FITT 60/40, 40/60, 460PP Shootout- scores posted, congrats to tuners!

[CyKosis1973]

Everyone's HSR times worry me. 1.12, seriously?

Me too. I've only seen one of my test cars get that close, everything else is in the 1:13-14 category. I expect this to end up being a 2 tier event, the "Elise/VX220/MR2 Crowd" vs "Everyone Else".

Personally, I think I'm going to throw my lot in with "Everyone Else"...

{Cy}

 

[Onboy123]

Me too. I've only seen one of my test cars get that close, everything else is in the 1:13-14 category. I expect this to end up being a 2 tier event, the "Elise/VX220/MR2 Crowd" vs "Everyone Else".

Personally, I think I'm going to throw my lot in with "Everyone Else"...

{Cy}

Hmmm…if I bothered to carry on with it, my 240SX or whatever it's called could have been quite close to these times, but I might have had to sacrifice AR for it, which isn't something I intend to do.

But to be honest, it would be as RJ predicted, the 40/60 cars would, in all probability thrash the 60/40 cars. They've already convinced me that the former is somewhat superior to the latter in terms of the feeling of the car, as well as the handling benefits.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Hmmm…if I bothered to carry on with it, my 240SX or whatever it's called could have been quite close to these times, but I might have had to sacrifice AR for it, which isn't something I intend to do.

But to be honest, it would be as RJ predicted, the 40/60 cars would, in all probability thrash the 60/40 cars. They've already convinced me that the former is somewhat superior to the latter in terms of the feeling of the car, as well as the handling benefits.

Whoever makes the fastest 40/60 around Autumn Ring FTW then. Both my Golf and my Mazda6 run 1:23s at AR, but lack the pace at the High Speed Ring, 1:14s ... if I close my eyes and use the Force around certain corners

{Cy}

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Big tip, cornering speed for the 1st corner is 120mph. Carry that speed through, you're halfway there. I think.

For HSR/R right ? Most of my cars on share could do it at 125mph with proper entry and exits at over 130mph ( entering the tunnel ), the trick is to take the left edge on entry, a bit to the right in the middle and exits on the left again. Exiting the tunnel, the car should travel at over 140 mph before braking hard for the S bend.

 

[Onboy123]

For HSR/R right ? Most of my cars on share could do it at 125mph with proper entry and exits at over 130mph ( entering the tunnel ), the trick is to take the left edge on entry, a bit to the right in the middle and exits on the left again.

Yup. My cars do 121-123mph and exits at 130+ as well. Even my Alpine could do that, though high speed, gentle angled cornering was a bit terrifying in a 246hp, 850kg RR with dinky tyres and no rear wing.

 

[Theo777]

After some testing yesterday I was looking at the '02 MR-S 6MT for some balance at both tracks... 1:12s HSR reverse and 1:23s at AR. So it decimated everything else I tried at each track. I really wanted the '91 Civic SiR-II to do a bit better than 1:13s at HSR reverse. I was surprised by the handling of the '05 330i at AR but the top speed was about 10mph to slow at HSR. So the search for something 60/40 that is even close to the MR-S times continues. Here hoping something like a '07 Mazda Atenza can do a little bit better than the Civic.

 

[Onboy123]

After some testing yesterday I was looking at the '02 MR-S 6MT for some balance at both tracks... 1:12s HSR reverse and 1:23s at AR. So it decimated everything else I tried at each track.

Got a spare? I'm running the older model, and I'm not sure if the newer one has any advantages like wider tyres or more power, so I want to experiment if you have one to spare. And welcome to the MR 40/60 club as well as the MR2 club, 1 of 3!

 

[trackripper123]

For HSR/R right ? Most of my cars on share could do it at 125mph with proper entry and exits at over 130mph ( entering the tunnel ), the trick is to take the left edge on entry, a bit to the right in the middle and exits on the left again.

I followed the driving line like a lemming... Let's try that corner again.

 

[Onboy123]

I followed the driving line like a lemming... Let's try that corner again.

That Ruf of yours can easily hold on to a wider line without worries, it's just you I'm worried about.

 

[trackripper123]

That Ruf of yours can easily hold on to a wider line without worries, it's just you I'm worried about.

What's new?

 

[Onboy123]

What's new?

Hmm…yea, good point, what else was I expecting. Just spend some time away from the wood/wire box that is the grand piano and use that time driving the Ruf around, you'll get there.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The 1st right long corner on HSR/R can be taken flat out, it might looks it's going to hit the left barrier, but with a good setup, it will stay gripping and gripping following the curve, be brave, don't be tricked by the speed. I was surprised when I could do it almost flat out in the Speedster and 147 GTA.

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

I think this it will be end by MR cars vs FR cars so you can make this 1:12xxx or 1:11.xxx 👍

 

[Theo777]

So the Atenza is not bad considering its a 60/40. I managed a sub-1:13 at HSR/R with that crazy first corner minimum speed of about 122mph. AR was still in the high 1:23s. But there is room for improvement in the handling department at AR.

 

[Onboy123]

So the Atenza is not bad considering its a 60/40. I managed a sub-1:13 at HSR/R with that crazy first corner minimum speed of about 122mph. AR was still in the high 1:23s. But there is room for improvement in the handling department at AR.

How much +ve ride height was used to stop it from crashing, I wonder. Or was it none and that you just have a knack for this whole tuning thing?

 

[Theo777]

How much +ve ride height was used to stop it from crashing, I wonder. Or was it none and that you just have a knack for this whole tuning thing?

I think I was using -15/-25. I didn't record the tuning settings so I am not sure. The 91 civic I was working on ran decently when slammed. Im guessing that the Atenza chassis could be made to handle it with some adjustments.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Does different ride height front and back really affect the car handling that much ? I setup all my cars with same ride height F and R, seems fine to me.

 

[DigitalBaka]

I followed the driving line like a lemming... Let's try that corner again.

Yeah, don't do that. I'm a DL monkey and I gave up using it at HSR, in any configuration, because it is just so wrong. In the high speed banked corners you need to stay up at the top as steady as you can. The speed you can carry on that line far outweighs the shorter line at the bottom.

How much +ve ride height was used to stop it from crashing, I wonder. Or was it none and that you just have a knack for this whole tuning thing?

The Atenza/6 is actually a really nice car...or it was on CS tires at the 'ring. I was able to make it decent so it can't be too bad!

Does different ride height front and back really affect the car handling that much ? I setup all my cars with same ride height F and R, seems fine to me.

I've mostly seen it used for cars that really need the extra swing that it can provide or for extreme TT setups. For the most part I think using same height works fine.

 

[jtqmopar]

I've mostly seen it used for cars that really need the extra swing that it can provide or for extreme TT setups. For the most part I think using same height works fine.

That all depends though. Since we don't know the original drop from adding the fully customizable suspension, we can't be sure how much mroe to drop the rear if you want an even drop. For example, you will almost always get less height (more numbers down) in a real aftermarket suspension. Like Mustangs, you may get 1" front, but it will be ~1.5" rear to level the car

 

[CyKosis1973]

So the Atenza is not bad considering its a 60/40. I managed a sub-1:13 at HSR/R with that crazy first corner minimum speed of about 122mph. AR was still in the high 1:23s. But there is room for improvement in the handling department at AR.

FWD or 4WD..?? I love both variants, deceptively quick...

Yeah, don't do that. I'm a DL monkey and I gave up using it at HSR, in any configuration, because it is just so wrong. In the high speed banked corners you need to stay up at the top as steady as you can. The speed you can carry on that line far outweighs the shorter line at the bottom.

Going through the first corner, I clip the inside of the bend at the end of the recommended braking zone, apply full lock and keep my foot it. From pretty much the centre of the bend to exit, I'm rubbing the door handles on the armco. There's so much grip up there, it's absurd.

In my fastest car (FWD by the way), when I lift off the brake, I'm sat at 124mph and by the time I straighten the wheels, I've only lost 2mph. It's eerie...

The Atenza/6 is actually a really nice car...or it was on CS tires at the 'ring. I was able to make it decent so it can't be too bad!

See above. If it weren't for a rather interesting car I've been toying with, I might have been tempted to stick with my 4WD Mazda6...

Does different ride height front and back really affect the car handling that much ? I setup all my cars with same ride height F and R, seems fine to me.

To save picking at an old scab, let's just say that changing ride height does affect how your car handles...

{Cy}

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Why I love HSR-R-:

 

[krenkme]

Okay, so this is the first I really sat down and tested (I'd like to thank NEWDRIVER for sending me a car to judge against. Thank you my friend). I have a good...umm...vehicle . At AR, but it just does not have the pull to keep up at HSR/r. Still need yo find "the one".

P.s. the E-Type is ALOT if fun, but not up to par

 

[jtqmopar]

I'm putting my Elise and Peugot up on share if anyone wants to see what kind of garbage, erm, I mean car(s) they might be up against. I can only pull 1:16.5xx's and 1:17.3xx's respectively (HSR/R), but some of you better drivers I know can get better numbers with them.

 

[Motor City Hami]

I'm putting my Elise ... on share...

Until now I couldn't beat the Elise, but I found an Elise killer. There are some very special cars available if you are willing to look around a bit.

I really wish more 60/40 cars had a chance. Maybe this should have been 60/40 cars at 460PP and 40/60 cars at 440PP?

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Best bet for 60/40 is probably going to be the premium Atenza, maybe a C30.

 

[ugabugaz]

Can I still sign up? If YES, sign me up. If No, sadface. thanks

 

[CSLACR]

Why I love HSR-R-:

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[DigitalBaka]

Got a chance to run a few cars this afternoon. Stayed away from the MR2s because i don't want to turn this into the second coming of the roadster shootout with all the Hondas. I am trying to go for a less obvious selection. Some findings so far:

Dodge Ram: couple PP short of 460 but not really competitive anyway
S2000 (I had to ): couldn't make it to 60/40 or 40/60 on any of them I tried, imagine the same is probably true of the M3 but i need to find one
Evo TM SCP: fastish but hideous to drive
Shelby GT350: might work but for a better tuner than myself
X-Runner: surprising, ran it with no tune and it was faster than expected, could be a good fun entry

I have one I'm keeping a lid on for now because it is stupidly fast on both tracks with no tune and I am secretly embarrassed at what I needed to do to get it to spec. It is nice though. The testers will love me because you cannot spin it unless you intend to and even then it takes a lot. I may just use its little brother and try to get it to handle as well as this does.

I want to try a few more 60/40s but it looks like I may jump on the 40/60 bandwagon so far.

I really wish more 60/40 cars had a chance. Maybe this should have been 60/40 cars at 460PP and 40/60 cars at 440PP?

Me too. So far the best for what little I've tried has been the X-Runner. If I can find one that will turn well enough...

Best bet for 60/40 is probably going to be the premium Atenza, maybe a C30.

I would lean toward the Atenza as well after seeing how well it did in the first FF shootout. Might take a trip through the archives to see if I can find something to try now that I've remembered that.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

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Let's just say we used to run it a lot and I've got fond memories of that same duel (as well as NSX vs NSX) there. I know the track quite well after all that so it pains me to not be able to participate here.

 

[ugabugaz]

IF I'm able to enter I do believe I've found a car. Preliminary slightly-optimized testing laps below. Autumn Ring time is very close to best time for the car, HSR can be improved quite a bit I believe.

13.5's 12.3's for HSR (Could probably squeeze another .2)
22.6's for AR

Both are Online Lounge times

Not an MR2/Lotus