Flawed?

[Bogie 19th]

I've been lurking over at the FM.net forums for the past few weeks and I've noticed that there are a lot of complaints about the game over there.

I too lurk there and I have seen the complaints, and there are too many issues with this game. However, that is my findings this entire generation of gaming. I have had just as many issues with every single game I have bought this gen. It's sickening.

Whether it be the excessive (and very much unnecessary) lag during loading vinyls and pictures

I haven't experienced this ever.

the stuttering during the ghost saves after a race

Nor I have ever had this issue.

to the very much sub-par interior design

Interiors of some cars look awesome, and interiors of some cars look down right pathetic. Sign of rushing a game to me for sure.

with inoperable dashboard clusters.

That pisses me off too. Granted, it's not many, but it shows that the game was indeed rushed.

Some are considering FM3 to be either a big patch for FM2, or just FM2.5.

I surely wouldn't go that far. The game is a huge revamp, and easily gets the 3.0 moniker from me. However, it would be in ALPHA quality, not even beta.

The transition doesn't seem significant enough to be considered an entirely new game. Hell, you can even find quite a few that now understand why Polyphony Digital seems to take their sweet ass time with their products. The AWD domination is a big issue and it's annoyed some to the point where they've sold the game.

I have no AWD issues, and I will indeed keep this game. It's still the best racing game I have played this gen.

 

[Terronium-12]

I haven't experienced this ever.



Nor I have ever had this issue.

You will. If you purchase vinyls from the Storefront or make your own, you will. Believe me. As far as the saving of the ghosts go, your filesize might not be large or you might have them turned off altogether. I'll have to check for the latter.

I have no AWD issues, and I will indeed keep this game. It's still the best racing game I have played this gen.

There aren't issues with AWD cars, it's their inevitable domination on every FM3 leaderboard since the beginning of time. Some are starting to call it ForzAWD 3.

 

[Chronos]

Let's see, this is just a list without going into detail...

- Far too aggressive, borderline retarded
- Spend way too much time braking (it seems the AI favors "brake checking" as opposed to solid braking)
- The AI will ram and/or perform the pit maneuver on you because they see nothing but their "racing line".
- The AI has the tendency to align themselves up as borders/obstacles around you (if the track is congested or wide enough) and will proceed to play bumper cars/demolition derby even for the 8th spot on the pole.
- They can crash and/or rollover and continue to race (and finish in a podium position if there's enough time left) as if nothing ever happened.
- There's the tendency to brake when they don't need to whatsoever, again, alluding to "brake checking".

That's all I've got in mind at the moment.

And yet many places say Forza 3 has the best AI in the industry.

I've encountered this early braking and there's many spots where they slow up for no reason, take it easy and make it easy for you lap after lap and other sections they carry good speed. If you're close behind you'll have to get out the way for the early braking.

They seem to bail out often. I was on the speedway (no corners) and the lambo would crash most laps with nothing near but still kept going fine, some kind of bug. Rossi went into the barrier straight away for no reason and actually did wreck the car.

If you use rewind you can get some strange AI maneuvers when you resume.

A lot of the races you and Rossi pull away from the other cars on the first lap which means you're only up against one car and you need an underpowered car to give you a challenge. One car is not impressive.

But really I don't expect much from the AI in games and you have to use a lesser car. We've seen many posters in the GT5 section claiming Forza AI is years ahead of GT but to me it just like any other game but with a hint of Ferrari challenge type aggression. Some games are more aggressive but I just adjust and not really a problem but many hate Ferrari challenge AI.

I notice from the boards people are using overpowered cars for the season play. So what they're doing is a long solo grind with no other car near, which is a flaw in GT and Forza. Even slightly more power will make it easy. You never know what spec (PI) the AI cars are until you start racing and they give you a possibility of using silly upgrades or cars to make it a no contest.

So really for me its a slightly buggy game but no better than others. I read on fm.net that many faults were put forward by the testers but nothing happened.

 

[Bogie 19th]

You will. If you purchase vinyls from the Storefront or make your own, you will. Believe me. As far as the saving of the ghosts go, your filesize might not be large or you might have them turned off altogether. I'll have to check for the latter.

I purchase vinyls and make my own everyday, and never had this issue. Same goes for the ghosts, I don't have them disabled (I want them), and never had that issue either.

There aren't issues with AWD cars, it's their inevitable domination on every FM3 leaderboard since the beginning of time. Some are starting to call it ForzAWD 3.

Ah, well that doesn't bother me at all. I just want to enjoy the sim and make the cars the way I want them. If the leaderboards are trumped by AWD Yugos' with V16s and quad turbo chargers, so be it. Doesn't take away from my appreciation of the game.

 

[Terronium-12]

I purchase vinyls and make my own everyday, and never had this issue. Same goes for the ghosts, I don't have them disabled (I want them), and never had that issue either.

Really? You're one of the lucky ones then.

Ah, well that doesn't bother me at all. I just want to enjoy the sim and make the cars the way I want them. If the leaderboards are trumped by AWD Yugos' with V16s and quad turbo chargers, so be it. Doesn't take away from my appreciation of the game.

Nor should it, it's just a bit asinine and annoying that most of the boards are dominated by Audi's and Datsun 510's, or any other AWD vehicle for that matter.

 

[Tenacious D]

that is my findings this entire generation of gaming. I have had just as many issues with every single game I have bought this gen. It's sickening.

I don't know, I haven't had too many problems with PS3 games. Killzone does have a problem with your teams intelligence level, and I have found a weird bug here and there. Initially, Prologue JP would lock up when leaving some online servers, but that was fixed in a few weeks. You must buy a lot of 360 games.

Another thing about the bots which is irritating is that the car ahead of you makes it his job to slow you down so the others can catch up and try to lurch past you. And then drive recklessly. I think too many idiots on the FM boards wanted more aggressive AI like there was in Forza 1. I used to like Prologue's bots a lot, but now I actually MISS THEM!!

And there's sloppy modeling, with some of the same flaws from Forza 2... maybe even Forza 1!

And I'm growing old waiting for vinyls or photos to load. I have close to 200 of each, and you can't stop making decals if you want to create cars. I'm afraid that the 360 just isn't up to the challenge of handling large files... hope I'm wrong though. If this can't be patched, my whole life will slip away before my eyes!

What is it with Microsoft releasing seriously buggy product? Like... every single freaking Forza has problems. Bad problems, many of which they can't or won't fix. It's like Windoze, the Game or something.

Forza is still cool and addicting, but... good grief, the crud you have to endure with Microsoft stuff...

 

[Chronos]

I purchase vinyls and make my own everyday, and never had this issue. Same goes for the ghosts, I don't have them disabled (I want them), and never had that issue either.

Didn't you say you're playing with the wheel and haven't been bothered to design and take pictures because it means disconnecting? Now you're making stuff everyday.

Anyway. I took a lot of pics and get to a certain number it starts to lag. If you delete some the game frees up.

 

[Dravonic]

And I'm growing old waiting for vinyls or photos to load. I have close to 200 of each, and you can't stop making decals if you want to create cars. I'm afraid that the 360 just isn't up to the challenge of handling large files... hope I'm wrong though. If this can't be patched, my whole life will slip away before my eyes!

What is it with Microsoft releasing seriously buggy product? Like... every single freaking Forza has problems. Bad problems, many of which they can't or won't fix. It's like Windoze, the Game or something.

Forza is still cool and addicting, but... good grief, the crud you have to endure with Microsoft stuff...

I really doubt it's the console's fault. I believe it's just poor code. They must be using a high complexity algorithm to deal with stupid things like vinils and photos. The more things the algorithm has to deal with, the longer it will take in an exponential manner apparently.

I believe Microsoft is to blame more than turn 10. They probably demand unrealistic development time. Even with 300 employees, 2 years is apparently not enough to make such a game.

 

[Bogie 19th]

I don't know, I haven't had too many problems with PS3 games.

I have a ton of issues with PS3 games (and 360 games). Endless. Most of us have, which is why we get numerous patches. KZ2 being one of them.

I'm afraid that the 360 just isn't up to the challenge of handling large files...

The 360 and PS3 are dated consoles with limited power.

What is it with Microsoft releasing seriously buggy product? Like... every single freaking Forza has problems. Bad problems, many of which they can't or won't fix. It's like Windoze, the Game or something.

I see this with every game the gen from Sony and MS. Beta now, patch 5 times later to make useful.

Forza is still cool and addicting, but... good grief, the crud you have to endure with Microsoft stuff...

Agreed. MS and Sony are pumping out buggy crap.

Didn't you say you're playing with the wheel and haven't been bothered to design and take pictures because it means disconnecting? Now you're making stuff everyday.

Well, um yeah, because I love livery, and that is one of the reasons I bought the game. So I am using the controller now when I am doing livery, and then switching to my wheel when racing.

 

[Chronos]

Well, um yeah, because I love livery, and that is one of the reasons I bought the game. So I am using the controller now when I am doing livery, and then switching to my wheel when racing.

You probably need more decals or photos. As soon as I delete to around 120 pics the game loads them up instantly. Get above 130 and it takes a minute to load up. Not sure how many decals you need for the fault. Turn 10 know about the fault and are trying to fix it. There's some more threads about it.

Wonder if TVR_fan has the same fault or is he still only got around a 80-100 photos?

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/3133810.aspx

 

[Bogie 19th]

You probably need more decals or photos. As soon as I delete to around 120 pics the game loads them up instantly. Get above 130 and it takes a minute to load up. Not sure how many decals you need for the fault. Turn 10 know about the fault and are trying to fix it. There's some more threads about it.

Wonder if TVR_fan has the same fault or is he still only got around a 80-100 photos?

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/3133810.aspx

I must not have enough photos then. I am at around 110, but it's fine. However, auction house is always slow to load for me.

 

[Terronium-12]

Does every post over at FM.net have to be validated before it's seen?

 

[Chronos]

Does every post over at FM.net have to be validated before it's seen?

Not that I'm aware. I've posted in various threads and they show up straight away. Unless it's new today?

I have read that many users are now under moderation for questionable comments.

 

[Terronium-12]

I've only posted there twice since I've joined in '07, this of course being that second post.

 

[Bogie 19th]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are moderating more. It seems they are getting more and GT fanatics trolling over there lately. Not sure what people see in trolling on opposing forums. One would think they would rather just play the game they like instead of wasting time baiting.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Needless to say, FM3 is no Gran Turismo.

Too many things missing, that I find make it not even on par with GT4.

Like:

No qualifying
No lineup assortment

No points system for competitive scale other than the rigid PI car class system.
(personally I think this takes away and causes more problems than it adds. It also is too confining, stifling the freedom aspect of races and mods as well as the anticipation factor of what any given lineup may hold)

Personally I don't have a big problem with the AI, other than on Hard (which is what I race on 99% of the time) they appear sometimes to run better than their rating. Occasionally in the first few races I would switch to medium just to get the win without having to buy another car ( as mentioned usually an AWD) when credits weren't that plentiful. Occasionally they will wreck you, but this is pretty rare.

I do agree in the E to A classes there is a AWD or Audi advantage on particularly the shorter or more winding courses where generally the speed of the RWD cannot be employed and the FWD comes up short on both ends. Most of the time I found this could be overcome with the right mods and driving skills.

Also I haven't found the driving physics to be overly forgiving.
Without exception if you attempt to "over-drive" most any car in the game, it will cost you time, and unless the car has very good breaking ability any attempt to "late brake" is going to result in the same or worse you will miss the corner completely. It does vary a little from car to car.
This is a very varied arena in real life and even the same cars can vary greatly on handling with even slight differences in power, wieght, suspension and braking components, setups, tires, and tire pressures. Comparitively speaking I believe FM3 is still a huge improvement over FM2.

 

[Bogie 19th]

And GT is no Forza when you look at everything that is missing in GT compared to Forza. Seems they are both catering to sim racers, but at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Which is why it seems ideal to own both titles if you are a sim fan.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

And GT is no Forza when you look at everything that is missing in GT compared to Forza. Seems they are both catering to sim racers, but at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Which is why it seems ideal to own both titles if you are a sim fan.

I think with the release of GT5 this March (or there abouts) FM3 will not even come close.

However in the meantime, since its sorta the only racing game in town, I am enjoying playing it even so.

 

[Chronos]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are moderating more. It seems they are getting more and GT fanatics trolling over there lately. Not sure what people see in trolling on opposing forums. One would think they would rather just play the game they like instead of wasting time baiting.

Sad that you bring up GT fanatics and just instinctively come to that conclusion. It seems from your posts here you can't stand any criticism of Forza and have to respond to everyone. You turned into a diamond member in a week or two defending Forza and posting dodgy GT5p pics. I can't believe you posted that MS email from 2005. When you can't defend no more you resort to Sony and Microsoft Sucks.

I've been reading the threads on fm.net and I'd say most if not all are established Forza racers and hotlappers, long time members with credible gamertags who are pissed at T10 and going a bit overboard with their posts. Nothing to do with Gran Turismo players. If there's one GT troll its 1 in a thousand. I was on forza central and one guy "ford gt guy" is crying saying all this criticism is from GT fanboys jealous of the game.

http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33858

Why can't these guys accept some Forza players are not happy. They really think people are infiltrating fm.net. I'm sure if you love Forza its painful to see people are not happy but these are real complaints from known forza players. Its probably a vocal minority of hardcore player and T10 will patch it before GT5 is out and bring them all back onside unless they have dropped the ball or some aspects can't be reversed.

The game has some problems and things removed from Forza 2. You guys need to wake up and stop blaming people and accept the core base is unhappy. OF cousre there's a few shills, but really?

 

[Bogie 19th]

Sad that you bring up GT fanatics and just instinctively come to that conclusion.

It's based on my years of being a member at the forum. Just seems like we have more there now.

It seems from your posts here you can't stand any criticism of Forza

And yet I criticize it. Interesting conclusion you came to.

You turned into a diamond member in a week or two defending Forza and posting dodgy GT5p pics.

Thanks for monitoring my posts and my member status. Member status "titles" means nothing to me, but I know where it stands with you.

I can't believe you posted that MS email from 2005.

Why not. It's the only official hardware information that Microsoft has released about their Xbox 360. If you have some newer information about their hardware, feel free to post it. I saw nobody posting any more information about it.

When you can't defend no more you resort to Sony and Microsoft Sucks.

What is the point of defending? I have nothing to gain. Doesn't make any sense. Which is why I won't hesitate to criticize Forza 1, Forza 2, Forza 3, RacePro or GT5p from my experiences.

Sony and MS don't suck. They make billions...billions more than I ever will. The companies are not good at making software nor hardware products in my experience though.

Not sure what that has to do with anything, but whatever floats your boat Chronos.

Nothing to do with Gran Turismo players.

Ok, so we read different posts.

If there's one GT troll its 1 in a thousand.

Of course. And they say the same thing on the Forza forums about any possible Forza trolls on the GT forums. I have seen this happen on every forum. Sad but true.

Why can't these guys accept some Forza players are not happy.

That is a good question. We are not happy. But that is way these gaming corporations roll.

The game has some problems and things removed from Forza 2. You guys need to wake up and stop blaming people and accept the core base is unhappy. OF cousre there's a few shills, but really?

You will always have shills. You would find diehards defending their game even if the game didn't have any cars.

Not sure what your agenda is here, but it sounds like we are on the same page.

 

[Terronium-12]

Alright, I'm not 100% sure on this as I can't get a good enough angle into the interior, but I'm about 77% sure that there are shifting animations, but only in replays. I'm watching a replay with my Evo right now and periodically I see arm movement. That much I'm sure of.

...And before you ponder, no, it isn't the movement from turning the steering wheel. That's more of a linear left to right, or right to left movement. This is particularly up and down movement. All I gotta say is what the fuc... what the 🤬?

 

[Bogie 19th]

Maybe it's not in every car then? Because I have never seen any shifting animations, not even in replay. I have always seen their hands FIRMLY planted on the wheel.

 

[Dravonic]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are moderating more. It seems they are getting more and GT fanatics trolling over there lately. Not sure what people see in trolling on opposing forums. One would think they would rather just play the game they like instead of wasting time baiting.

You really need to take a look at the mirror.

Sad that you bring up GT fanatics and just instinctively come to that conclusion. It seems from your posts here you can't stand any criticism of Forza and have to respond to everyone. You turned into a diamond member in a week or two defending Forza and posting dodgy GT5p pics. I can't believe you posted that MS email from 2005. When you can't defend no more you resort to Sony and Microsoft Sucks.

I've been reading the threads on fm.net and I'd say most if not all are established Forza racers and hotlappers, long time members with credible gamertags who are pissed at T10 and going a bit overboard with their posts. Nothing to do with Gran Turismo players. If there's one GT troll its 1 in a thousand. I was on forza central and one guy "ford gt guy" is crying saying all this criticism is from GT fanboys jealous of the game.

http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33858

Why can't these guys accept some Forza players are not happy. They really think people are infiltrating fm.net. I'm sure if you love Forza its painful to see people are not happy but these are real complaints from known forza players. Its probably a vocal minority of hardcore player and T10 will patch it before GT5 is out and bring them all back onside unless they have dropped the ball or some aspects can't be reversed.

The game has some problems and things removed from Forza 2. You guys need to wake up and stop blaming people and accept the core base is unhappy. OF cousre there's a few shills, but really?

I went over there to take a look at the complaints and things do look bad. The game has far too many annoying bugs and a few game breaking ones. It's outrageous if you ask me. I would be really pissed if such thing happened to a game I care about such as GT5. No doubt I would be there giving moderators a hard time. Some things are just unacceptable. However, there are others, mostly blind fanboys, that just lower their heads, take the beating and try to convince others to do the same. Quite sad really. If you really like the game, you should be there complaining to make it better, not trying to convince yourself and others it's ok to get a rushed and unfinished game.

 

[Lain]

Alright, I'm not 100% sure on this as I can't get a good enough angle into the interior, but I'm about 77% sure that there are shifting animations, but only in replays. I'm watching a replay with my Evo right now and periodically I see arm movement. That much I'm sure of.

...And before you ponder, no, it isn't the movement from turning the steering wheel. That's more of a linear left to right, or right to left movement. This is particularly up and down movement. All I gotta say is what the fuc... what the 🤬?

Well, I think the reason there are shifting animations in replays but not in the cockpit view is that in the cockpit view, you can look around and see the shifter. So the hand has to actually go to where the shifter is for that particular car. In a replay, the arm just has to reach down and pretend like it's shifting something.

 

[Bogie 19th]

You really need to take a look at the mirror.

Oh, the irony in that statement.

If you really like the game, you should be there complaining to make it better, not trying to convince yourself and others it's ok to get a rushed and unfinished game.

Well stated.

 

[Lain]

"ur a Forza troll"
"no ur a GT troll"
"no ur a Forza troll"
"no... UR A GT TROLL!!!"

Can't we have a rational discussion about Forza 3's flaws without it turning into this? Please?

 

[Terronium-12]

"ur a Forza troll"
"no ur a GT troll"
"no ur a Forza troll"
"no... UR A GT TROLL!!!"

Can't we have a rational discussion about Forza 3's flaws without it turning into this? Please?

I was just about to say this myself.

 

[Bogie 19th]

"ur a Forza troll"
"no ur a GT troll"
"no ur a Forza troll"
"no... UR A GT TROLL!!!"

Can't we have a rational discussion about Forza 3's flaws without it turning into this? Please?

And a rational comment you make. I agree!

 

[Terronium-12]

Well, I think the reason there are shifting animations in replays but not in the cockpit view is that in the cockpit view, you can look around and see the shifter. So the hand has to actually go to where the shifter is for that particular car. In a replay, the arm just has to reach down and pretend like it's shifting something.

Which makes matters even worse as you can't look around inside the cabin. When you look left or right it switches to a generic "out of window" view. Surely it couldn't have been that much of a task to have the driver move their hand up and down. I mean, really.

On a lighter note I'm almost at Level 50!!! A first for me with any Forza as it usually bored the living poo out of me sometime before the 40's.

 

[Lain]

Which makes matters even worse as you can't look around inside the cabin. When you look left or right it switches to a generic "out of window" view. Surely it couldn't have been that much of a task to have the driver move their hand up and down. I mean, really.

On a lighter note I'm almost at Level 50!!! A first for me with any Forza as it usually bored the living poo out of me sometime before the 40's.

I'm almost to level 50 myself, but lately I haven't been playing Forza as much because I recently bought a few other games i've been wanting to get.

I thought with the default control setup, you could use the right thumbstick to look around the cockpit. Maybe I'm just imagining things though... I've been using the right thumbstick for throttle and braking.