FITT Challenge STi Vs Evo Battle! Results; Congratulations to Praiano63, Otaliema & Brian Wolf

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I agree with Otaliema, the rear toe seems high and maybe some small adjustments on the LSD. For my driving style it's not too far off, but like Ridox said, his tunes are more on the tight side and he gets some amazing times out of it. So I would wait and see what the other testers say and see what they get before trying to change anything. You don't want to hurt it at Tsukuba in the wet that's for sure!👍
Thanks for the response and compliments. I asked because I'm constantly updating and adding notes to my personal tuning guide i use for myself. I just want to make sure i take note of all the feedback i get and see where i can make adjustments to alter the ride of the tune. Everything about tuning is still very complicated for me. As soon as i think i understand how something works, A different car will act completely contradicting, using the same theory.
 
I should take a page out of your book to be honest.

The work I do behind the wheel is a lot better than what I can do with the spanners :lol:

When I'm looking for a setup for a specific car, I have a look in the directory and compare tunes for the same car by different tuners.

It's only recently that I've started working on a setup from the start and noticing the changes made 'on the run'. Working with a tuner ha been an eye-opening experience :eek:

I've always kept note of gear ratios & diff ratios. Suspension has been a lot more complex :confused:
 
I just wanted to show this to everyone explaining why I think it's important to run atleast 7 or so consecutive laps when going after the best time. I don't want to open up a can of worms "warming up the tires vs. magical lap at most grip" on this thread, so I'll just keep this short and sweet.

On most cars that I found to have understeer, it seemed that the more laps I ran, the better the car got and the understeer condition started to balance itself out. The more understeer the car had, the more laps it took to come in. These tests were done on the 3rd set of 10 lap runs, so I would like to think that I had learned the car by then and it wasn't just me getting better.

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This car started out with some understeer, and with every lap the car got better and better as shown by the times. Don't mind lap 5, I got distracted by the dog running into the fence whilst chasing a pigeon. (By far the funniest thing I've seen all week!:lol:)

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The same thing happened at Tsukuba in the wet. I thought it was pretty cool as I could feel the car getting better and better as the laps went on, and that made it more fun for me. I noticed that some cars came in by lap 3 or it took up to lap 10 before I could run its best lap. Has anyone else noticed this, I know I've been away for 2 months but I've never really noticed it before. Or am I talking out of my backside here?
 
I just wanted to show this to everyone explaining why I think it's important to run atleast 7 or so consecutive laps when going after the best time. I don't want to open up a can of worms "warming up the tires vs. magical lap at most grip" on this thread, so I'll just keep this short and sweet.

On most cars that I found to have understeer, it seemed that the more laps I ran, the better the car got and the understeer condition started to balance itself out. The more understeer the car had, the more laps it took to come in. These tests were done on the 3rd set of 10 lap runs, so I would like to think that I had learned the car by then and it wasn't just me getting better.

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This car started out with some understeer, and with every lap the car got better and better as shown by the times. Don't mind lap 5, I got distracted by the dog running into the fence whilst chasing a pigeon. (By far the funniest thing I've seen all week!:lol:)

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The same thing happened at Tsukuba in the wet. I thought it was pretty cool as I could feel the car getting better and better as the laps went on, and that made it more fun for me. I noticed that some cars came in by lap 3 or it took up to lap 10 before I could run its best lap. Has anyone else noticed this, I know I've been away for 2 months but I've never really noticed it before. Or am I talking out of my backside here?
Interesting, to be honest, most of my runs were 3-4 laps, adjust, rinse and repeat. So I did not notice this. My best lap at Grand Valley was a 1:10.6xx which you were close to and best at Tsukuba was 1:03.7xx. Maybe I should have run more laps but it was a compromise tune being for 2 tracks under different conditions. Spent most of my time with this class at Tsukuba and longest was about 5 laps, after 2 I knew (or thought I knew) if I liked the change. Something that's going to make me mental now.
 
@Lionheart2113 Excellent reviewing sir! 👍 The cheque`s in the post! ;) Seriously tho... I was worried i`d overtuned and ruined it so i am currently over the moon!! :) I`m starting my testing for street racers this afternoon so i`ll keep in mind your consecutive laps theory. Great work! :cheers:
You are getting better much better. Only one tester in I but your holding second just over Half a second from first and .3 ahead of 3rd
I`ve got me in second .068 behind praiano and bowtie .477 behind me? :confused:
 
@Lionheart2113 Excellent reviewing sir! 👍 The cheque`s in the post! ;) Seriously tho... I was worried i`d overtuned and ruined it so i am currently over the moon!! :) I`m starting my testing for street racers this afternoon so i`ll keep in mind your consecutive laps theory. Great work! :cheers:

I`ve got me in second .068 behind praiano and bowtie .477 behind me? :confused:
I thought you were faster, now slow down:P, early though.
 
Interesting, to be honest, most of my runs were 3-4 laps, adjust, rinse and repeat. So I did not notice this. My best lap at Grand Valley was a 1:10.6xx which you were close to and best at Tsukuba was 1:03.7xx. Maybe I should have run more laps but it was a compromise tune being for 2 tracks under different conditions. Spent most of my time with this class at Tsukuba and longest was about 5 laps, after 2 I knew (or thought I knew) if I liked the change. Something that's going to make me mental now.
Those are some pretty respectable times....makes me wish I got back earlier to put in a tune....hours and hours of tuning would have helped me get better times for everyone.
 
I just wanted to show this to everyone explaining why I think it's important to run atleast 7 or so consecutive laps when going after the best time. I don't want to open up a can of worms "warming up the tires vs. magical lap at most grip" on this thread, so I'll just keep this short and sweet.

On most cars that I found to have understeer, it seemed that the more laps I ran, the better the car got and the understeer condition started to balance itself out. The more understeer the car had, the more laps it took to come in. These tests were done on the 3rd set of 10 lap runs, so I would like to think that I had learned the car by then and it wasn't just me getting better.

This car started out with some understeer, and with every lap the car got better and better as shown by the times. Don't mind lap 5, I got distracted by the dog running into the fence whilst chasing a pigeon. (By far the funniest thing I've seen all week!:lol:)

The same thing happened at Tsukuba in the wet. I thought it was pretty cool as I could feel the car getting better and better as the laps went on, and that made it more fun for me. I noticed that some cars came in by lap 3 or it took up to lap 10 before I could run its best lap. Has anyone else noticed this, I know I've been away for 2 months but I've never really noticed it before. Or am I talking out of my backside here?
Thats some interesting food for thought. I too definitely see my lap times drop with the more time spent driving. I have always thought it was me adapting to the car trying to put down the fastest lap. You could be right that the tires get broken in after a few laps.
I have always felt like that was another thing that made tuning hard for me. The more laps i put down the faster i get. even if i adjust a setting that would result in a negative effect, i could still possibly run a new best lap and think that setting change was a good choice when really it wasn't.
 
I can become a tester....
If you wish to test then be sure to have the cars built exactly as posted, give them an equal amount of testing time (e.g 5-10 laps) and then post the fastest lap time each car produced along with a 1-10 score of how much you liked the car. A little bit of feedback saying what you liked/disliked about each car would be nice as well but is not mandatory.
 
If you wish to test then be sure to have the cars built exactly as posted, give them an equal amount of testing time (e.g 5-10 laps) and then post the fastest lap time each car produced along with a 1-10 score of how much you liked the car. A little bit of feedback saying what you liked/disliked about each car would be nice as well but is not mandatory.
Look, don't forget that my PS3 is sick with YLOD. It still works but after a couple of hours, it turns off. Today, it lasted 5 hours and then it turned off again. I'll try it tommorrow (if my PS3 works just like today...)
 
I noticed that some cars came in by lap 3 or it took up to lap 10 before I could run its best lap. Has anyone else noticed this, I know I've been away for 2 months but I've never really noticed it before. Or am I talking out of my backside here?

You are not talking out of your backside at all. I definitely remember when testing and tuning that it took about 2 laps (depending on the length of the track) or so before it felt like the tires were warmed up and had their best grip. It was interesting testing for previous FITT shootouts because sometimes those first 2 laps would feel fantastic, but after the tires warmed the tune felt worse. I can see that if you drive enough laps and the grip on the tires faded out a bit that these tunes would probably start to feel just as good as those first couple laps.

It also seemed the type of tire and the level (soft/medium/hard) warmed up and faded at different rates (which makes some sense). But the thing I found interesting is that a tune and grip felt different on different tracks and at different times of day/weather conditions on the same track. I remember tuning exclusively at Streets of Willow Springs for my FITT spec miata. When the competition ended I took it to different tracks and it did not feel the same at all, and then went back to Streets of Willow Springs and adjusted the time of day and weather conditions for some laps and it felt noticeably different.
 
Feel free to test any class you wish, please read the testers and scoring posts for important information about the testing you have June 18th midnight your time to post your results. We just ask that you post only fully tested groups or the testing is not valid.
I could test just 1/2 laps. What do you think?
 
As long as you test every car the same in the group go for it. Most if the time we recommend 5 Laps to learn the tune but sounds like your PS3 is dieing so test how ever you think you can complete it.
I'm thinking that I should do with this situation... But probably I'll have to continue in this situation until I get enough money to buy a new PS3.
 
This is where you test all the posted tunes for each class and then to post your tune review with best lap times/Drivers choice score Like this post in this link.
All scores and lap times will be combined by @Otaliema at the end to see who can tune the best WRX/Evo...
Maybe not as wordy though!:lol: As most of the regular FITT members know, I tend to ramble on when describing tunes (I can sense a lot of head nodding; as they agree with me :odd:)

All in great fun though!👍
 
Maybe not as wordy though!:lol: As most of the regular FITT members know, I tend to ramble on when describing tunes (I can sense a lot of head nodding; as they agree with me :odd:)

All in great fun though!👍
I have no problem with the way you describe your take on the tunes you test. It helps me improve my technique and the way that I look at a car when tuning.
 
Spec Street Tuner

I’m not a negative person, so if there is any criticism it’s not meant to be an insult, and if my time is slower than what you have, then that’s fair enough. These are non bias opinions based on how I drive and should be taken with a grain of salt! I respect and appreciate the time the tuners have put into their tunes and I will try everything I can to get the most out of the tune itself. I ran each car for 2 sets of 10 laps at each track. I will do a post here shortly explaining what I found about tire wear/heating up on both tracks and why it is crucial to run this many consecutive laps.

Track 1:
Grand Valley East
Tires:
Sport/Hard
Track Settings:
Grip Reduction = Real
Surface Water = 0%

Track 2:
Tsukuba
Tires:
Comfort/Soft
Track Settings:
Grip Reduction = Real
Surface Water = 40%

Driving Setup: DS3, D-pads, “X” throttle, square brake, & Automatic transmission

Driving Options
Driving Line: OFF
Blind Spot Indicator: OFF
Active Steering: OFF
Traction Control: 0
Active Stability Management (ASM): OFF
Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS): 1
Skid Recovery Force (SRF): OFF
Controller Sensitivity: 5

MITSUBISHI

Evolution GSR IV ‘96
suspension
Grand Valley East: 1:11.071
Took a few laps to get the braking down, but soon became manageable. A little on the snug side through the center; made worse if you clipped a curb with the reduced ride height. And on this track, a lot of speed is lost/gained on the backstretch leading down the hill by “legal” curb clipping.
Drivers Choice Score = 7.0

Tsukuba: 1:05.776
The brakes were perfect from the drop of the flag, but again, the lower ride height hurt the car over the many bumps on this track.
Divers Choice Score = 6.5
ありがとうございました!Thank you, we will raise our ride height and try to develop a better damper. thank you for you time LION :)
 
@Lionheart2113 being wordy when giving feedback is generally not a bad thing, unless you know the person well it helps relay the information correctly IMO. And it helps other testers that drive the car, after they test it, I personally will read over other testers reviews while writing my mine to help make sure I'm wording things correctly or reinforcing a aspect to the tune.

Now that the weekend is over I will be getting back to digging into the sheet to see whats causing the time discrepency that was pointed out a page or so back.
 
Always good to have more testers:tup:, check the OP for the rules. Build the cars, you can use the tuning sheets (A,B,C) BUT add power parts and reset trans before each test. Have fun and enjoy the tunes, it also helps you learn what works and does not work for you as you see the different choices that are made. Also, testing should be done in Arcade Mode, ABS1 ONLY AND GRIP SET TO REAL.
@dad9699
Welcome to the insanity:cheers: :lol::lol::lol::lol: :gtpflag:
 
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