FITT - Moving on to GT6!

[XDesperado67]

So what I'd like to do is take my rules list from the first post and go down it 1 rule at a time. Question for each one will be as follows;
A) Keep as is with only minor adjustment to wording.
B) Keep basic idea but totally rewrite it for better clarity/ease of implementation/general relevance.
C) Drop rule from F.I.T.T. general rules, either because its to specific to certain event/s or is covered elsewhere or simply isn't needed.

2)There is a XXX PP limit on all cars.

Okay moving on to rule #2. Let's hear it guys.

 

[Onboy123]

Before we do, you need to update your sig.

 

[tris_73]

As they are general rules, how about 'The event organiser will set limits for PP, HP, tyres or any other tuning value as per the needs of the event.'?

 

[Milldrum]

Would there be an occasion that would not have a PP limit? Would there be a BHP event on high/low BHP, or even weight?

I'm not sure how the creative minds work in this regard. Therefore I'm not sure what to do there.

 

[XDesperado67]

Would there be an occasion that would not have a PP limit? Would there be a BHP event on high/low BHP, or even weight?

I'm not sure how the creative minds work in this regard. Therefore I'm not sure what to do there.

Think that's what tris was getting at with his rewrite of the rule.
However while I appreciate the wording tris used it makes me wonder if maybe the rule should just be dropped as its a given that event sponsors are going to set their own limitations/entry requirements for an event.
Perhaps this should be a rule aimed more at those who sponsor events than towards participants in an event, with something like the following.

"It is the responsibility of Event Sponsors to clearly outline the special parameters of their event, i.e. type/s of cars to be included/excluded, PP limits, track selection, HP or weight restrictions etc."

 

[Milldrum]

"Any and all restrictions for cars entering an event will be set by it's organizers."

"All limits on entries will be outlined by the event organizers."

"All entries will comply with the rules as set out by the events organizers."

I would say the third one I wrote here would be the better one from me.

 

[XDesperado67]

Updated the OP with a little additional information about F.I.T.T..

Also added DigitalBaka to the list of Council Members.
Welcome aboard DB and looking forward to your event as it sounds fun.👍👍

 

[DigitalBaka]

Looking forward to helping out and such around here! Thanks to your help I think I have most of the particulars worked out for my event, just waiting my turn in line.

As for rule two, we could combine rules 2, 3, 4 and possibly 5 as:

"Car limitations and restrictions will be set by the event sponsor or host."

That way we can set the expectation without going into each specific detail for PP, tires, aero, etc.

 

[XDesperado67]

Looking forward to helping out and such around here! Thanks to your help I think I have most of the particulars worked out for my event, just waiting my turn in line.

As for rule two, we could combine rules 2, 3, 4 and possibly 5 as:

"Car limitations and restrictions will be set by the event sponsor or host."

That way we can set the expectation without going into each specific detail for PP, tires, aero, etc.

Nice idea. What's everyone else think of something along those lines, since we want to keep the rules as clear and simple as possible?

 

[CSLACR]

Looking forward to helping out and such around here! Thanks to your help I think I have most of the particulars worked out for my event, just waiting my turn in line.

As for rule two, we could combine rules 2, 3, 4 and possibly 5 as:

"Car limitations and restrictions will be set by the event sponsor or host."

That way we can set the expectation without going into each specific detail for PP, tires, aero, etc.

Best one I've heard, simple, quick, all inclusive.

 

[tris_73]

As they are general rules, how about 'The event organiser will set limits for PP, HP, tyres or any other tuning value as per the needs of the event.'?

Looking forward to helping out and such around here! Thanks to your help I think I have most of the particulars worked out for my event, just waiting my turn in line.

As for rule two, we could combine rules 2, 3, 4 and possibly 5 as:

"Car limitations and restrictions will be set by the event sponsor or host."

That way we can set the expectation without going into each specific detail for PP, tires, aero, etc.

That's what I was aiming at with my above quote.

 

[XDesperado67]

That's what I was aiming at with my above quote.

Rules post updated.
Sorry if I misunderstood you tris. Wasn't intentional on my part.

So what I'd like to do is take my rules list from the first post and go down it 1 rule at a time. Question for each one will be as follows;
A) Keep as is with only minor adjustment to wording.
B) Keep basic idea but totally rewrite it for better clarity/ease of implementation/general relevance.
C) Drop rule from F.I.T.T. general rules, either because its to specific to certain event/s or is covered elsewhere or simply isn't pertinent to most events.

Okay moving on to rule #6. Let's hear it guys.
6)All car tunes must be submitted here no later than MM/DD(A link to your garage is sufficient if you do not wish to post the full tune here. Consideration will be given on the final submission date due to time zones, however it is highly recommended that entrants not wait until the last minute to get their contender in.)

Would like to suggest an adjustment to this rule or whatever we settle on stating that all deadlines will be set using GMT to reduce confusion. CSLACR posted a time zone link in the 600PP Road Car Shootout thread, that could be included in this rule.

 

[Milldrum]

How do you post one of those time check things?

 

[XDesperado67]

How do you post one of those time check things?

???Not sure I understand what your asking.
CSLACR posted a link to a site for time zone conversion in the 600PP Shootout thread. It lists current time. Then towards the bottom of the page it gives you places to enter what time zones you wish to convert time from and to. Select the zones and it lists the current times as either am/pm or 24hour clocks.

 

[Milldrum]

GMT would be my preference. EST for me is not the same as America.

 

[XDesperado67]

GMT would be my preference. EST for me is not the same as America.

Thus the suggestion that we make GMT the standard for events with deadlines and provide the link to the conversion site.

Perhaps our FAQ writer could include information on how to use the converter in the FAQs when they are ready and get posted.

 

[tris_73]

Rules post updated.
Sorry if I misunderstood you tris. Wasn't intentional on my part.

No apology necessary. Just agreeing with DB.

GMT would be my preference. EST for me is not the same as America.

Yes please. I think everyone knows where they are in relation to GMT due to the trading cap etc., but I'll be 🤬 if I know where I am in relation to CST or any other zone really.

 

[krenkme]

Here is the site that CSLACR used for the shootout. And here is a chart I've used a lot for my flight Sim.

How to convert Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) to your time zone

Africa Time Zone Offset (in hours)
Accra, Dakar, Monrovia GMT
Algiers, Lagos, Windhoek (West Africa Time) GMT+1
Cairo, Kigali, Johannesburg (Central Africa Time) GMT+2
Addis Ababa, Kampala, Nairobi (East Africa Time) GMT+3


North America Time Zone Offset (in hours)
St. John's (Newfoundland Time) GMT-3.5
Halifax (Atlantic Time) GMT-4
New York, Toronto, Washington (Eastern Time) GMT-5
Chicago, Mexico City, Winnipeg (Central Time) GMT-6
Denver, Edmonton, Salt Lake City (Mountain Time) GMT-7
Los Angeles, San Francisco, Vancouver (Pacific Time) GMT-8
Anchorage, Juneau (Alaska Time) GMT-9
Honolulu (Hawaiian Time) GMT-10

South America Time Zone Offset (in hours)
Brasilia, Buenos Aires, Montevideo GMT-3
Caracas, La Paz, Santiago GMT-4
Bogota, Lima, Panama City GMT-5

Asia Time Zone Offset (in hours)
Amman, Ankara, Jerusalem GMT+2
Baghdad, Kuwait City, Riyadh GMT+3
Tehran GMT+3.5
Abu Dhabi, Baku, Muskat GMT+4
Kabul GMT+4.5
Islamabad, Karachi, Tashkent GMT+5
Bangalore, Mumbai, New Delhi GMT+5.5
Almaty, Colombo, Novosibirsk GMT+6
Rangoon GMT+6.5
Bangkok, Hanoi, Kuala Lumpur GMT+7
Beijing, Manila, Taipei GMT+8
Ambon, Seoul, Tokyo GMT+9
Port Moresby, Vladivostok GMT+10


Australia/New Zealand Time Zone Offset (in hours)
Perth (Western Time) GMT+8
Adelaide, Alice Springs (Central Time) GMT+9.5
Melbourne, Sydney (Eastern Time) GMT+10
Auckland, Christchurch, Wellington GMT+12


Europe Time Zone Offset (in hours)
Dublin, Lisbon, London (Western Europe Time) GMT
Berlin, Paris, Warsaw (Central Europe Time) GMT+1
Athens, Helsinki, Minsk (Eastern Europe Time) GMT+2
Moscow, Murmansk, St. Petersburg GMT+3
Baku, Tbilisi, Yerevan GMT+4


I think it's strait forward. Just find were you live and add/subtract from the GMT as stated. I hope being the FAQ writer this helped

If you're in a Daylight Savings area you will have to subtract an hour during the time you observe it.
If confused if you're in Daylight Savings Time (DST) this might help as well

Most countries save one hour in the summer and change their clocks some time between midnight and 3:00 a.m.

Continent Country Beginning and ending days
Africa Egypt
Start: Last Friday in April
End: Last Thursday in September
Namibia
Start: First Sunday in September
End: First Sunday in April
Asia (Most states of the former USSR.)
Start: Last Sunday in March
End:
Iraq
Start: First Friday in April
End: Last Friday in October
Israel (?)
Start: Last Friday before April 2
End: The Sunday between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur
Jordan
Start: Last Thursday of March
End: Last Friday in September
Lebanon, Kyrgyzstan
Start: Last Sunday in March
End: Last Sunday in October
Mongolia
Start: Fourth Friday in March
End: Last Friday in September
Palestinian regions (Estimate)
Start: First Friday on or after 15 April
End: First Friday on or after 15 October
Syria
Start: March 30
End: September 21
Australasia Australia - South Australia, Victoria,
Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales,
Lord Howe Island
Start: First Sunday in October
End: First Sunday in April
Australia - Tasmania
Start: First Sunday in October
End: Last Sunday in March
New Zealand, Chatham
Start: Last Sunday in September
End: First Sunday in April
Tonga
Start: First Sunday in November
End: Last Sunday in January
UK (I think this is right)
Start: Last Sunday in March
End: Last Sunday in October
North America United States, Canada (excluding Saskatchewan and parts of Quebec, B.C., and Ontario),
Bermuda, St. Johns, Bahamas
Start: Second Sunday in March
End: First Sunday in November
Cuba
Start: Third Sunday in March
End: Last Sunday of October.
Greenland Same as EU
Honduras
Start: May 7
End: August
Mexico (except Sonora)
Start: First Sunday in April
End: Last Sunday in October
Brazil (Equatorial Brazil does not observe DST)
Start: Third Sunday in October
End: Third Sunday in February
Chile
Start:October 11
End: March 29
Falklands
Start: First Sunday on or after 8 September
End: First Sunday on or after 6 April
Paraguay
Start: Third Sunday in October
End: Second Sunday in March
Uruguay
Start: First Sunday in October
End: Second Sunday in March

If this helps? Send me a PM if I missed something, or to tell me this is useless, or anything.

 

[XDesperado67]

@Krenkme I'll make sure to include that chart when I add the FAQ to the OP or one of the subsequent posts on the 1st page.👍👍

Actually thinking of placing it in the post with the Archives and putting a pointer to it in the OP.

Speaking of the OP any creative types feel motivated to create a logo for us? Afraid I have neither the resources nor the artistic talent to do so. Also I'm open to any suggestions for cleaning up my explanation/introduction of F.I.T.T., so feel free to help me make it better.

 

[krenkme]

Glad I could help. I'll see if my kids could come up with a logo, there kind of creative:tup:

EDIT= This is what they came up with so far. If they spend more time on it it might turn out better

 

[Indy Racerfan]

Like the base idea Krenkme, I'd like to see "FITT" with a little more "speed" look with the "I" being a cam shaft or a spark plug upside down with an ARC spark. I'll see what I can do as well. As seat time for me is very limited at the time, until stitches/staples come out.
Also I think we need to come up with a standard for test drivers. A set number of initial/shake down laps allowed, then like 4-8 hot laps. Again just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Tune Fast or Die Trying
Indy

 

[VTiRoj]

You could take Honda's Fit logo and add another T.

 

[DigitalBaka]

Going to play catch up and cover a couple things...follow the bouncing baka!

I think definitely use GMT as a standard. As has been said a lot of people already know fairly well where they are in relation. I like the chart but the only problem I could see in using it would be that pesky daylight savings time adjustment. For example, right now US Central is only 5 hours behind GMT, not the standard 6. Hopefully nobody would wait until that last hour but it could make for a headache or two down the line. My overwritten version might look like this:

"Tunes and lap results must be posted by the date and time specified by the event host. It is highly recommended not to wait until the last minute to post as late entries or results may not be accepted. Tunes may be posted in the event thread or linked to a post in the tuner's garage thread. Tester lap results should be posted in a single post to be edited as more cars are tested. The event host will link all tunes and results at the beginning of the thread."

Of course, pare down as needed. I'm sure there is extraneous stuff in there that we could do away with.

For Indy's suggestion as to a driver standard, I'm yes and no on that. It would be good to let those that want to test know what they are getting into but I wouldn't necessarily put a concrete standard on it. Perhaps say that initial runs should be consistent across all cars tested and recommend that a good standard run would ideally consist of 8-10 clean laps with an additional second run done if time permits. This way we don't put a certain time restraint on it so that the person who might only be able to get in 5 laps at a time for an initial run won't feel like they aren't up to par so long as they get those 5 laps in across the board. That was a really long-winded way of saying it but I think the point is there.

As for a logo, I've been toying with one for a while, though it is a bit more of a formal "crest" looking thinger. Hopefully after the weekend I'll have something mostly done and can post up for opinions.

Think I'm caught up now. I have a busy weekend so I don't know if I'll be able to check in, but that just means there will be another edition of "Follow The Bouncing Baka" to come! 👍 Have a good weekend, all! And get well soon, Indy!

 

[bigberry]

^^ Im pretty sure the east coast and the UK are always 5 hours difference.

 

[CSLACR]

Rules post updated.
Sorry if I misunderstood you tris. Wasn't intentional on my part.

So what I'd like to do is take my rules list from the first post and go down it 1 rule at a time. Question for each one will be as follows;
A) Keep as is with only minor adjustment to wording.
B) Keep basic idea but totally rewrite it for better clarity/ease of implementation/general relevance.
C) Drop rule from F.I.T.T. general rules, either because its to specific to certain event/s or is covered elsewhere or simply isn't pertinent to most events.

Okay moving on to rule #6. Let's hear it guys.
6)All car tunes must be submitted here no later than MM/DD(A link to your garage is sufficient if you do not wish to post the full tune here. Consideration will be given on the final submission date due to time zones, however it is highly recommended that entrants not wait until the last minute to get their contender in.)

Would like to suggest an adjustment to this rule or whatever we settle on stating that all deadlines will be set using GMT to reduce confusion. CSLACR posted a time zone link in the 600PP Road Car Shootout thread, that could be included in this rule.

As far as I've seen, with a calc it doesn't matter where the time zone is, so long as poeple watch for things like "EDT" and don't confuse them with "EST" - EDT is "daylight" meaning daylight savings time.
But in any case -

All car tunes must be submitted no later than the deadline specified by the event host. Please be sure to use the time calculator provided if you're unsure of the deadline.

Of course, something could be added about GMT as well, if that makes it easier for some. My personal frustration with GMT is trying to remember between daylight savings and not, but I guess many of us have that issue.

^^ Im pretty sure the east coast and the UK are always 5 hours difference.

Actually it's currently 5, but in winter will be only 4, and yes, I really wish we could stop using daylight savings time altogether, one of the stupidest ideas ever implemented so vastly.

 

[krenkme]

Added a possible help for the DST problem as well here if it helps. If not, or to confusing I will change it or remove it as need be.

 

[XDesperado67]

Added a possible help for the DTS problem as well here if it helps. If not, or to confusing I will change it or remove it as need be.

I like it but do have one suggestion. Since it will go in the FAQ when we get that up spell out that the last part is for Daylight Savings Time (DTS) as its the first (only?) time that abbreviation is used in your chart. Might not be a bad idea to do that for the first time any given abbreviation is used for that matter just so someone doesn't go glassy eyed trying to figure out that say GMT stands for Greenwich Mean Time and not Gandolf's Meal Time or something.

 

[krenkme]

I like it but do have one suggestion. Since it will go in the FAQ when we get that up spell out that the last part is for Daylight Savings Time (DTS) as its the first (only?) time that abbreviation is used in your chart. Might not be a bad idea to do that for the first time any given abbreviation is used for that matter just so someone doesn't go glassy eyed trying to figure out that say GMT stands for Greenwich Mean Time and not Gandolf's Meal Time or something.

You mean it doesn't mean "Gandolf's Meal Time" . Changed it, DST= Daylight Savings Time, GMT= Greenwich Mean Time in the post. Hope it helps and if (I'm sure I did) miss something please bring it to my attention.

 

[XDesperado67]

You mean it doesn't mean "Gandolf's Meal Time" . Changed it, hope it helps and if (I'm sure I did) miss something please bring it to my attention.

Here is one more giggling little nitpick on my part.

If worried if that you're in Daylight Savings Time (DTS) this might help as well.

 

[krenkme]

Here is one more giggling little nitpick on my part.

If worried if that you're in Daylight Savings Time (DTS) this might help as well.

Sorry, I always re-read about three times after I post and make a ton of edits. Should all be good now:tup: