FITT - Moving on to GT6!

[Johnnypenso]

While I'm at it...

11)All drivers must submit valid times for all car tunes entered in the event here no later than the MM/DD.(If the number of cars that need to be tested makes the time between final entry and event final a problem then event may be extended.)

There's no point in making a rule when the organizer can just change the rule. Then it's not a rule, just a suggestion and doesn't belong in the rules. If the number of cars might affect the deadline, then it should be planned for in the orignal paramaters of the contest through discussion with the Federation. The purpose of a governing body is to set up these contests so things like extending deadlines due to poor contest planning doesn't occur.

I do believe all contests should have a firm deadline that can be changed only in extraordinary, extenuating circumstances (which don't need to be listed. 9/11, major power outages like the ice storm a few years ago...stuff like that). A guy's dog getting sick or his Mom banning him from PS3 for a while should not derail a sanctioned Shootout.

The contest should be designed in such a way that the SO's participation is not necessary to get it completed and so any extraordinary circumstances on his behalf should allow the Federation to complete the contest on his behalf. In fact, it should be a part of the agreement that all SO's sign, separate from the contest parameters, that if they are not following the rules of the Federation the contest may be taken over at any time by the Federation. Once your name is on something, you have to have an ironclad way of ensuring things are done according to the guidelines you set out, or it's your name that gets corrupted along with the SO's.

Compiling stats should be done in a way that is standardized and accessible to members of the Federation. I'd write it up as such:

The SO will set a fixed deadline for contest entries. All lap times submitted after the entry deadline are DQ'd.

I believe the payouts are part of the contest parameters and don't need separate mention as we've already mentioned above that the SO determines the contest parameters so I'd leave it out altogether. If you feel you have to include it I'd word it as follows:

Prizes, if any, to be established before the contest begins by the SO, along with all relevant parameters regarding qualification, payout dates, etc.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I would also strongly suggest that you come up with a template that can be used as a layout outline for all tuning contests, to ensure consistency between different shootouts and so that a certain contest layout, becomes the recognized F.I.T.T. layout. Of course the F.I.T.T. logo should be in the OP of the contest, and words like F.I.I.T. Sanctioned as well in the thread title. Anyone wanting to start a F.I.T.T. sanctioned event should be required to submit a draft of their contest layout to the Federation for review before posting it online. Nothing should be posted online that is not a finished product as far as shootouts go, again to promote consistency and brand recognition.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The purpose of a governing body is to set up these contests so things like extending deadlines due to poor contest planning doesn't occur.

No offense to Zeta, but allowing only 7 days from the tune submission deadline to the test drive submission deadline is a bit short. You're talking potentially 10 cars, maybe 15 or more that need to be driven a minimum of 75km. That's 750 to 1125 km or more of testing and it's going to take a while. If you get a few tunes near the deadline, the test drivers are going to be awfully busy and pressed to finish in time.

Rather than continuously extending an unrealistic deadline, these things should be discussed ahead of time with F.I.T.T. organizers and using past experience as a guideline, come up with a realistic scenario you can stick to.

 

[C-ZETA]

No offense to Zeta, but allowing only 7 days from the tune submission deadline to the test drive submission deadline is a bit short. You're talking potentially 10 cars, maybe 15 or more that need to be driven a minimum of 75km. That's 750 to 1125 km or more of testing and it's going to take a while. If you get a few tunes near the deadline, the test drivers are going to be awfully busy and pressed to finish in time.

To be honest, I wasn't all sure with the deadline for testing. However, if you look at the rules I posted, I'm allowing testing to begin whilst tuning is being done, since with the system I'm using, tunes will take time to flow in. Besides which, there are only two testers at the moment...

 

[Johnnypenso]

Sorry man, I didn't mean to point the finger at you, I just thought it was a good example to highlight a point.

It may be that having only 2 test drivers is a result of the paramters of the test being completely subjective, as opposed to most shootouts being measured in terms of lap times. It's a bit early to tell though.

 

[praiano63]

To be honest, I wasn't all sure with the deadline for testing. However, if you look at the rules I posted, I'm allowing testing to begin whilst tuning is being done, since with the system I'm using, tunes will take time to flow in. Besides which, there are only two testers at the moment...

Bad point for me, i'm the last of the list so the last to recieve my car..... Good point ,i`m fast to tune a car.. .
Let see the part of gravel and snow.... Never drive this kind of tracks, will have to learn to drive and tune for it in this short time.

 

[C-ZETA]

Bad point for me, i'm the last of the list so the last to recieve my car..... Good point ,i`m fast to tune a car.. .

You aren't last anymore, and besides which there's only 3 days since you receive the ticket for the car anyway.

 

[CSLACR]

A bunch of good points. (quad post? )

On the subject of testing, I would say longer deadlines are needed, but the problem with a long testing deadline is that it leaves to much space between the excitement of starting and the payoff of finish.
So testing should be able to commence ASAP, the trick is to not allow posting of results until the tuning deadline, (imo) so nobody can gain in any circumstance, an unfair advantage from seeing how other cars/tunes start stacking up.

 

[zero_speed]

Add this to the event list:

CKR's 500pp AWD Super Lap Battle

date(s): TBD
track: Tsukuba
car restrictions: no race cars, RM models, rally, or tuner cars of ANY type.
build restrictions: 500pp, sport soft tires, no more than 5% power limiter, AWD.

max number of entrants allowed: 12
max number of test drivers allowed: 4 (2 wheel and 2 DS3 drivers)

Prizes: TBD (currently seeking donations and sponsorship)

details: Time to find out who is the best AWD tuner here. Fastest average time wins. Grand prizes will be awarded for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.

This is basically it. Once the thread goes live, I will post the deadlines for sign ups, tune submission, results submission, etc. in the official thread. There are a couple more rules that will be posted as well.

 

[XDesperado67]

@zero_speed do I add you to the end of the waiting line for upcoming events of the short 3-4 week shootout kind or is this going to be a longer slower paced event that can be run simultaneously with the faster paced shootouts?

Oh and I'll be the first to grab a tuners slot since your limiting it to 12 tuners.👍👍
Might see if some of the other Outlaws want to join me in a team effort to show people that good teamwork can make the best tunes.

 

[praiano63]

Add this to the event list:

CKR's 500pp AWD Super Lap Battle

date(s): TBD
track: Tsukuba
car restrictions: no race cars, RM models, rally, or tuner cars of ANY type.
build restrictions: 500pp, sport soft tires, no more than 5% power limiter, AWD.

max number of entrants allowed: 12
max number of test drivers allowed: 4 (2 wheel and 2 DS3 drivers)

Prizes: TBD (currently seeking donations and sponsorship)

details: Time to find out who is the best AWD tuner here. Fastest average time wins. Grand prizes will be awarded for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.

This is basically it. Once the thread goes live, I will post the deadlines for sign ups, tune submission, results submission, etc. in the official thread. There are a couple more rules that will be posted as well.

I'm in 100% , 500pp AWD cars any types. Tsukuba.... this smell so good.!!

Anytime ,waiting for deadlines, i will begin to look for a car... just for the fun.I allready love this shootout.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I will throw my hat in the ring as well as a tuner. Be my first go at it, I think it'll be fun.

 

[zero_speed]

@zero_speed do I add you to the end of the waiting line for upcoming events of the short 3-4 week shootout kind or is this going to be a longer slower paced event that can be run simultaneously with the faster paced shootouts?

Oh and I'll be the first to grab a tuners slot since your limiting it to 12 tuners.👍👍
Might see if some of the other Outlaws want to join me in a team effort to show people that good teamwork can make the best tunes.

It is a fast paced event. I am ready to go as soon as CZETA's event is over. Also at a glance that list isn't very helpful. There are names on that list, but to someone considering putting a event together there is no useful information.

I'm in 100% , 500pp AWD cars any types. Tsukuba.... this smell so good.!!

Anytime ,waiting for deadlines, i will begin to look for a car... just for the fun.I allready love this shootout.

Great can't wait to see what you find for this, but please keep your car choice hush hush for now. =)

I will throw my hat in the ring as well as a tuner. Be my first go at it, I think it'll be fun.

Great!

 

[TimberW]

Is the current Rally Shootout still on schedule? Finishing on 3rd of October? Also, when will be the best time to post my Shootout, since I'm next in line.

 

[XDesperado67]

It is a fast paced event. I am ready to go as soon as CZETA's event is over. Also at a glance that list isn't very helpful. There are names on that list, but to someone considering putting a event together there is no useful information.
Great can't wait to see what you find for this, but please keep your car choice hush hush for now. =)
Great!

The list of sponsors for events is the order of who is next in our faster paced (3-4 week long) shootouts so your proposed shootout should be at the end of the list after DigitalBaka. Dates up to this point have been a bit fluid with CSLACR being the first to actually wrap up their shootout on the scheduled date. I will start to add more shootout details to the upcoming events schedule when sponsors provide them to me, so when I add you to the list I can include the details that it is a 500PP, 4wd on sport soft tires with a 12 tuner limit and 4 test drivers. Unless told otherwise I'll list those as first come first entered unless your planning to go by invites first then fill out tuners and test drivers by submission order of those not invited.

Is the current Rally Shootout still on schedule? Finishing on 3rd of October? Also, when will be the best time to post my Shootout, since I'm next in line.

As far as I can determine the current Rally Shootout is on schedule. I would recommend posting your thread around the testing deadline of the current shootout. If you want to post here or send me a PM/E-mail of shootout details such as zero_speed posted I will add them to the upcoming events listing for you. Of course if you don't want to deal with tracking early entries or give tuners a head start on their entries you can withhold any or all details of your shootout.

If we can show that events will be ending on schedule, barring the unforeseen disaster, then I will also start including proposed dates for these upcoming events as well. Until then any dates would only be a rough guestament on my part.

Remember the upcoming events listing is there to give everyone who wants a chance to sponsor an event in a timely fashion. While tuners may be able to work on several cars at one time, test drivers for events have only a limited amount of time to test cars so running multiple faster paced events with the large number of tunes these events has makes it unrealistic to expect a lot of driver participation. That's why I've set up the upcoming events roster and recommend everyone interested in running an event be patient and show their support of the community by waiting their turn.

Remember
As Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!

 

[Indy Racerfan]

Oh let me be a DS3 driver please

even though I hate tsukaba

Indy

 

[zero_speed]

The list of sponsors for events is the order of who is next in our faster paced (3-4 week long) shootouts so your proposed shootout should be at the end of the list after DigitalBaka. Dates up to this point have been a bit fluid with CSLACR being the first to actually wrap up their shootout on the scheduled date. I will start to add more shootout details to the upcoming events schedule when sponsors provide them to me, so when I add you to the list I can include the details that it is a 500PP, 4wd on sport soft tires with a 12 tuner limit and 4 test drivers. Unless told otherwise I'll list those as first come first entered unless your planning to go by invites first then fill out tuners and test drivers by submission order of those not invited.

I gave you all the basic information, including the name lol, update it already. A sponsor should be able to give you some basic information for their proposed event. Anyone should be able to look at that list and at a glance figure out if someone else isn't planning something similar. Example: how am I supposed to know if DB (or anyone else) is planning something very similar to CKR's event? Sign ups will be done normally, but there will be deadlines for the following:

Tuner sign ups
test driver sign ups
tune submission
test results submission

Oh let me be a DS3 driver please

even though I hate tsukaba

Indy

Nice!! Glad to have you aboard, thanks for the support should be fun.

 

[CSLACR]

I gave you all the basic information, including the name lol, update it already. A sponsor should be able to give you some basic information for their proposed event. Anyone should be able to look at that list and at a glance figure out if someone else isn't planning something similar. Example: how am I supposed to know if DB (or anyone else) is planning something very similar to CKR's event? Sign ups will be done normally, but there will be deadlines for the following:

Tuner sign ups
test driver sign ups
tune submission
test results submission

A very fair point.
People that are putting themselves on the list should be able to give some kind of basic idea of what their contest will be, to allow potential event hosts decide what to make their events, I can't imagine something more irritating than planning something for 3 months to find the guy in line before you was doing it after all this time.

I'd never considered it yet, but it seems something that should be addressed quickly.

 

[XDesperado67]

I gave you all the basic information, including the name lol, update it already. A sponsor should be able to give you some basic information for their proposed event. Anyone should be able to look at that list and at a glance figure out if someone else isn't planning something similar. Example: how am I supposed to know if DB (or anyone else) is planning something very similar to CKR's event? Sign ups will be done normally, but there will be deadlines for the following:

Tuner sign ups
test driver sign ups
tune submission
test results submission

Okay I'll be adding your information to the end of the list.

I'll also add information about my upcoming shootout...going to be a bit different!

 

[DigitalBaka]

Go ahead and add my info as well: roadsters @ 450pp. I will probably stick to one track as I would like to experiment with the 2-3 week timeframe rather than a 3-4 week length, though I am fighting with two at the moment.

 

[Milldrum]

Go ahead and add my info as well: roadsters @ 450pp. I will probably stick to one track as I would like to experiment with the 2-3 week timeframe rather than a 3-4 week length, though I am fighting with two at the moment.

Would it be better to list it as a 'One Make 450pp Event' instead of giving the car/make before the launch? Then nobody can start to test pre-event.

 

[TimberW]

A very fair point.
People that are putting themselves on the list should be able to give some kind of basic idea of what their contest will be, to allow potential event hosts decide what to make their events, I can't imagine something more irritating than planning something for 3 months to find the guy in line before you was doing it after all this time.

I'd never considered it yet, but it seems something that should be addressed quickly.

+1

Maybe someone like Desparado can have an list of what the Shootout will be and as people want to get on the list, they should provide roughly the Shootout restrictions and then Desperado can reply to the future sponsor if a similar event has already been planned or not.

 

[XDesperado67]

Starting to update the upcoming events listing with additional information.

Here's the warning order for my next bit of insanity!

Wallbanger's Tons of fun shootout
Dates: To Be Determined
Tracks:London and Monza (no chicane)
Event details: All cars must weigh a minimum of 1500KG, tires are limited to Sport Soft and there is no Power Point restriction. No Race Cars or Race Modified cars allowed. Entries will be placed in groups of 6 cars for testing. (Group size may be adjusted depending on number of entries i.e. 20 entries would have 2 groups of 7 and 1 group of 6, 22 entries would have 3 groups of 6 and 1 group of 5.) Points will be awarded to each car in group as follows: Fastest at each track and fastest overall getting 6 points down to slowest getting 1 point. Heaviest car gets 6 points down to lightest getting 1 point (ties mean the lower of the 2, or more, possible point values are awarded i.e. if the two heaviest cars in a group are both 1800kg they both get 5 points for second place.). Drivers choice - all test drivers will rate the cars in group assigning their favorite 6 points down to 1 point for least favorite, the car with the most drivers choice points in group will get 6 points down to 1 point for car with fewest drivers choice points getting 1 point. The 2 cars getting the highest point totals in each group will go to a final round against the top cars from the other groups with a minimum of 48 hours between end of round 1 testing for the last group and start of the final round for tuners to make adjustments to their tunes. Final round will be scored in same fashion as 1st round. (Points may vary if group size is different i.e. maximum of 7 points in each category for groups with 7 cars, 5 for groups with 5 cars.) Test drivers need only submit times and drivers choice for a single group of cars, they need not commit to testing all cars over both rounds.Tuners are eligible to participate as test drivers.
Prize awards: To Be Determined.
Further details and/or changes to this will be announced elsewhere.

 

[XDesperado67]

Okay acting on member recommendation, and in the interest of giving as many others as possible who wish to sponsor an event a chance, I've moved myself to the end of the list. If anyone else wishes to sponsor an event please notify me forthwith (that means as soon as possible ) and I will slot you in.

Also if you have declared your intention to sponsor an event but find that the time period your slotted for is going to be an issue or that outside issues (real life things) are causing problems don't be afraid to ask that you be switched to a later slot.

Finally does anyone wish to volunteer as my secretarial assistant? Mainly since we have several different issues such as the rules update, logo search, event tracking etc. ongoing currently I need some help keeping track of group consensus so that I can keep the first 4 posts updated with the correct information. Also if the secretary had a computer and could make a file for upcoming event information, they could then act as a clearinghouse for questions regarding things like is someone already planning this type of event, what PP levels are people planning to use for their events, etc.
Unfortunately for me currently filing information means the good old fashioned pencil and paper since I am currently without a computer.

 

[DigitalBaka]

Would it be better to list it as a 'One Make 450pp Event' instead of giving the car/make before the launch? Then nobody can start to test pre-event.

It isn't specifically the Mazda Eunos/Miata/MX-5/Jellybean. Though I imagine that many will take part given there are so many variations in GT5.

 

[XDesperado67]

It isn't specifically the Mazda Eunos/Miata/MX-5/Jellybean. Though I imagine that many will take part given there are so many variations in GT5.

Triumph!

 

[Milldrum]

I just think that being vague is a good thing until launch. If Roadster doesn't mean just Miatas then that is vague enough.

 

[TimberW]

Just name my shootout, "Touge Tuner Shootout" (500PP Sports Hard Tyres).

Is releasing/starting the thread at 1st of October a good time?

 

[XDesperado67]

Just name my shootout, "Touge Tuner Shootout" (500PP Sports Hard Tyres).

Is releasing/starting the thread at 1st of October a good time?

Consider it done and yeah that should be close enough to the end of C-ZETA's shootout so as to not cause issues.👍👍

 

[Onboy123]

Just name my shootout, "Touge Tuner Shootout" (500PP Sports Hard Tyres).

Is releasing/starting the thread at 1st of October a good time?

Lemme just say something here, aside from the Touge tuners, I'd say RKM would have a chance. After all, I did get Roj interested in the sport…