this happens. People monetize everything these days. As long as it's only 1 race per season it shouldn't affect the points table too much. I agree I don't like the extra complications that tuning brings. Some people already spend a huge amount of time practicing/finding strategy/doing every slot. If more races are allowed tuning it will pretty much put anyone who doesn't have unlimited free time out of the running (unless they can pay a crew chief to do the testing for them).

Stock setups aren't perfect either because they will naturally suit some driver's driving style more, but at least everyone is on level playing ground whether you like it or not.

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On another note, I'm surprised at how fuel hungry the F1500 is. At 1x fuel I didn't expect to need refuelling, but a full tank (100 litres) is only enough for 8 laps (around 80 km). I did a bit of research to find out how big the fuel tanks for F1 cars in this era were, and whether refuelling was permitted in that era. Since the F1500 was based on the Lotus 97T, and that raced in 1985 season, apparently cars have around 200 liters and that should be enough to last a whole race distance (~300km). So even accounting the fact that the tank in GTS is half the size of the real car, the fuel consumption is 2x as much as reality

The FIA (then known as FISA) soon banned refuelling from 1984. Fuel volume permitted for racing was reduced from 250 litres to 220 litres, intending that there should be a further reduction to 195 litres in 1985. In-race refuelling was also banned therefore widespread use of fuel cooling towers was adopted to freeze the fuel to approx. -30 degC prior to filling the car thus reducing the volume and being able to squeeze more fuel into the limited volume. In this period fuel and engine development resulted in massive power increases, especially for qualifying.

http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/refueling.html

Makes you wonder how accurate the fuel consumption for all the other cars are...

 

[Adam41]

I was told that PD sent stage 1 winners (presumably people who got top 3 in a Superstars race) a Sony 55" 4K TV. One of the recipients wouldn't have otherwise qualified for a World Tour, so it must have been from the Superstars race result.

So, it entirely makes sense to spend 50 Euros on a setup if you can gain 6 seconds per lap, and win a TV worth over $1200 AUD. That's a pretty good return on investment.

I would probably have done it for the points on offer alone, and to save myself the many hours I spent tooling around with an ordinary setup while trying to find reasonable pace.

The solution is simple... to not allow tuning in these championship races.

I agree with you. I don't blame people for buying it. I just don't think this whole scenario should exist in the first place.

Anyway, who is the person you are referring to? It is my understanding that the TVs were sent to people in world tour qualifying positions, but they may have used reserves if someone was under the age of 18. It's the first I've heard about SS races being involved.

I'm totally guessing at that list bit, but I too know someone who is receiving a TV who finished outside the qualifying spots, but didn't finish well in a superstars race.

 

[Rangeraus]

I agree with you. I don't blame people for buying it. I just don't think this whole scenario should exist in the first place.

Anyway, who is the person you are referring to? It is my understanding that the TVs were sent to people in world tour qualifying positions, but they may have used reserves if someone was under the age of 18. It's the first I've heard about SS races being involved.

I'm totally guessing at that list bit, but I too know someone who is receiving a TV who finished outside the qualifying spots, but didn't finish well in a superstars race.

They were the points leader for a Top 12 manufacturer, but not for a top 3 region. But they'd got a podium in a superstars race, hence my guess.

I just had a look at K' and it looks like one of the 'qualifying' region's drivers is no longer a Star Driver, so is/was probably under 18 (though had won a superstars race in Stage 1). So you're probably right about the TV just going to people in World Tour slots.

In any case, there are still prizes on offer, so probably worth the 50 Euro gamble if you are in that position.

 

[DaGiBUS]

Another reverse layout which doesn't hold a candle to the forwards version, at least this one is better than the abomination that is Gardens reverse. Almost every corner is either commitment or over a crest and it's just not fun.

Time for another fuel race with 1 lap on hard tyres

 

[watto79]

I'd been looking forward to the F1500 race since the stage 2 schedule was announced. Mid 1980's F1 cars? Yes please

Did 3 races in total. First race was a lap 1 disaster that resulted in engine damage, but still managed to finish 5th for mediocre points.

Race 2 was where things got "interesting". It seems that this combo meant a lot of people didn't race and I ended up in a "top split" race. I put that in quotation marks as it must have been the weakest top split the FIA races has seen, but the winner of the Top 16 race was in this lobby. So it counts

Managed a respectable 9th that gave me more points than my previous 5th. Felt good about the combo though so went into what must have been the "Top 16 rejects race".

After the 1st lap of relative chaos the race calmed down and was ultimately pretty straight forward, but managed another P5 for my highest points score of the season. Really enjoyed the combo, but it's a shame that the relative strength of available tunes created a large miss-match in pace. I don't think any of my races saw any more than the top 10 finishing before the race timed out, which is pretty much unheard of in A+ lobbies. Hopefully this was just an experiment by PD and we can stick with fixed settings races from here on.

Anyway, had some fun with photomode after the races 👍

 

[stpatty]

I'm just watching my replay back now. I was surprised by the liveries. 4 Mansell to 2 Sennas and a Rene Arnoux, with no Ferraris at all.

 

[GTWolverine]

I
On another note, I'm surprised at how fuel hungry the F1500 is. At 1x fuel I didn't expect to need refuelling, but a full tank (100 litres) is only enough for 8 laps (around 80 km). I did a bit of research to find out how big the fuel tanks for F1 cars in this era were, and whether refuelling was permitted in that era. Since the F1500 was based on the Lotus 97T, and that raced in 1985 season, apparently cars have around 200 liters and that should be enough to last a whole race distance (~300km). So even accounting the fact that the tank in GTS is half the size of the real car, the fuel consumption is 2x as much as reality



http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/refueling.html

Makes you wonder how accurate the fuel consumption for all the other cars are...

To be fair, these cars wouldn't have made this much power in real life unless they were qualifying. To make the engines survive the entire race, they turned the boost down, which would obviously also reduce fuel consumption. I have no idea how much power they'd make in race trim, but there was probably a sizable difference.

 

[x5abotagex86]

I'd been looking forward to the F1500 race since the stage 2 schedule was announced. Mid 1980's F1 cars? Yes please

Did 3 races in total. First race was a lap 1 disaster that resulted in engine damage, but still managed to finish 5th for mediocre points.

Race 2 was where things got "interesting". It seems that this combo meant a lot of people didn't race and I ended up in a "top split" race. I put that in quotation marks as it must have been the weakest top split the FIA races has seen, but the winner of the Top 16 race was in this lobby. So it counts

Managed a respectable 9th that gave me more points than my previous 5th. Felt good about the combo though so went into what must have been the "Top 16 rejects race".

After the 1st lap of relative chaos the race calmed down and was ultimately pretty straight forward, but managed another P5 for my highest points score of the season. Really enjoyed the combo, but it's a shame that the relative strength of available tunes created a large miss-match in pace. I don't think any of my races saw any more than the top 10 finishing before the race timed out, which is pretty much unheard of in A+ lobbies. Hopefully this was just an experiment by PD and we can stick with fixed settings races from here on.

Anyway, had some fun with photomode after the races 👍

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Great pics, all feel very real!

 

[GTWolverine]

So disappointed in myself. Made Top 16 Nations for the very first time. Door no. 16 and 16th in room on points. Started 9th, did well, and was running 6th.

Then on the final lap I overshot a corner and took a trip on the grass. 2 guys right behind overtook me and I finished 8th for 315 points.

I suppose in perspective it was a decent result since I never qualify for these things, but feel very gutted as I had 6th in the bag.

Makes me wonder if I should've tried to get in that race. Not sure if I would've made it, but if I had I might've been set for an amazing points total, even if it meant sacrificing my 100% Top 5 record with this car (I already lost my 100% podium record in the Top 16 "spillover" slot, so I know I wouldn't have a Top 5 chance in the actual Top 16 race). I've also never made a Top 16 race, so I'm not sure how points work, but is the gap between each spot roughly 9-10 points like it is in normal races?

 

[mohitraina91]

Makes me wonder if I should've tried to get in that race. Not sure if I would've made it, but if I had I might've been set for an amazing points total, even if it meant sacrificing my 100% Top 5 record with this car (I already lost my 100% podium record in the Top 16 "spillover" slot, so I know I wouldn't have a Top 5 chance in the actual Top 16 race). I've also never made a Top 16 race, so I'm not sure how points work, but is the gap between each spot roughly 9-10 points like it is in normal races?

Matching is by points I believe, I was the lowest rated with 1100 points before matching took place. I see you have ~976 points after your strong showing yesterday (so slightly lower when matching would have taken place). Between those two points tallies the standings are quite crowded if you look through the below link (around 30 people, minus a few non S drivers).

https://www.gran-turismo.com/ie/gtsport/sportmode/championship/2259/rankings

I also got lucky with people not showing up. May happen to you as well, but you would need to gain a few more positions in the standings. If that's a goal, keep racing, learning, and improving, and it might happen 1 day . I only became an A+ driver yesterday, was A rated before that.

Points gap was around 15 - 17 I think

 

[Jwptexas]

Well that was way too close for comfort last night racing at 24H.... I've got a 17 point lead over 6th in the standings and we got matched up in every single slot yesterday. Just a couple of Ford drivers battling it out on the final slot it wasn't looking good at all when I didn't even put in a qualifying lap meanwhile my buddy qualified 6th, however he needed to place 1st in order to jump into 5th in the standings.

It wasn't looking good for me so I decided to start on hard tires and run hards entire race with just a splash of fuel. This worked out for me.... I was able to move into top 10 after guys had made their pit stops after 1st lap and managed to just pass pit lane exit as I see other Ford driver coming out of pits on fresh medium tires. He quickly made up the 3 second gap and I was able to slow him down for a good bit before I finally put my signal on for him to pass me....

I knew if I was near him, he wasnt going to win. May have been a little bit dirty of me but i wasn't blatantly throwing blocks or anything like that just putting myself in the right positions to make it difficult for him to get around.

Star player here I come! This is the same guy who robbed me of star player on the final week of stage 1. One hell of a battle we have going on, lol!! This wasn't happening again, not in my slot.

 

[Cerebral303]

I had a totally mixed experience last night.

Manufacturers first, and having done 2/3 of the race length just to set a qualifying time near the back, I climbed to the top 10 in the circuit section alone, but before I was even halfway round I had collected 4.5 seconds of penalties for being punted and gone off multiple times crawling at the back with damage. The green hell may be named because of the deadly demanding nature of the place, but "hell is other people" applied here today. I quit before it could get any worse and took a massive hit on SR in the end.

Nations next, and I used the tune here from @Adam Barber and a similar pit strategy to @Redneckchef . I was paired with a mixed bunch of DR all with low SR, but oddly enough not as intentionally dirty as a lot of drivers with SR S. Qualified pole on the first fast lap and rested on that time rather than try and beat it, find I race better with a gap after qualifying, still warmed up but fresh. By the end of the session I had 5th place to start on the grid.

Love standing starts, and made a very good one putting me in 2nd by the first corner. Soft tyres were a good choice to begin. I had nailed the braking points on the out lap for qualifying and found a good rhythm a few seconds or so behind 1st. It was enough so I didn't worry about dirty air, but close enough to keep the pressure on and grab 1st when they made a mistake which happened around lap 2. I gradually built a healthy lead before first pit, and then went to mediums to try and preserve as much advantage early on. I lost a bit of time but it was the single lap of hard tyres after that had me only 1.5s ahead at the end of the stint before pitting and losing position, but as @Redneckchef found - saving a final set of softs for the last 3 laps was killer, I thrashed it hard on the out lap, gained back 1st, and then built a comfortable lead that allowed me to throw a few tenths of a second on a bunch of corners nursing it home for the win instead of risking a spin.

Getting ahead of the crowd at the start was key, especially as these cars suddenly lunge forward when the turbo hits making it harder to judge moves. Got the fastest lap. Has been a while since I won. SR jumped back up too. Everyone else had red dots next to their names except me!

 

[jimihemmy]

20:10 EDT Manufacturers Series Round 20: Nürburgring 24h

I have been looking forward to this race since I saw it on the calendar! After doing some testing, I knew I could do 2 laps on mediums and have enough fuel. I enter the paddock with 17 on the door. At the start of qualifying, I jet out first and have a sizable gap with whoever is behind me. I take my out lap like a race lap so I can have some more room. I end up on pole while not having any slipstream. I figure anyone on the track with me would slow us both down. P2 is an RCZ, P3 a Nissan GT-R, P4 in a Lexus and P5 is a Supra.

I decide to outsmart those behind me and start on hards to get them out of the way and hopefully keep them at bay. T1, the RCZ bumps me but slows down and then get bumped by the GT-R and slides a little and I keep P1 until the Dunlop U-turn and the RCZ takes the inside and he gets about a wheels' length lead into the Schumacher S and a let off to let him through so we don't both crash there. The Supra is now P3 and the GT-R is P4. The Supra passes on the inside as we enter the Ring. We stay this way until the GT-R slipstreams by me on Döttenger Höhe which was fine since I was going to pit for mediums and a fill up.

I go in and come out of the pit P4. I am now about 20 seconds behind the lead pack that are within 1 seconds of each other. I just race hard for lap 2 until they all pit with the Supra in P1, GT-R is P2, and the RCZ in P3. The Supra comes out of the pits in P3 and I am right on his tail with P1 and P2 only 5 seconds ahead. I feel that I have a chance to catch them if I can get around the Supra.

The Supra is playing defense while the GT-R runs away in P1 and we are slowly closing in on the RCZ. I go off at Höhe Acht. My hopes of a podium dwindle.....

The Supra is having trouble on his hard tires and starts sliding everywhere allowing to catch up. He looses it at Galgenkopf and I get by and speed on down Dottenger Höhe. The Supra was able to save it and kept P4 but not enough to run me down. The GT-R wins about a car length ahead of the RCZ and I take home third.

I bet that if I would have started on mediums, I probably could have won the race but hindsight is 20/20. I thought about going again but I didn't want to ruin what is my best score this season in the Manufacturer Series 2020.

Oh well, lesson learned! On to the next one!

 

[Pelikan]

Top 16 Nations had a wild start. Not many things went right:

 

[Trone_Colby]

Top 16 Nations had a wild start. Not many things went right:

Aside from the few takeouts, that was cleaner than my race start lol. I’m glad I was in front and gone.