FITT - Moving on to GT6!

[XDesperado67]

Sounds good, also love the idea of some budget shootouts. Make the tuners have to put cars together on some sort of limited budget.

 

[ryangt]

will be working out the details for my event tomorrow been a tad busy the last few days to be able to get sit down and work some numbers out, but tomorrow I will have a better idea about how the event is going to look.

 

[tris_73]

Sounds good, also love the idea of some budget shootouts. Make the tuners have to put cars together on some sort of limited budget.

Wasn't there something like this floating around a few months back? I seem to recall Onboy having something to do with it.

 

[Onboy123]

Wasn't there something like this floating around a few months back? I seem to recall Onboy having something to do with it.

Oh…you mean the BCC? It's not a tuning challenge, just some TTs with a budget on how much you could spend on your car. Me, being a rich arse that I am, picked a bloody expensive Audi RS4 when the rest were using Clios and TVRs.

But it'll be hard to make a budget based tuning challenge…since the F/C tuning parts cost the best part of damn near 50K to buy, it already defeats the point of making it a budget based event. Unless you plan on not allowing the F/C bits.

 

[tris_73]

Maybe the budgets could be set so the tuner has a choice of either handling (FC Susp.), or as many HP upgrades as fit in to the same amount of money.

Obviously needs a bit more than the 10 seconds of thought I just put into that idea.

 

[VTiRoj]

From my experience, the best budget car build is racing tyres and as much power as possible. If we did that, it would become a contest to see who can find the cheapest Evo, not a tuning contest. You could make semi-racing suspension a mandatory upgrade and disallow racing tyres, then you'd have a budget tuning challenge that actually involves tuning.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Would be a little complicated but one approach would be a before and after contest to see who improved their car the most with the upgrades. You would mandate tire selection, transmission and LSD to allow full tuning, but the rest is limited to $XXXXX. With this approach no one has a lap time advantage in picking the best car, nor do outright lap times matter. All that would matter is the improvement above the stock lap times (on the mandated tires of course).

Now that's a true tuning shootout as it focuses entirely on the benefit of the tune, as opposed to the outright speed of the final result, which in large part, is also determined by PD. You'd have to have a PP range to work in because the gains at 300 pp will be different than 600pp but if you picked say 400-500 stock pp and went from there I think that would work. Two divisions would be cool as well, say 400-450 and 450-500.

The winner will be the one who best selects parts to improve performance combined with their tuning abilities, which encompasses the full range of tuning input. Tuning a car with unlimited parts to choose from is one thing, but selecting the right parts to maximize performance under a given limit and tuning those parts is what tuning is all about.

 

[sprplay]

Hi,

if you're struggeling to find a new theme to work on you could try the one I just did with a few mates:

The Crap Car Contest (CCC)

Try to design the tune with the worst handling. Only restriction is that the car must match exactly 450pp. The tuner with the highest avg. time is going to make the match while the aim of the testers will remain to achive best times.

Track might be Trial Mountain.

 

[VTiRoj]

All that would matter is the improvement above the stock lap times (on the mandated tires of course).

This is something I haven't seen since the GT4 tuner contests. It encourages a wider variety of cars than the format we're using now. 👍

The Crap Car Contest (CCC)

Don't let XDesperado see that, he'll go nuts with his conspiracy theories! I like the idea though, nice and fun contest to unwind a bit between serious contests.

Also I need to stop sounding like I have authority in here, sorry.

 

[XDesperado67]

Would be a little complicated but one approach would be a before and after contest to see who improved their car the most with the upgrades. You would mandate tire selection, transmission and LSD to allow full tuning, but the rest is limited to $XXXXX. With this approach no one has a lap time advantage in picking the best car, nor do outright lap times matter. All that would matter is the improvement above the stock lap times (on the mandated tires of course).

Now that's a true tuning shootout as it focuses entirely on the benefit of the tune, as opposed to the outright speed of the final result, which in large part, is also determined by PD. You'd have to have a PP range to work in because the gains at 300 pp will be different than 600pp but if you picked say 400-500 stock pp and went from there I think that would work. Two divisions would be cool as well, say 400-450 and 450-500.

The winner will be the one who best selects parts to improve performance combined with their tuning abilities, which encompasses the full range of tuning input. Tuning a car with unlimited parts to choose from is one thing, but selecting the right parts to maximize performance under a given limit and tuning those parts is what tuning is all about.

Sounds good.👍👍

Anytime you want to set it up and sponsor this type of event let me know and I'll add you to the upcoming events list.

Hi,

if you're struggeling to find a new theme to work on you could try the one I just did with a few mates:

The Crap Car Contest (CCC)

Try to design the tune with the worst handling. Only restriction is that the car must match exactly 450pp. The tuner with the highest avg. time is going to make the match while the aim of the testers will remain to achive best times.

Track might be Trial Mountain.

Bring it on!

Who knows I might actually be able to win (lose?) this kind of contest.

This is something I haven't seen since the GT4 tuner contests. It encourages a wider variety of cars than the format we're using now. 👍


Don't let XDesperado see that, he'll go nuts with his conspiracy theories! I like the idea though, nice and fun contest to unwind a bit between serious contests.

Also I need to stop sounding like I have authority in here, sorry.

Hey Roj you have as much authority around this Zoo as anyone does.

Remember this is an organization of and for all the tuners and test drivers, I just have the fun of trying to keep this thread up to date and a semblance of order to it.

ryangt has an event in the planning stages that I'll be adding to the upcoming events list soon.

Also looks like Dragonthing will be bringing in the rest of RKM to help get her event off the ground so we'll work out the schedule soon.

Finally CSLACR can you please give me a heads up on where you are at in regards to sponsoring your event?

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'd like to host an event but my work and travel schedule is so erratic and unpredictable there's no way I could commit to it. But it would be a great idea for someone else 👍

 

[VTiRoj]

Hey Roj you have as much authority around this Zoo as anyone does.

Remember this is an organization of and for all the tuners and test drivers, I just have the fun of trying to keep this thread up to date and a semblance of order to it.

Oh, cool.

 

[ryangt]

I would like some input, from the testers and tuners about my idea for the shoot out. I originally came up with the idea breaking up the event into 3 categories based on price of the car (dont want to give out to much detail yet) and based on that price the car could be taken to a certain pp range. I brought this up to Desperado and he wondered would i allow the tuners to enter in more then one category. I said no just because i dont want to over load the testers assuming we get about 15-20 tuners. But will allow it depending on what i hear from you guys.

The other idea Desperado threw around was expanding the price range of the cars allowed to enter from like 30k-100k. This would allow only one category. I am trying to make this as easy for everyone testers and tuners to have enough time to test the cars and post times. Please any feed back would be great this is the last detail i am working on for my shootout.

 

[CSLACR]

Finally CSLACR can you please give me a heads up on where you are at in regards to sponsoring your event?

Pretty well ready to go, times been limited so I've lost a bit of track where everything is at right now.

If it's clear I can start it up whenever though.

 

[DaDog]

I would like some input, from the testers and tuners about my idea for the shoot out. I originally came up with the idea breaking up the event into 3 categories based on price of the car (dont want to give out to much detail yet) and based on that price the car could be taken to a certain pp range. I brought this up to Desperado and he wondered would i allow the tuners to enter in more then one category. I said no just because i dont want to over load the testers assuming we get about 15-20 tuners. But will allow it depending on what i hear from you guys.

the idea behind you're setup sounds like fun , sadly we have limited options in gt5 to put a pricecap on a certain car .... for example a couple of thousand miles extra on a car would set the car a lot cheaper at the UCD ( this is how i have excperienced it tho i might be wrong ) meaning it would be based on luck as for who finds what .

If you got for example 400-500-600 pp classes you might end up with lets say 15 tuners and 12 of them chosing 500 pp leaving 3 divided in 2 other groups .

What you could do for example is , make it a standerd car event only with PP limitations , maybe even a buildyear limitation .
this way you might see a more diverse entryfield .


i will re-read this after i had some sleep incase it aint making sence at all .... nightshifts aint really helping

 

[XDesperado67]

the idea behind you're setup sounds like fun , sadly we have limited options in gt5 to put a pricecap on a certain car .... for example a couple of thousand miles extra on a car would set the car a lot cheaper at the UCD ( this is how i have excperienced it tho i might be wrong ) meaning it would be based on luck as for who finds what .

If you got for example 400-500-600 pp classes you might end up with lets say 15 tuners and 12 of them chosing 500 pp leaving 3 divided in 2 other groups .

What you could do for example is , make it a standerd car event only with PP limitations , maybe even a buildyear limitation .
this way you might see a more diverse entryfield .


i will re-read this after i had some sleep incase it aint making sence at all .... nightshifts aint really helping

ryangt was pointed to a listing of all the cars in GT5 that includes the price for 0/0 cars that he plans to use for classing cars according to price, that way people can't gain a performance bennefit from getting a higher mileage car whose price has been reduced to just below the cutoff for a category.👍👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

I would like some input, from the testers and tuners about my idea for the shoot out. I originally came up with the idea breaking up the event into 3 categories based on price of the car (dont want to give out to much detail yet) and based on that price the car could be taken to a certain pp range. I brought this up to Desperado and he wondered would i allow the tuners to enter in more then one category. I said no just because i dont want to over load the testers assuming we get about 15-20 tuners. But will allow it depending on what i hear from you guys.

The other idea Desperado threw around was expanding the price range of the cars allowed to enter from like 30k-100k. This would allow only one category. I am trying to make this as easy for everyone testers and tuners to have enough time to test the cars and post times. Please any feed back would be great this is the last detail i am working on for my shootout.

Sounds good to me. How about adding a working budget limit for tuning? Allow the suspension and transmission upgrades then a limited amount to spend that goes up as the original price tag goes up. I'm just pulling numbers out of the air but let's say in the budget car category you have $20,000 to spend, in the mid category $30,000 and in the top category $40,000. So not only would tuners have the challenge of picking a good car, but also in how to spend a limited amount of money to get the most bang for the buck.

 

[CyKosis1973]

If you got for example 400-500-600 pp classes you might end up with lets say 15 tuners and 12 of them chosing 500 pp leaving 3 divided in 2 other groups.

The best way around this is to put all the tuners into a hat and randomly assign them to a group. Then you'll have an even distribution.

I like the idea of running budget challenges based around PD Seasonal type events. I used to do a similar thing with some mates, but we based the restrictions on weight and power, rather than PP. Drivetrain also decided what restrictions a car would have. For example;

Max Power:
350bhp.
Min Weight:
FWD 1050kg
RWD 1150kg
4WD 1250kg.

Worked very well, produced some close racing and helps to remove some of the erroneous PP issues...

{Cy}

PS - I've still got a big old list that we worked from, if anyone is interested. I can't access it whilst I'm at work, as it's contained in our Facebook Group...

 

[ryangt]

The best way around this is to put all the tuners into a hat and randomly assign them to a group. Then you'll have an even distribution.

CyKosis i like that idea of being drawn from a hat. Also i did not mention but each pp limit would have any where between 5-8 spots open (more or less depending how many people sign up).

 

[Onboy123]

Edited.

Meh…retarded ranting poster is retarded, sorry for taking up this post.

 

[VTiRoj]

The best way around this is to put all the tuners into a hat and randomly assign them to a group. Then you'll have an even distribution.

The only problem I see with this is that some tuners may not agree with what they're given. Personally, I'd rather stay in the lower groups and tune something fun. If I was forced into the top group, I may feel a little discouraged and I probably wouldn't put my best into the tune.

What you could do is simply do it by a "first come, first serve" basis. We're expecting 15-20 people to enter right? Let's say you open 7 slots in each group and if the groups aren't evenly spread at the end of the sign-ups, then whoever were the last to join the most popular group gets shifted to the least popular groups, until it's spread evenly. It's still unfair, but it's unfair to less people I think.

 

[Motor City Hami]

The only problem I see with this is that some tuners may not agree with what they're given. Personally, I'd rather stay in the lower groups and tune something fun. If I was forced into the top group, I may feel a little discouraged and I probably wouldn't put my best into the tune.

What you could do is simply do it by a "first come, first serve" basis. We're expecting 15-20 people to enter right? Let's say you open 7 slots in each group and if the groups aren't evenly spread at the end of the sign-ups, then whoever were the last to join the most popular group gets shifted to the least popular groups, until it's spread evenly. It's still unfair, but it's unfair to less people I think.

The host could have a random set of numbers set up 10, 5, 2, 4, etc. and ask for sign ups. The first tuner to respond gets the first slot; #10 in the above. The second response gets slot #2; 5 in this case. The tuner that "draws" #1 picks his PP level first and so on. That might work?

 

[VTiRoj]

The host could have a random set of numbers set up 10, 5, 2, 4, etc. and ask for sign ups. The first tuner to respond gets the first slot; #10 in the above. The second response gets slot #2; 5 in this case. The tuner that "draws" #1 picks his PP level first and so on. That might work?

That would work, kind of like a raffle.

 

[Onboy123]

That would work, kind of like a raffle.

Though I thought you said that, after the unfortunate car choice from the rally shootout, you wouldn't be participating in one of these 'you have no choice to pick your car' tuning things?

 

[tris_73]

That would work, kind of like a raffle.

More like drawing straws?

Though I thought you said that, after the unfortunate car choice from the rally shootout, you wouldn't be participating in one of these 'you have no choice to pick your car' tuning things?

You'd still get to pick which car you'd want to tune in the PP category you have drawn.

 

[VTiRoj]

Though I thought you said that, after the unfortunate car choice from the rally shootout, you wouldn't be participating in one of these 'you have no choice to pick your car' tuning things?

More like drawing straws?

You'd still get to pick which car you'd want to tune in the PP category you have drawn.

Pretty much what tris said. Every shootout has a limitation you have to follow, whether it be PP, power, weight or drivetrain. As long as I can tackle that limitation with a car of my choosing, then it's all good. 👍

 

[CSLACR]

When is dragonthing running their event?

 

[VTiRoj]

When is dragonthing running their event?

Not a clue, work seems to be taking up a lot of her time these days.

 

[Onboy123]

Not a clue, work seems to be taking up a lot of her time these days.

What is her idea anyway? And off topic, but you has no job yet?

And CSLACR, I wouldn't mind seeing your shootout take place sometime soon.

 

[VTiRoj]

Sponsor's for upcoming events listed in order of announcing intention to Sponsor an event.
Projected dates, Shootout names and details will be added as they become available.

Dragonthing's Luxury Concours D'Elegance (tentative event details not final)

What is her idea anyway? And off topic, but you has no job yet?

Nope. I've had lots of "we'll let you know if we have any openings" and "we'll keep your details if anything comes up", but none of these companies end up calling me back. It doesn't help that the UK is currently having an unemployement crisis either, with millions of teenagers unable to find work because of the recession. I've basically been forced to take the chav route and live off benefits so I can afford to put fuel in my car.