FITT Old Vs. New Hatchback Challenge

Which pair of cars is the best looking of the bunch?


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Caravans are never awesome no matter how space age they look. Either man up and take a tent or stump up and get a hotel
It's an RV with a detachable coach. ;)
Camping ya I'll do that over a hotel any day. For a long road trip I'd take an RV over staying at a hotel or motel on daily basis.
 
It's an RV with a detachable coach. ;)
Camping ya I'll do that over a hotel any day. For a long road trip I'd take an RV over staying at a hotel or motel on daily basis.
I go camping about once a week in the spring/summer/autumn. Some rods, a fishing umbrella, a camp bed and a portable stove is where its at :lol:
 
I go camping about once a week in the spring/summer/autumn. Some rods, a fishing umbrella, a camp bed and a portable stove is where its at :lol:
I need to go fishing again. but gotta practice my casting. been 15 years -_-. I prefere fly fishing over anything else.
Nothing quite as satisfying as bringing a 3 lbs rainbow trout on a 0.5 lbs tippet with a 22 nymph while standing waist deep in a river. 👍

edit image below is size reference for a size 22 fly.
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I need to go fishing again. but gotta practice my casting. been 15 years -_-. I prefere fly fishing over anything else.
Nothing quite as satisfying as bringing a 3 lbs rainbow trout on a 0.5 lbs tippet with a 22 nymph while standing waist deep in a river. 👍

edit image below is size reference for a size 22 fly.
5+size+22+fly.JPG
I never really got into fly fishing, its an expensive hobby this side of the pond because all the river and fish are owned by the landed gentry. I learned the basics when I was part timing as a fishing guide but it never really kept my attention, it might have been different if we had the same amount of untamed waters as you've got in the states.
I accidentally landed my personal best carp on a similar size hook, 26 and a half pounds of fury on a light float rod and 3lb line :lol:
 
I never really got into fly fishing, its an expensive hobby this side of the pond because all the river and fish are owned by the landed gentry. I learned the basics when I was part timing as a fishing guide but it never really kept my attention, it might have been different if we had the same amount of untamed waters as you've got in the states.
I accidentally landed my personal best carp on a similar size hook, 26 and a half pounds of fury on a light float rod and 3lb line :lol:
it's amazing how much strain fly line can take ain't it?
I understand the lack of interest lake fly fishing is well boring. No other way to put it. Ocean fly fishing is interesting, the gear is so heavy it's almost not fly fishing anymore.
I really want to go fly fishing for tarpon one of these days. One of the hardest fighting game fish around. Would be epic to land one with a fly rod.
 
it's amazing how much strain fly line can take ain't it?
I understand the lack of interest lake fly fishing is well boring. No other way to put it. Ocean fly fishing is interesting, the gear is so heavy it's almost not fly fishing anymore.
I really want to go fly fishing for tarpon one of these days. One of the hardest fighting game fish around. Would be epic to land one with a fly rod.
Fly fishing for pike has become quite popular in recent years over here, does look quite fun but unfortunately they're rare as hens teeth in my part of the country so I'm unlikely to get the opportunity. I just like catching fish and becoming part of the countryside really, even if the fish aren't biting theres always something to enjoy even if its just the peace and tranquillity. I used to be a nationally rated pro match angler when I was younger but I gave it up because it was ruining the sport for me, fishing under pressure nearly ruined it for me but I think I made the right decision as I'm still enjoying it after 20yrs
 
Thanks for being a test driver and the feedback on my tunes. Nice Job.
FITT Old & New Hatchback Tuner Challenge
All cars have been testet with Driving Force GT Wheel and 10 laps a Cöte d´Azur



Tuner : @cslacer car : Honda Life Step van ´72
Best lap Time : 1:57.674
DC : 9.8

This Little car is so stabel.even with red tyres out of the corners,it´s stays on the line , by hard breaking its stabel.
excelent tune.

Car : Honda Odyssey ´03
Best lap Time : 1:56.169
DC : 8.5

It´s A heayv car . That need much throttle control to advoid understeering, could use some stronger breaks. stability uner hard breaking coul be better.


Tuner : @Dolhause Car : Honda Civic 1500 3door 25i ´83
Best lap Time :1:58.257
DC : 9.2

Quick car with standart turbo, brakes are very good no sliding around under hard braking. Acceleration out of the corners good and fast with a little understeering.


Car : Honda Civic Type R (EP) ´04
Best lap Time : 1:53.991
DC: 8.8

No heavy right foot to drive this to advoid wheelspin out of the turns understeer a little , is fast out turns ,Brakes good Acceleration uphill very good. Nice .


Tuner : @fordracer car: Peugeot 206 S16 ´99
Best lap Time :1:58.265
DC :8.7

A stabel car I do miss a little more speed , braks works fine . gearbox good


Car: Peugeot 207 GTI ´02
Best lap time: 1:54.704
DC: 9

Understeer a little but it´s feel nice to drive around the track,only wish it had a little more speed. but all in all great car.



Tuner : @Motor City Hami Car Golf I GTI ´76
Best lap Time : 1:57.86
DC: 9.5

What it don´t have in speed, it got it in stability very stabel even under heavy acceleration out of corners and by down braking.

Car :Golf V GTI ´05
Best lap Time : 1.53.627
DC : 9.5

Nice acceleration uphill and out of corners with a little understeering but htat can be saved be throttle control. very fast gearbox perfekt to this car on this track .



Tuner : @OdeFinn car : Honda CRX
Best lap time :1:58.040
DC : 7.8

The gearbox for my tast ther was to long between the gears , understeering a little to much

Car : Honda CR-Z ´10
Best lap Time : 1:55.445
DC: 7.5

oversteer alot,and again the gearbox there is to long between the gears It's a shame for the car is pretty fast.


Tuner: @sinof1337 car : Honda Life Step Van ´72
Best lap Time :1:57.846
DC : 9.7

This tune is so close to get maxpoint. It has nearly it all it´s stabel it´s stays where I want it to be the only minus is the speed . But love that tune.

Car Honda odyssey ´03
Best lap Time : 1:56.445
DC : 8

Accleration good , brakes could be better gearbox good , but it´s understeer to much for my tast .


Tuner : @Otaliema Car Mini cooper 1.3i ´98
Best lap time: 1:56.789
DC: 9.5

Understeer/oversteer it does both but it´s very easy to save with throttle control., gearbox nice and fast .
Push it hard and it forgives you.

Car; Mini Cooper S ´11
Best lap Time :1.53.357
DC 9.4

this car screams more than a 100 girls to a One Direction Concert.
And again it understeer and oversteer , but it so esay to get back on track . brakes are great , gearbox fast shift and good speed all over the track .


Tuner: @shaunm80 car: Mini 1.3i ´98
Best lap Time :1:58.227
DC : 9.4

Fun little car.... It has not so much speed but that it compensate for in and out of corners . Brakes really good. hard braking and full throttle out of the turn. WEEEEEEE


car : Mini Cooper S ´11
Best lap Time: 1:53.954
DC: 9.5

Waaauw smoking tyres, this need throttle control but it´s give me a big smile on my old face.
easy to handle , but dont loose focus on the track. great acceleration
 
@CSLACR 's concerns are getting a bit lost in the fly fishing discussion. Since this is my competition, I need to be the adult in the room and straighten out what I can. I did also read the comments in the FITT thread and am taking them under consideration.

@CSLACR if you are dissatisfied with a testers results, you could have asked for a rerun. We have done that in past competitions when a result seemed out of place. If you are still interested in participating after your comments in the FITT thread, let me know, and I will ask the tester to rerun your car. If not, and you are done with FITT, I can remove your tunes and wish you happy racing elsewhere. You are a great tuner and driver so I think FITT is better with you around. Let me know what you would like to do.
 
Ants in the pants, eh? I'll put up a few more. Neither of you two though. Not there yet. It was a VW day.

787bcgr VW GTIs

450pp - 1:54.238 - Good, but not for me. Gearing was close to pretty good. Car was very predictable and consistent. But consistent in a 10 lap stint isn't good to get fast. So I actually did 20 laps in it. But still, a bit slow overall and I never really went marginally faster. I tried short shifting and that got me my faster laps. But just barely. I was always a mid to low 54.x

DC: 7.5

385pp - 1:57.860 - Another good, predictable car, but I have to wait for the front and even then it doesn't rotate enough for me. Only geared to top of 4th? Front toe doesn't make sense to me either. But I figure it'd be pretty good for long stints in the car. Still, pretty good drive.

DC: 7.2

B Wolf VW GTIs

450pp - 1:52.935 - Didn't really care for the 3 speed transmission. I don't like the front compression at 10, it really dulls it down. The car feels a bit heavy and seems to quickly loose grip coming off the brakes and then into mid corner so I found myself turning the wheel more and sooner. Overall though, the car is okay, but still the 3 speed is a little weird. I noted that I had high hopes for this one after driving the '76 GTI first. But found it just okay, relatively.

DC: 6.8

385pp - 1:56.770 - I was like whoa. Nice job here! Very good, but again, 10 front suspension compression kills a lot of the front end feel for me. I guess it's just preference. I think despite the high diff setting it still peels the front inside a bit which I found strange. Didn't really matter much though, the car felt great. I did 3 laps right around 56.8 and most of the other faster ones were right there. I really liked this car.

DC: 9.5

Motor City Hami VW GTIs

450pp - 1:53.117 - I really liked this car. Well done. The transmission is really good but it's weird that I top out 6th gear before the first corner, and coming out of the tunnel. None other have done that yet. Suspension is my style, just calmed down a little. Like it a lot. Brakes are great. The diff setting, 9/54 is pretty weird to me, but it works. I really like the handling and rank this car pretty high.

DC: 9.7

385pp - 1:55.795 - Holy moly. This is a VERY good car for me. Close to perfect. I zoned in, and was slicing tenths off every single lap. Almost. Last lap was fastest, and I know there was more in it. This car is bad ass. I will say that I think there is something just slightly off from perfect in the front end, but I can't be certain but would guess a little suspension tweak would find/fix it. AWESOME car. 👍

DC: 9.9
 
B Wolf VW GTIs

450pp - 1:52.935 - Didn't really care for the 3 speed transmission. I don't like the front compression at 10, it really dulls it down. The car feels a bit heavy and seems to quickly loose grip coming off the brakes and then into mid corner so I found myself turning the wheel more and sooner. Overall though, the car is okay, but still the 3 speed is a little weird. I noted that I had high hopes for this one after driving the '76 GTI first. But found it just okay, relatively.

DC: 6.8

385pp - 1:56.770 - I was like whoa. Nice job here! Very good, but again, 10 front suspension compression kills a lot of the front end feel for me. I guess it's just preference. I think despite the high diff setting it still peels the front inside a bit which I found strange. Didn't really matter much though, the car felt great. I did 3 laps right around 56.8 and most of the other faster ones were right there. I really liked this car.

DC: 9.5
No love for the 3 speed?! :lol: I thought I`d try something different to help reduce the wheelspin. Glad you liked the old one, and some great times there! Well done and thanks for the feedback. :cheers:👍
 
FITT Old & New Hatchback Tuner Challenge
All cars have been testet with Driving Force GT Wheel and 10 laps a Cöte d´Azur


Tuner : @brian wolf car Golf I GTI ´76

Best lap time : 1:56.982
DC : 9.4

Uhhh me like!!! Only thing I miss it that it was a little faster.. It´s very stabel, even under acceleration out of the corners breaks and gears perfekt to this car

Colf V GTI ´05
Best lap time : 1:54.509
DC 8.5
unersteer to much for my tast (I´m a Old man) gearbox could be better but it´s about tast
the breaks weeeee they o there job


Tuner : @Slender_Man car ford focus st 170 ´03
Best lap time : 1:58.664
DC 8.4
not so much to say on this tune it could need a little more speed . gearbox works fine .suspention are good
nice to drive.

Car Ford focus ST ´13
Best lap time 1:55.721
DC 7.8

it´s feels like it miss grib on the tarmac,and a little better breaks.
gearbox quit fine .


Tuner : @krenkme car Honda life step van ´72
best lap time : 1:57,651
DC 9

Not fast thats we know but stable with a little understeering gearbox and breaks are nice

Car Honda Odyessey ´03
best lap time 1.58.441
DC 7.5

have a struggle with this one , feel it´s have no grib and slides around ( Like Bambi On Ice)
Breaks maybe a little stronger and the gearbox a little faster gearshift .
But a fun car to drive around the track


Tuner @787bcgr car Golf I GTI ´76
Best lap time : 1.58.313
DC 7.8

A little better handling, by hard breaking its like to come out with it tail . acceleration uphill could have be a little faster.

car Golf V GTI 05
Best lap time 1:54.019
DC : 9.3

Nice tune , fast nearly stabel are very happy to make wheelspin out of the corners throttle control is a must breaks works realy good gearbox nice and fast .


Tuner @Bowtie-muscle car honda Civic 1500 3door 25i ´83
best lap time : 1:58.313
DC 8

I feel the handling could be a ittle smoother, understeer and the back end of the car likes to try to over take the car by hard breaking.


Car Honda Type (EP) ´04
Best lap time 1:52.895
DC 9.8

very good acceleration little understeering. breaks works realy fine. and the gearbox Are (after my opinon) spot on .



Like to say Thanks to all you there have made tunes for us to enjoy
Keep up the good work

 
FITT Old & New Hatchback Tuner Challenge
All cars have been testet with Driving Force GT Wheel and 10 laps a Cöte d´Azur


Tuner : @brian wolf car Golf I GTI ´76

Best lap time : 1:56.982
DC : 9.4

Uhhh me like!!! Only thing I miss it that it was a little faster.. It´s very stabel, even under acceleration out of the corners breaks and gears perfekt to this car

Colf V GTI ´05
Best lap time : 1:54.509
DC 8.5
unersteer to much for my tast (I´m a Old man) gearbox could be better but it´s about tast
the breaks weeeee they o there job


Tuner : @Slender_Man car ford focus st 170 ´03
Best lap time : 1:58.664
DC 8.4
not so much to say on this tune it could need a little more speed . gearbox works fine .suspention are good
nice to drive.

Car Ford focus ST ´13
Best lap time 1:55.721
DC 7.8

it´s feels like it miss grib on the tarmac,and a little better breaks.
gearbox quit fine .


Tuner : @krenkme car Honda life step van ´72
best lap time : 1:57,651
DC 9

Not fast thats we know but stable with a little understeering gearbox and breaks are nice

Car Honda Odyessey ´03
best lap time 1.58.441
DC 7.5

have a struggle with this one , feel it´s have no grib and slides around ( Like Bambi On Ice)
Breaks maybe a little stronger and the gearbox a little faster gearshift .
But a fun car to drive around the track


Tuner @787bcgr car Golf I GTI ´76
Best lap time : 1.58.313
DC 7.8

A little better handling, by hard breaking its like to come out with it tail . acceleration uphill could have be a little faster.

car Golf V GTI 05
Best lap time 1:54.019
DC : 9.3

Nice tune , fast nearly stabel are very happy to make wheelspin out of the corners throttle control is a must breaks works realy good gearbox nice and fast .


Tuner @Bowtie-muscle car honda Civic 1500 3door 25i ´83
best lap time : 1:58.313
DC 8

I feel the handling could be a ittle smoother, understeer and the back end of the car likes to try to over take the car by hard breaking.


Car Honda Type (EP) ´04
Best lap time 1:52.895
DC 9.8

very good acceleration little understeering. breaks works realy fine. and the gearbox Are (after my opinon) spot on .



Like to say Thanks to all you there have made tunes for us to enjoy
Keep up the good work
Thank you for all the time and effort you put in testing :D. My older Civic was not all that good and I know it, but you got a really got lap with the newer. :drool:

I appreciate the feedback, thanks again 👍
 
FITT Old & New Hatchback Tuner Challenge
All cars have been testet with Driving Force GT Wheel and 10 laps a Cöte d´Azur

Tuner : @
DaBomm4 Car : Ford Focus ST170 ´03 Tyres CS
Best lap Time : 1:59.090
DC : 9

After the 2nd lap, the car began to behave better, the tyres got more grib. It got a good Aceleration out of the turns but it have a little understeering, breaks are fine but easy on the breaks. Gearbox is perfect to this track.

Car : Ford Focus ST ´13 Tyres CS
Best lap Time : 1:55.721
DC : 9

Fast car, breaks very good. This car need throttle control otherwise wheelspin and red tyres but it handles well, gerabox could be a little faster but it´s doing the job.


Tuner : @Lionheart2113Car : Honda CRX
Best lap Time : 1:58.163
DC : 8

Fun car if you like wheelspin, it´s likes to understeer out of the corners need light foot out of corners, breaks could be much better.

Car : Honda CR-Z
Best lap Time : 1:54.596
DC : 7.5

This need throttle control, or its understeer alot out of the corners. breaks need to be changes . yes it´s fast but very unstable. gearbox are for my tast to close.



Tuner : @coryclifford Car : Honda Civic 1500 3door 25i ´83
Best lap Time : 1:58.476
DC : 8.5

Nice tune , a little understeering ,under hard breaking it come out with the tail. good gearbox

Car : Honda Type R (EP) ´04 Best lap time : 1:54.877
DC : 9.8

The breaks those I didn´t like , but the rest works really good.


Tuner : @cslacer car : Honda Life Step van ´72
Best lap Time : 1:57.674
DC : 9.8

This Little car is so stabel.even with red tyres out of the corners,it´s stays on the line , by hard breaking its stabel.
excelent tune.

Car : Honda Odyssey ´03
Best lap Time : 1:56.169
DC : 8.5

It´s A heayv car . That need much throttle control to advoid understeering, could use some stronger breaks. stability uner hard breaking coul be better.


Tuner : @DolhauseCar : Honda Civic 1500 3door 25i ´83
Best lap Time :1:58.257
DC : 9.2

Quick car with standart turbo, brakes are very good no sliding around under hard braking. Acceleration out of the corners good and fast with a little understeering.


Car : Honda Civic Type R (EP) ´04
Best lap Time : 1:53.991
DC: 8.8

No heavy right foot to drive this to advoid wheelspin out of the turns understeer a little , is fast out turns ,Brakes good Acceleration uphill very good. Nice .


Tuner : @fordracer car: Peugeot 206 S16 ´99
Best lap Time :1:58.265
DC :8.7

A stabel car I do miss a little more speed , braks works fine . gearbox good


Car: Peugeot 207 GTI ´02
Best lap time: 1:54.704
DC: 9

Understeer a little but it´s feel nice to drive around the track,only wish it had a little more speed. but all in all great car.



Tuner : @Motor City Hami Car Golf I GTI ´76
Best lap Time : 1:57.86
DC: 9.5

What it don´t have in speed, it got it in stability very stabel even under heavy acceleration out of corners and by down braking.

Car :Golf V GTI ´05
Best lap Time : 1.53.627
DC : 9.5

Nice acceleration uphill and out of corners with a little understeering but htat can be saved be throttle control. very fast gearbox perfekt to this car on this track .



Tuner :@OdeFinncar : Honda CRX
Best lap time :1:58.040
DC : 7.8

The gearbox for my tast ther was to long between the gears , understeering a little to much

Car : Honda CR-Z ´10
Best lap Time : 1:55.445
DC: 7.5

oversteer alot,and again the gearbox there is to long between the gears It's a shame for the car is pretty fast.


Tuner:@sinof1337car : Honda Life Step Van ´72
Best lap Time :1:57.846
DC : 9.7

This tune is so close to get maxpoint. It has nearly it all it´s stabel it´s stays where I want it to be the only minus is the speed . But love that tune.

Car Honda odyssey ´03
Best lap Time : 1:56.445
DC : 8

Accleration good , brakes could be better gearbox good , but it´s understeer to much for my tast .


Tuner :@OtaliemaCar Mini cooper 1.3i ´98
Best lap time: 1:56.789
DC: 9.5

Understeer/oversteer it does both but it´s very easy to save with throttle control., gearbox nice and fast .
Push it hard and it forgives you.

Car; Mini Cooper S ´11
Best lap Time :1.53.357
DC 9.4

this car screams more than a 100 girls to a One Direction Concert.
And again it understeer and oversteer , but it so esay to get back on track . brakes are great , gearbox fast shift and good speed all over the track .


Tuner: @shaunm80car: Mini 1.3i ´98
Best lap Time :1:58.227
DC : 9.4

Fun little car.... It has not so much speed but that it compensate for in and out of corners . Brakes really good. hard braking and full throttle out of the turn. WEEEEEEE


car : Mini Cooper S ´11
Best lap Time: 1:53.954
DC: 9.5

Waaauw smoking tyres, this need throttle control but it´s give me a big smile on my old face.
easy to handle , but dont loose focus on the track. great acceleration

Tuner : @brian wolf car Golf I GTI ´76
Best lap time : 1:56.982
DC : 9.4

Uhhh me like!!! Only thing I miss it that it was a little faster.. It´s very stabel, even under acceleration out of the corners breaks and gears perfekt to this car

Colf V GTI ´05
Best lap time : 1:54.509
DC 8.5
unersteer to much for my tast (I´m a Old man) gearbox could be better but it´s about tast
the breaks weeeee they o there job


Tuner : @Slender_Man car ford focus st 170 ´03
Best lap time : 1:58.664
DC 8.4
not so much to say on this tune it could need a little more speed . gearbox works fine .suspention are good
nice to drive.

Car Ford focus ST ´13
Best lap time 1:55.721
DC 7.8

it´s feels like it miss grib on the tarmac,and a little better breaks.
gearbox quit fine .


Tuner : @krenkme car Honda life step van ´72
best lap time : 1:57,651
DC 9

Not fast thats we know but stable with a little understeering gearbox and breaks are nice

Car Honda Odyessey ´03
best lap time 1.58.441
DC 7.5

have a struggle with this one , feel it´s have no grib and slides around ( Like Bambi On Ice)
Breaks maybe a little stronger and the gearbox a little faster gearshift .
But a fun car to drive around the track


Tuner @787bcgr car Golf I GTI ´76
Best lap time : 1.58.313
DC 7.8

A little better handling, by hard breaking its like to come out with it tail . acceleration uphill could have be a little faster.

car Golf V GTI 05
Best lap time 1:54.019
DC : 9.3

Nice tune , fast nearly stabel are very happy to make wheelspin out of the corners throttle control is a must breaks works realy good gearbox nice and fast .


Tuner @Bowtie-muscle car honda Civic 1500 3door 25i ´83
best lap time : 1:58.313
DC 8

I feel the handling could be a ittle smoother, understeer and the back end of the car likes to try to over take the car by hard breaking.


Car Honda Type (EP) ´04
Best lap time 1:52.895
DC 9.8

very good acceleration little understeering. breaks works realy fine. and the gearbox Are (after my opinon) spot on


.Fiat 500 F ´65

tuner @feydrautha
Best lap time : 2:04.010
DC : 8

A little fun car to drive around the track it´s sounds like there is a V8 engine in it but there aint.
handles very good if you are very carefull with the throttle and the breaks to hard on the throttle the you will die it´s spins you around right a way .. was fun to push hard ..


Fiat 500 1.2 8v Lounge SS ´08
Best ap time : 1:55-984
DC: 8-9

Fast car good accleration breaks fine handling could have been a little better but works Ok.





Like to say Thanks to all you there have made tunes for us to enjoy
Keep up the good work
 
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