Fix megane or this game will become pointles and boring very soon.

[RacingManiac]

I think after the most recent BoP the leaderboards are showing that FF cars are no longer the must-have. I still think PD's approach to this is wrong though. GR4 cars have way too much grip for their power and they basically slow down the FF cars to let the other compete, when I'd think it might be better to speed up the others. Frankly I like driving the FF cars more just because throttle modulation actually do something vs on most RWD car where they just don't have a whole lot of power for their grip level.

Ran the Suzuka race yesterday in the TT(started 3rd on a 2:09.0)and the front tire wear basically dictates I need to pit. I think without screwing up my first 2 laps I might have a chance to fight for the win but as it was I ended up 3rd behind M4s who managed their pace without pitting I think. But I thought that was a interestingly balanced race.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Been talking about this with @Sean Renon on one of my recent videos and I see he was posting here too. IMO the BoP for the Megane is perfectly fine as it is now, it's not the fastest car at most tracks and the only thing it's got going for it is that it's more stable than the RWDs which helps with consistency and not crashing in a race, and it's lighter which can help with cornering speeds and braking. Even at a track like Bathurst which is probably one the Meganes better tracks it's still doesn't have a clear advantage over the M4 or Vantage in pace, but it was a lot easier to do a lap with due to it's stability in the downhill esses. The Megane isn't even really the fastest FF car anymore, the Audi TT is better at a lot of tracks and has all the same advantages with slightly better traction and maybe slightly less straight line speed (not sure). You also have to factor in tyre wear as the FF cars eat through their tyres, so for the longer endurance races they're pretty much useless. Laps are below for Vantage and Megane at Bathurst if you want to compare the two.

 

[Sean Renon]

I think after the most recent BoP the leaderboards are showing that FF cars are no longer the must-have. I still think PD's approach to this is wrong though. GR4 cars have way too much grip for their power and they basically slow down the FF cars to let the other compete, when I'd think it might be better to speed up the others. Frankly I like driving the FF cars more just because throttle modulation actually do something vs on most RWD car where they just don't have a whole lot of power for their grip level.

Ran the Suzuka race yesterday in the TT(started 3rd on a 2:09.0)and the front tire wear basically dictates I need to pit. I think without screwing up my first 2 laps I might have a chance to fight for the win but as it was I ended up 3rd behind M4s who managed their pace without pitting I think. But I thought that was a interestingly balanced race.

As somebody who drove the M4 around Suzuka (low 2.09 qualifying, consistent 2.10 race pace). You can't run fuel map 1 and not pit, also around the end of the 4th lap your tire wear is significant enough that it made me want to pit and take new tires. I could see not taking tires, but by the end of the 8th lap you'd definitely have to be driving slower overall to accommodate the reduced grip.

I could definitely see the M4's not pitting if they were running a lower fuel map, I haven't tested it, though there was another M4 in my lobby who went no pit (originally started 5th) and I passed him at the start of the last lap (he held on to finish 2nd though).
So it probably is possible to conserve enough fuel to run the entire race without fueling, but you'll be running fuel map 2 or 3 - or maybe run the first 4 laps at 1 until your opponents pit and then run fuel map 5? There are definitely different strategies, granted I didn't test any other strategies than a halfway pit, new tires and fuel map 1 the whole time.

Regarding the Megane @Spurgy 777 I agree with your assessment that it definitely isn't the must have for every track now - unfortunately for the lower skilled drivers they're still going to be plagued by Megane's though as they're significantly easier to drive fast than anything RWD.
In all, I think I'm OK with where the Megane/Audi are (I think the RCZ is still really slow though) and I'm happy with the balance we've achieved - although the M4 might need to be tuned down a tad.

 

[RacingManiac]

I think they were definitely running lower power map The Pole sitting M4 qualified on 2:08.2 and he didn't really pull away in the beginning more than I was was dropping back because bad start and squabbling for position. I made up 12 sec after pit stop on lap 4 and running 2:10s. So they weren't driving as fast as they could but they definitely stretched their fuel and tire out.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Regarding the Megane @Spurgy 777 I agree with your assessment that it definitely isn't the must have for every track now - unfortunately for the lower skilled drivers they're still going to be plagued by Megane's though as they're significantly easier to drive fast than anything RWD.
In all, I think I'm OK with where the Megane/Audi are (I think the RCZ is still really slow though) and I'm happy with the balance we've achieved - although the M4 might need to be tuned down a tad.

I always say that the further from the top of the leaderboards you are the less important the ultimate pace of the car is and that it's a lot more down to personal preference and what you're least likely to crash in, so that makes complete sense.

 

[Sean Renon]

I think they were definitely running lower power map The Pole sitting M4 qualified on 2:08.2 and he didn't really pull away in the beginning more than I was was dropping back because bad start and squabbling for position. I made up 12 sec after pit stop on lap 4 and running 2:10s. So they weren't driving as fast as they could but they definitely stretched their fuel and tire out.

I could see that working, the tires would be thin though, on one of my races I tried to run 5 laps instead of 4 before pitting as I was in traffic and hoped to get a clean 5th lap with no traffic - I almost flew off the track a couple times where my tires weren't gripped like they should. Ultimately I ended up losing out on a position as my tires didn't have enough life in them to run a hot lap.

However, the M4 definitely balances the life on it's tires much better than the FWD cars - and if I was to do a loooooong endurance race I'd much prefer the M4.

 

[RacingManiac]

Yeah I can see that. I also notice that I was much better on my tire wear when I just basically running by myself after the pitstop instead of trying to defend in the first half. I was pretty surprised by the lack of drop off on the time when I am just working on hitting my mark running by myself.

 

[BSDShoes]

Yeah I can see that. I also notice that I was much better on my tire wear when I just basically running by myself after the pitstop instead of trying to defend in the first half. I was pretty surprised by the lack of drop off on the time when I am just working on hitting my mark running by myself.

Oh yes, I did just a tire change with no fuel on Suzuka with the TT Cup and I was shredding my tires like crazy, some of the corners are hard on the FF's.

 

[Voodoovaj]

You mean the 911 RSR. That thing is the king of Gr.3 right now.

This is totally blown out of proportion. There has yet to be a top 10 that has been dominated by the 911 (that I have seen) and it isn't the must have car for a win. I still haven't scored a win with my 911 but I have wins with the GTR, Suburu, Jag, and Aston.

When the Megane was over powered, it was Megane or nothing.

 

[eran0004]

Hi. This subject was probably taljed about already thousand times.

Hi, and yes it was.

Can someone explain to me how is it possible for renault megane to overtake on straight line cars like: Viper, bmw m4, nissan gtr?

Better power-to-weight ratio.

Why polyphony hasnt nerfed this bs yet?

They have. And they will keep adjusting the BOP.

I don't care if someone overtakes me because he is driving better. I can appreciate skill.
But when gtr is being overtaken by this joke...honestly fun from this game just dissapears.

You are not racing the stock road cars. These cars have all had their performance changed to fit the group 4 class, and that includes limiting the power output.

I raced today for maybe 5h. I think 80%of those races were won by renault.
Please people tell me I'm right and it's the car not my driving haha.

I haven't seen your driving, so I can't comment on it. Your observation could be explained by the Megane being that good, or the Megane being that popular, or - most likely - a combination of both.

 

[Jamie Bbbbb]

This is totally blown out of proportion. There has yet to be a top 10 that has been dominated by the 911 (that I have seen) and it isn't the must have car for a win. I still haven't scored a win with my 911 but I have wins with the GTR, Suburu, Jag, and Aston.

When the Megane was over powered, it was Megane or nothing.

Look closely next time there's Gr.3 at Nurburgring...

 

[Voodoovaj]

Look closely next time there's Gr.3 at Nurburgring...

People choosing the car at one track and it being imbalanced overall are two completely separate things.

BTW, my best time at Nurburgring GP was set in the Z4, second was the R8. The RSR is not the must have car to win. Is it a good car that people like to drive? Sure. Is it the be all and end all like the Megane was? Not even close. The Megane was the go to car for all tracks and all circumstances.

Hey, if you like it and want to use it, more power to you, but if you're choosing it because it means the difference between being a front runner or a back marker, then you are going to be really upset when the other cars finish ahead of you.

I'm currently teetering between DR A and B. It fluctuates depending on the matchmaking. I had five Gr3 wins over the weekend and none of them were in the 911 (Aston, Jag, Corvette, M6 twice).

 

[PSN:And-War]

What is the overall best Car in each Class, has anyone put out a like Gr4: Megane Gr3 ??? N500:??? N600? just wondered if a list had already been made.

 

[Sean Renon]

What is the overall best Car in each Class, has anyone put out a like Gr4: Megane Gr3 ??? N500:??? N600? just wondered if a list had already been made.

There isn't such thing.

 

[Stotty]

As somebody who drove the M4 around Suzuka (low 2.09 qualifying, consistent 2.10 race pace). You can't run fuel map 1 and not pit, also around the end of the 4th lap your tire wear is significant enough that it made me want to pit and take new tires. I could see not taking tires, but by the end of the 8th lap you'd definitely have to be driving slower overall to accommodate the reduced grip.

I could definitely see the M4's not pitting if they were running a lower fuel map, I haven't tested it, though there was another M4 in my lobby who went no pit (originally started 5th) and I passed him at the start of the last lap (he held on to finish 2nd though).
So it probably is possible to conserve enough fuel to run the entire race without fueling, but you'll be running fuel map 2 or 3 - or maybe run the first 4 laps at 1 until your opponents pit and then run fuel map 5? There are definitely different strategies, granted I didn't test any other strategies than a halfway pit, new tires and fuel map 1 the whole time.

The M4 would do the Suzuka 8 lapper easily without pitting - I had a 2'07.6xx in qualifying (around 0.5 off the top time) and could run 2'09's in the early laps, gradually increasing to mid 2'11's as the tyres went off... I'm a relatively smooth driver, and my tyres only got really tricky on the last lap.

For me, the base strategy was to use map 1 all the way from the exit of the hairpin, switching to map 6 just before braking for turn 1 (you don't really need the extra power through the Esses, Dunlop or the 2 Degners). Then use map 6 from there until braking for the hairpin... fuel map 2 for the entire race also worked, but left you vulnerable to getting passed on the 2 long straights.

If running in traffic, I would drop to map 3 in the draft on the straights if I thought I had no opportunity to pass... which saved fuel to use between Dunlop and the Hairpin to defend against a pass if someone was following closely.

In my 8 races, no one in the top half of the field pitted (all drivers were DRS/A SRS)... best lap time I saw from a non pitting M4 was a mid 2'08.

I don't think it was possible for anyone pitting to beat a well driven non-pitting M4.

 

[thestig911]

Agree. Getting a bit bored racing fields of Meganes and Sciroccos.

 

[HellzFire]

The Megane festival is no more. #RIPMEGANE

On group 4 the only car that's op at the moment is the M4. Put some weight on the car and we are good to go on this group.

On group 3 the 911s need more weight too. It's really op.

 

[GT6mebe]

You mean the 911 RSR. That thing is the king of Gr.3 right now.

I don't think so but its definitely the most popular car. Its a combination of having the best handling and looking great. Downsides are it can be twitchy and easy to spin out.

 

[Spurgy 777]

The Megane festival is no more. #RIPMEGANE

On group 4 the only car that's op at the moment is the M4. Put some weight on the car and we are good to go on this group.

On group 3 the 911s need more weight too. It's really op.

I'd disagree on both of those being OP as well, maybe fastest but at most tracks there are Gr4 cars that can compete with the M4 or even beat it and I would say the Porsche is probably the best Gr3 but not miles ahead of the others, most tracks the M6 is pretty capable of matching it (and easily beat it with fuel use/tyre wear) and there are plenty of other cars that aren't far off.

I had a 2'07.6xx in qualifying (around 0.5 off the top time)

Until TRL_LIGHTNING came along with a 2:06.4.

 

[BSDShoes]

Speaking of BoP balance, the McLarens desperately needs a buff, the Gr3 is OK and I can get within 1.5s of fastest cars though it gets the snot beaten on straights, but the Gr4 is rather slow and doesn't corner well and can't seem to get within 3s lap time of other cars I've driven.

I'm not particularly a fan of the M4, it's definitely a very fast car but I seem to be able to keep up with it using the Mustang or TT Cup.

 

[PrinceAsh7]

feels like someone got butt hurt...

 

[Seikenfreak]

Think I talked about Gr4 on the previous page already. My opinion hasn't really changed: Overall Gr4 seems relatively good. M4 is just so nice to drive because of the setup. It feels so neutral and I can comfortably drive it. I did another FIA race with the 458 yesterday and while the car feels about as fast, it's just a little more hectic to drive. Specifically the brakes were an issue. Felt like it would lock up and understeer w/ heavy braking, even with rear bias, but with more front bias it doesn't want to turn-in at all. The car requires me to be very smooth, gentle, and slow on the brakes which in turn makes me lose time, particularly when running close with people. I have to be extra cautious and leave a bigger margin of safety for when the car doesn't stop like I'd want it to. The Mclaren Gr4 does feel a tad slow/heavy. Hot tip: Short shift the car a bit. It seems to generate more low end TQ and you can watch your rate of acceleration fall off around 75% of the rev bar.

And I agree that the 911 RSR Gr3 doesn't seem overpowered compared to the other cars. I did a bunch of the Gr3 Interlagos race yesterday. My big takeaway from these races is that a large chunk of cars (MR?) are next to impossible to drive. Any of the FR Gr3 cars I drove were perfectly usable. The 911 is in the same situation as the M4, it's just a super good baseline setup. Very neutral.

Someone mentioned Nurburgring and a real issue I have with a bunch of these tracks are how you need to jump curbs/chicanes to get the fastest times, and any car that has a very good stable setup is going to do this much more easily. I think they need to tighten up the penalty zones for some of these corners.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Agree. Getting a bit bored racing fields of Meganes and Sciroccos.

When did you race last? I haven't seen a field of Meganes and Sciroccos in weeks.

 

[BSDShoes]

When did you race last? I haven't seen a field of Meganes and Sciroccos in weeks.

I have, this was back on Sunday with the Gr4 Bathurst race

And I agree that the 911 RSR Gr3 doesn't seem overpowered compared to the other cars. I did a bunch of the Gr3 Interlagos race yesterday. My big takeaway from these races is that a large chunk of cars (MR?) are next to impossible to drive. Any of the FR Gr3 cars I drove were perfectly usable. The 911 is in the same situation as the M4, it's just a super good baseline setup. Very neutral.

Last night I did 3 race C races and the field had a huge mix of different cars but guess which car was in first place in each race?

The M4 definitely is fast, but doesn't seem to suit my driving style, my fastest time lap on Suzuka wasn't with the M4, I couldn't get within 1s of my fastest lap time with it.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I have, this was back on Sunday with the Gr4 Bathurst race

I think it's because of the driver mix (DR and SR ratings). The Scirocco can do a no stopper there, but it's not the fastest. The Megane is good, but the M4 is better. Keep in mind, as you go lower in driver ranking, it's less likely that people are driving correctly and they are trying to find a way to compensate, so with the Megane's straight line speed (which is no longer what it once was) makes up for screwing up the mountain section.

I used the GTR there are did very well.

The M4 definitely is fast, but doesn't seem to suit my driving style, my fastest time lap on Suzuka wasn't with the M4, I couldn't get within 1s of my fastest lap time with it.

Now, seriously no offense meant, but your DR rating is a C which means you are probably WAY off on the braking marker and apexes. Turn on the driving cones in the driving line option. I say it so often that it sound like I'm trying to sell it. Brake at the double cones, then try to hit the apex of the corners and be smooth out to the exit cone. You will gain SECONDS a lap doing this.

Try this. Do a few laps your way on any track you want. Then, turn on the cones and drive how they are indicating. I wager that you'll be surprised by how much better your lap times are.

The Megane's understeer makes it a little harder to hit the apexes. The M4, the GTR, heck even the Mustang are more precise. I bet that if you get the line right, you will be breezing past those Meganes in whatever you want.

 

[Seikenfreak]

@BSDShoes Was it a Viper? Because that's what was winning every race I was in. Your fellow Canadian NZNZNZNZ won every single race I tried on Interlagos and Magiello, somewhat easily I might add. He's a beast. Except for the one where somehow they all crashed up front and I got by.

There is definitely a variety of Gr3 cars on the leaderboard, but the 911 is quite popular. I still think it's just because a lot of people like the handling characteristics.

 

[BSDShoes]

@BSDShoes Was it a Viper? Because that's what was winning every race I was in. Your fellow Canadian NZNZNZNZ won every single race I tried on Interlagos and Magiello, somewhat easily I might add. He's a beast. Except for the one where somehow they all crashed up front and I got by.

There is definitely a variety of Gr3 cars on the leaderboard, but the 911 is quite popular. I still think it's just because a lot of people like the handling characteristics.

I recognize that driver... yep he's fast, and no it was the 911.

I think it's because of the driver mix (DR and SR ratings). The Scirocco can do a no stopper there, but it's not the fastest. The Megane is good, but the M4 is better. Keep in mind, as you go lower in driver ranking, it's less likely that people are driving correctly and they are trying to find a way to compensate, so with the Megane's straight line speed (which is no longer what it once was) makes up for screwing up the mountain section.

I used the GTR there are did very well.



Now, seriously no offense meant, but your DR rating is a C which means you are probably WAY off on the braking marker and apexes. Turn on the driving cones in the driving line option. I say it so often that it sound like I'm trying to sell it. Brake at the double cones, then try to hit the apex of the corners and be smooth out to the exit cone. You will gain SECONDS a lap doing this.

Try this. Do a few laps your way on any track you want. Then, turn on the cones and drive how they are indicating. I wager that you'll be surprised by how much better your lap times are.

The Megane's understeer makes it a little harder to hit the apexes. The M4, the GTR, heck even the Mustang are more precise. I bet that if you get the line right, you will be breezing past those Meganes in whatever you want.

I often get top 5 but getting mixed with A and B's it's harder to get top 5 lately but finished 2nd yesterday on Suzuka anyways.

The M4 feels like it wants to keep going forward when slowing down as if it's a FF car, still need to toy with brake bias (since I often put negative bias on FR cars for better weight transfer into corners). The M6 sorta feels the same way but the M6 wants to spin out at any moment. All the while i have no trouble driving other fast cars FR like the C7, Z4, SLS AMG, Viper, etc.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I often get top 5 but getting mixed with A and B's it's harder to get top 5 lately. The M4 feels like it wants to keep going forward when slowing down as if it's a FF car, still need to toy with brake bias (since I often put negative bias on FR cars for better weight transfer into corners). The M6 sorta feels the same way but the M6 wants to spin out at any moment.

There's only a handful of cars that benefit from -1 braking (in my experience, mind you). Since the ABS does lock you up a bit at the limit, adding more bias to the front makes it a little worse. If you find you are going wide in braking, then stay at zero or try +1. I find +1 helps on a lot of the cars.

But seriously...cones....try it.

 

[BSDShoes]

But seriously...cones....try it.

I know how to use the cones.

 

[AeonGaiden]

I haven't played GTS for about a week. Today I chose the Megane as default because I knew everyone else would pick it. I think they finally fixed it because only 2 of us actually had the car and now I can not catch up to a Ferrari or viper or a lambo on a straight anymore. Whatever they did, Id say it worked.