FITT Old Vs. New Hatchback Challenge

[CSLACR]

I really don't think I'm a threat in this one, I've only built half a car so far and I don't think its going to be a competitive pair unless the newer version goes together easily and performs better than expected

No, the little Fiat needs SS, the Fiat's don't stand a chance currently. The newer one is competitive, but nothing to redeem the turd-like 500 F. :/
Did I guess it right?

 

[DolHaus]

No, the little Fiat needs SS, the Fiat's don't stand a chance currently. The newer one is competitive, but nothing to redeem the turd-like 500 F. :/
Did I guess it right?

No not the Fiats, the older one needs power to be competitive but it quickly becomes undriveable as a result, I can usually cope with oversteery cars but that thing snaps around so fast and so often that you just can't catch it. The new one is a good drive but its not going to close the gap

 

[CSLACR]

No not the Fiats, the older one needs power to be competitive but it quickly becomes undriveable as a result, I can usually cope with oversteery cars but that thing snaps around so fast and so often that you just can't catch it. The new one is a good drive but its not going to close the gap

Yeah when the tires break free, it's RR and has a 3 foot wheelbase.
Even with a lucky lap it only breaks around 59, maybe a 58, and everything else gets at least 56's or lower for me.

 

[brian wolf]

Let's review shall we:

Cote d azur is similar to London, on steroids, @Lionheart2113 is back and painted orange, @DolHaus only needs to paint his purple and we are all chasing taillights. Throw in @Otaliema promising a TT tune and a motivated @Motor City Hami and this one is over............
Watch out for the sneaky wolf man tho (@brian wolf )

You`ve checked out my tunes! I`m just hoping for 1 good do or die lap from testers! I think I`m in with a shout at having the fastest VW`s.......
As long as no one else enters them!

PS Testing is underway 👍

 

[shaunm80]

You`ve checked out my tunes! I`m just hoping for 1 good do or die lap from testers! I think I`m in with a shout at having the fastest VW`s.......
As long as no one else enters them!

PS Testing is underway 👍

I like your dedication. definitely looking forward to what you make of all the tunes that have been (and will be) submitted.

 

[brian wolf]

I like your dedication. definitely looking forward to what you make of all the tunes that have been (and will be) submitted.

Cheers. 👍 I`m going to try and test them as they are submitted, so I don`t have a week to go and 36 tunes to test!

@Motor City Hami When you get a minute can you link tunes that are ok to test to the tuners post please

 

[Lionheart2113]

You`ve checked out my tunes! I`m just hoping for 1 good do or die lap from testers! I think I`m in with a shout at having the fastest VW`s.......
As long as no one else enters them!

PS Testing is underway 👍

You have @xande1959 in the VW's as well. I think there is atleast 1 more tuner in them, but there have been changes. I'll be testing, just not officially, so I'll give them some thumb mashing around the track!

 

[brian wolf]

You have @xande1959 in the VW's as well. I think there is atleast 1 more tuner in them, but there have been changes. I'll be testing, just not officially, so I'll give them some thumb mashing around the track!

Oh well, thats that then! Your poor thumbs! 👍

 

[Lionheart2113]

Oh well, thats that then! Your poor thumbs! 👍

You should have asked for me to test your cars first! But like you said, I'm just going to test what is published, so there isn't too many at once. But I was also looking at the Camaro: Car of the Month as well.

 

[brian wolf]

You should have asked for me to test your cars first! But like you said, I'm just going to test what is published, so there isn't too many at once. But I was also looking at the Camaro: Car of the Month as well.

You better test mine last.....it might be the end of old sweaty!

 

[Lionheart2113]

You better test mine last.....it might be the end of old sweaty!

That would be atleast a good reason to take him apart. I've got an idea to give the "X & []" button a little more control.

 

[brian wolf]

That would be atleast a good reason to take him apart. I've got an idea to give the "X & []" button a little more control.

I take it its not practice or dexterity then?

 

[DolHaus]

What kinds of times were people running in the 450pp's?

 

[brian wolf]

What kinds of times were people running in the 450pp's?

Best lap, just into 1:52s. Mostly mid/low 1:53s tho. And 2:00+ when it all goes horribly wrong!

 

[DolHaus]

Best lap, just into 1:52s. Mostly mid/low 1:53s tho. And 2:00+ when it all goes horribly wrong!

Ahh good, I'm in the ball park then 👍

 

[DaBomm4]

I have my times posted in the notes of my tunes, but for the 450pp they are 1:56.5. But that is just my lower skill level showing, most of you guys are consistently a few seconds faster so I think I am close to the ballpark too.

 

[Motor City Hami]

I will link all posted tunes tonight.

As for car selection for me, I am still undecided. Very busy week so only had time to base tune and test drive a bit late at night when I was half asleep.

CRX - love it
CRZ - hate it

80's Civic - can make it work, reminds me of my first race car
'04 Civic - fast but has no personality

Old Mini - love it, but slow
New Mini - absolutely love it, one of my favorite cars in the game

Old VW - love it
New VW - competitive, but lifeless

Old Fiat - may just have to pick just to show that I can tame her. This one will at least end up in my garage. Added weight and added POWER!
New Fiat - have not driven it yet

Focus' - been there, done that, not even going to test them

So what am I going to tune. I need to pick a pair tonight and start fine tuning.

 

[coryclifford]

80's Civic - can make it work, reminds me of my first race car
'04 Civic - fast but has no personality

:tup:

I had to take a break, so I could not get burned out. Gotta lotta cars to drive on here pretty soon, so... I've also really come around on the wheel. Took a few days, but wowsa.

 

[Otaliema]

You better test mine last.....it might be the end of old sweaty!

Mine just might break it too ya know and if @Motor City Hami enters the 500F it's surly done for

:tup:

I had to take a break, so I could not get burned out. Gotta lotta cars to drive on here pretty soon, so... I've also really come around on the wheel. Took a few days, but wowsa.

It only gets better with time on the wheel. Do a brake mod on it sooner then later it makes a huge difference on the feel of the brakes. Much eaiser to control the car with more real resistance on the pedal.

 

[coryclifford]

I go to a friend's house with a G27 and that spring tension is like

 

[DolHaus]

Mine just might break it too ya know and if @Motor City Hami enters the 500F it's surly done for


It only gets better with time on the wheel. Do a brake mod on it sooner then later it makes a huge difference on the feel of the brakes. Much eaiser to control the car with more real resistance on the pedal.

I'm still baffled by the concept of your exit oversteering Mini, the physics just don't make sense in a gran turismo universe

The only way I can think of doing it involves massive rear toe out and locked springs or soft springs that bottom out and bounce the rear loose

 

[CSLACR]

I'm still baffled by the concept of your exit oversteering Mini, the physics just don't make sense in a gran turismo universe

The only way I can think of doing it involves massive rear toe out and locked springs or soft springs that bottom out and bounce the rear loose

I've had a VW Jetta(92) and a Chevy Cavalier(04) both exhibit exit oversteer in the right circumstances, in real life. It is strange indeed, but absolutely possible.

 

[Otaliema]

The only way I can think of doing it involves massive rear toe out and locked springs or soft springs that bottom out and bounce the rear loose

The car is basically undrivable with it happening so it's been more or less tuned out.
To achieve it do the following
Max/Min Ride hight
Min/Max springs, dampers, ARB.
Camber 0.0/1.0
Toe -0.35/-0.70
Ballast 200@50
Weight three windows hood
This will snap the tail around on just about every turn you can hold it most if the time in the sweepers and hair pins but 90 degree turns forget it. So basically the lower half of the track.

 

[DolHaus]

I've had a VW Jetta(92) and a Chevy Cavalier(04) both exhibit exit oversteer in the right circumstances, in real life. It is strange indeed, but absolutely possible.

Yeah I've seen and experienced it in real life, mostly with 80's/90's Peugeots where you can get them loose by either clutch kicking or suddenly releasing the throttle mid corner, you also see it fairly often in the Touring Cars when the rear tyres have gone cold and they put it over the curbs and it'll just snap round.

In GT you don't really get lift off oversteer as the weight transfer isn't aggressive enough to dislodge the tyres, this said I do remember some Japanese guys over in the drifting forum sliding FF cars around quite convincingly so I'd be intrigued to find out how it works

 

[DolHaus]

The car is basically undrivable with it happening so it's been more or less tuned out.
To achieve it do the following
Max/Min Ride hight
Min/Max springs, dampers, ARB.
Camber 0.0/1.0
Toe -0.35/-0.70
Ballast 200@50
Weight three windows hood
This will snap the tail around on just about every turn you can hold it most if the time in the sweepers and hair pins but 90 degree turns forget it. So basically the lower half of the track.

I just found a video that said pretty much the same thing 👍

(Guess who's going to build a FF drift car )

 

[OdeFinn]

In GT you don't really get lift off oversteer as the weight transfer isn't aggressive enough to dislodge the tyres, this said I do remember some Japanese guys over in the drifting forum sliding FF cars around quite convincingly so I'd be intrigued to find out how it works

Try that CRX and loosen rear springs 0.01 or 0.02, and you have fun.

 

[fordracer]

I have my times posted in the notes of my tunes, but for the 450pp they are 1:56.5. But that is just my lower skill level showing, most of you guys are consistently a few seconds faster so I think I am close to the ballpark too.

Don't feel like the lone ranger bub....me too.

 

[Woodski_427]

Still not sure if I'll get time to do the full test, but there'll definitely be a few tasty 'old' morsels to try.

 

[Motor City Hami]

My old car is better than my new car. My new car is faster than the old car, but it is not anywhere near as fun to drive.

 

[CSLACR]

It'd be nice to have an idea what cars more people are going to enter, so we don't have a bunch of the same car. I'm really enjoying the newer Mini Cooper at the moment.

Competition Tune - Ready For Testers - Honda CR-X SiR '90

Honda CR-X SiR '90

185 bhp, 18,5 kgfm, 916 kg, PP 410
Painted in Flint Black Metallic from Honda​

Ready for testers!

"Fix body rigidity"?