FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[Bogie 19th]

Just wanted to post this because I remember a member calling my 458 a vacuum from watching this video with the FM4 458 vs GT5 sounds.


GT5 vs FM4 Ferrari 458 Cockpit

Anyway I don't know where these videos of cars that sound good on my system sound like crap when people post up example to use them to say GT5 sounds suck. This is my video I just recorded from my TV. What I love about GT is the different sounds you get when viewing the cars from different angles and how replay view sounds different from cockpit view. You guys with the demo can you capture the 458 from different views to see if the car sounds change during different views thanks.

The sounds do change between all the views. The most noticeable is the change between cockpit and 3rd person. I can't capture the differences though because I don't have a capture card Of course, the same happened in FM3 as well.

I wonder if PD will fix their vacuums and bee sounds in Spec 2.

 

[Spagetti69]

Just wanted to post this because I remember a member calling my 458 a vacuum

I hope your vacuum wasn't offended.

 

[Luminis]

I can tell you that the sounds do change between cockpit and exterior.

Mostly just in volume, though. The tone generally stays the same, so I agree with JDMKING there (as far as FM3 goes, of course).

However, I still think the 458 sounds a lot worse in GT5 than it does in FM3/4, doesn't matter whether it's the direct footage or the off-screen video. Forza's version sounds raspier, meatier, more agressive and more powerful. GT5's version has some sort of buzzing note to it that indeed sounds a bit like a vacuum or cleaner, in my opinion.

 

[Daverytimes]

I can tell you that the sounds do change between cockpit and exterior.

From what i have seen (Heard in this case) it's not as apparent as GT5's.

Mostly just in volume, though. The tone generally stays the same, so I agree with JDMKING there (as far as FM3 goes, of course).

However, I still think the 458 sounds a lot worse in GT5 than it does in FM3/4, doesn't matter whether it's the direct footage or the off-screen video. Forza's version sounds raspier, meatier, more agressive and more powerful. GT5's version has some sort of buzzing note to it that indeed sounds a bit like a vacuum or cleaner, in my opinion.

Forza 3 and Shift 2 sound anything but realistic but because of the words you posted people seem to think GT5 sounds bad (Atleast the Premiums sound good). Forza 3 had that dreadful bass were every car ended up sounding similar, am hoping Forza 4 does not repeat that (Seems like it's not).

 

[Daverytimes]

Dp.

 

[zr1chris]

Mostly just in volume, though. The tone generally stays the same,

That's what I meant. I guess I should have been more specific.

 

[Bogie 19th]

I think GT5 is more muffled in some cases (but not all), but many times too much and to unrealistically. That said, they probably do it for a reason. GT5 has much better (existent) wind/drafting sounds, which FM fails to have.

That said, it's much better to have the more realistic sounds of FM than the tinny, bee, vacuum sounds of GT5. Don't get me started on the sounds of hitting other cars...sounds like you are hitting a Waste Management recycle bin, lol.

Forza 3 and Shift 2 sound anything but realistic

lol

 

[Daverytimes]

I think GT5 is more muffled in some cases (but not all), but many times too much and to unrealistically. That said, they probably do it for a reason. GT5 has much better (existent) wind/drafting sounds, which FM fails to have.

That said, it's much better to have the more realistic sounds of FM than the tinny, bee, vacuum sounds of GT5. Don't get me started on the sounds of hitting other cars...sounds like you are hitting a Waste Management recycle bin, lol.



lol

Unless you mean FM4, previous FM's have sounded anything but realistic.

Have you ever heard of hollywood sound effect? Shift 2 is actually worse. Sounding good does not mean it sounds realistic, for the cars that i have compared Shift 2 completely over exaggerates any and every sound. I guess that appeals to fans.

 

[zr1chris]

Unless you mean FM4, previous FM's have sounded anything but realistic.

Have you ever heard of hollywood sound effect? Shift 2 is actually worse. Sounding good does not mean it sounds realistic, for the cars that i have compared Shift 2 completely over exaggerates any and every sound. I guess that appeals to fans.

I can tell you FM3 sounded very good and MUCH better than GT5.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Unless you mean FM4, previous FM's have sounded anything but realistic.

Have you ever heard of hollywood sound effect? Shift 2 is actually worse. Sounding good does not mean it sounds realistic, for the cars that i have compared Shift 2 completely over exaggerates any and every sound. I guess that appeals to fans.

FM sounds in FM2 and FM3 completely destroy and are much more accurate than they are in GT5....fact.

 

[NA]

Unless you mean FM4, previous FM's have sounded anything but realistic.

Have you ever heard of hollywood sound effect? Shift 2 is actually worse. Sounding good does not mean it sounds realistic, for the cars that i have compared Shift 2 completely over exaggerates any and every sound. I guess that appeals to fans.

My only problem with previous FM sounds was that all cars sounded to me like the stocks came with aftermarket straight pipes or cat backs instead of factory exhaust. Personnaly though, I still prefer that to "vacs and bees".

 

[Luminis]

Forza 3 and Shift 2 sound anything but realistic but because of the words you posted people seem to think GT5 sounds bad (Atleast the Premiums sound good). Forza 3 had that dreadful bass were every car ended up sounding similar, am hoping Forza 4 does not repeat that (Seems like it's not).

First off, I really don't think all cars sound similar. There's a huge difference between the throaty sound of my Miata's four banger, the more screamy sound of my Evo VI's four-banger, the high-pitched yet bassy sound of my 360CS and the pure sexual harrassement that is my ZR-1.

Also, entirely realistic or not, I'm taking FM3/4's sounds over the strange buzzing noise most cars (including most of the premiums) make.

Just listen to the Zonda R comparison or the 458 comparison on the recent pages. Unless someone's deaf, it'd be pretty darn hard to make a case for GT5 in that regard, in my opinion.

Have you ever heard of hollywood sound effect? Shift 2 is actually worse. Sounding good does not mean it sounds realistic, for the cars that i have compared Shift 2 completely over exaggerates any and every sound. I guess that appeals to fans.

If I have the choice between good sound and realistic sound, I'll take the realistic sound. If I have the choice between unrealistic, good sound and unrealistic vacuum cleaners and bees, I'm going with the unrealistic, good sound, thanks.

 

[Daverytimes]

I can tell you FM3 sounded very good and MUCH better than GT5.

As i said sounding good and sounding realistic are two different things. It sorta like what people say here regarding GT5's physics, they say it feels realistic but it's not realistic. I have seen quite a few people in here say it, and they are right. GT5 feels realistic but it calculates very few things in other to achieve what it achieved. Forza 3 calculated way more things than GT5 did in it's physics engine but it failed to feel realistic. The same can be applied here, Forza sounds good but it's a bit outside of reality, every car had an over exaggerated Bass tone to it. GT5 (Premium cars only, Standards sound like crap) had a varying tone with every single car but failed to give the experience to the common man. In order to appreciate the sounds you have to drop some cash and frankly the common man is not ready to do that therefore the sentiment that GT5 sounds like crap. And as Arma said "Repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes truth".

 

[zr1chris]

Agreed Luminis. They totally killed the sound of the ZR1 on GT5.

As i said sounding good and sounding realistic are two different things. It sorta like what people say here regarding GT5's physics, they say it feels realistic but it's not realistic. I have seen quite a few people in here say it, and they are right. GT5 feels realistic but it calculates very few things in other to achieve what it achieved. Forza 3 calculated way more things than GT5 did in it's physics engine but it failed to feel realistic. The same can be applied here, Forza sounds good but it's a but outside of reality, every car had an over exaggerated Bass tone to it. GT5 (Premium cars only, Standards sound like crap) had a varying tone with every single car but failed to give the experience to the common man. In order to appreciate the sounds you have to drop some cash and frankly the common man is not ready to do that therefore the sentiment that GT5 sounds like crap. And as Arma said "Repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes truth".

So I take it you think the ZR1 shouldn't have any bass at all like GT5. Here, I will word it differently for you. FM2 3, and 4 sound much more REALISTIC than GT5. For you apparently that's a cold hard fact. You just constantly turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to everything that Forza excels at just to praise GT. Why do you even bother to visit this section of the forums since you have no true interest in Forza?

 

[zr1chris]

dp, sorry.

 

[JDMKING13]

So I take it you think the ZR1 shouldn't have any bass at all like GT5. Here, I will word it differently for you. FM2 3, and 4 sound much more REALISTIC than GT5. For you apparently that's a cold hard fact. You just constantly turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to everything that Forza excels at just to praise GT. Why do you even bother to visit this section of the forums since you have no true interest in Forza?

The ZR-1 in FM4 sounds way more beef up then in stock trim, Just as that Spirit R did.

 

[zr1chris]

The ZR-1 in FM4 sounds way more beef up then in stock trim, Just as that Spirit R did

Really? You heard it already? I haven't.

 

[Luminis]

As i said sounding good and sounding realistic are two different things.

And I take it that GT's sounds seem more realistic to you, right?

 

[JDMKING13]

Really? You heard it already? I haven't.

Yes listen the video I posted.

 

[KreepaEvox]

First off, I really don't think all cars sound similar. There's a huge difference between the throaty sound of my Miata's four banger, the more screamy sound of my Evo VI's four-banger, the high-pitched yet bassy sound of my 360CS and the pure sexual harrassement that is my ZR-1.

Also, entirely realistic or not, I'm taking FM3/4's sounds over the strange buzzing noise most cars (including most of the premiums) make.

Just listen to the Zonda R comparison or the 458 comparison on the recent pages. Unless someone's deaf, it'd be pretty darn hard to make a case for GT5 in that regard, in my opinion.


If I have the choice between good sound and realistic sound, I'll take the realistic sound. If I have the choice between unrealistic, good sound and unrealistic vacuum cleaners and bees, I'm going with the unrealistic, good sound, thanks.

No Lumi, what happens is you haven't heard Gt5's sounds in a Tribulator 75000 10.1 channel, plasma speakered, multi surround sound parallel system.... Ugh. Cant wait until someone comes with that lame excuse.

Have you ever heard the fury of an unleashed Ferrari 458? Bassy, throaty at low and mid RPMs, then raspy and furious at high RPMs..... GT5's example is stuck at furious, if you get my drift. It's overly synthetized, buzzier and generally plain. The difference in Forza is that the sound character changes thru the whole redline. The same can be said about superchargers and turbochargers to some extent. They reflect the actual revving and more importantly, load on the engine

 

[zr1chris]

Yes listen the video I posted.

That is a terrible comparison. The mic in the real vid is total crap and more focused on the guy talking than the car and it was recorded at a much lower volume level.

 

[Daverytimes]

Agreed Luminis. They totally killed the sound of the ZR1 on GT5.
So I take it you think the ZR1 shouldn't have any bass at all like GT5. Here, I will word it differently for you. FM2 3, and 4 sound much more REALISTIC than GT5. For you apparently that's a cold hard fact. You just constantly turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to everything that Forza excels at just to praise GT. Why do you even bother to visit this section of the forums since you have no true interest in Forza?

I think you are the one that's turning a blind eye so you can praise Forza, Cause you apparently missed "Standards sound like crap" or you missed my other comments praising Forza for their advancement. It seems to me like every time i or any other GT5 fan says something bad about Forza we are the bad guys. Most of the guys in here are bashing GT5 continuously and i don't think you have seem me furiously calling people names or defending GT5. Every thing i have contributed in this thread is not only true but "cold hard facts". Oh and Forza 4 seems like it's going to start sounding realistic, come at me .

 

[zr1chris]

Yes listen the video I posted.

Here. Still not an expensive high quality mic either. Watch when he gets on it.

I think you are the one that's turning a blind eye so you can praise Forza, Cause you apparently missed "Standards sound like crap" or you missed my other comments praising Forza for their advancement. It seems to me like every time i or any other GT5 fan says something bad about Forza we are the bad guys. Most of the guys in here are bashing GT5 continuously and i don't think you have seem me furiously calling people names or defending GT5. Every thing i have contributed in this thread is not only true but "cold hard facts". Oh and Forza 4 seems like it's going to start sounding realistic, come at me .

The ZR1 is a premium car and it sounds like garbage in GT5. The video above that I posted sounds ALLOT more like FM3 and 4 than it does GT5.

 

[Luminis]

"Standards sound like crap"

The Zonda R, the 458 and the F40 are standards now?

No Lumi, what happens is you haven't heard Gt5's sounds in a Tribulator 75000 10.1 channel, plasma speakered, multi surround sound parallel system.... Ugh. Cant wait until someone comes with that lame excuse.

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Just like saying GT5 with a T500RS feels better than FM4 with the MS Wheel, in my opinion. Sure, if I'm using my 10 year old crappy headphones for FM4 and a Bose Acoustimass 15 homecinema setup for GT5, it'll sound better than FM. Probably.

 

[James1436]

The ZR-1 in FM4 sounds way more beef up then in stock trim, Just as that Spirit R did.

^^The sounds on the real version one seems compressed.




Think this comparison is more accurate.

 

[JDMKING13]

^^The sounds on the real version one seems compressed.

Think this comparison is more accurate.

Hey man thanks nice video 👍, however I still feel the FM4 cars in stock trim are so beefy, but my biggest gripe with 3 was the way the sounds from the cars sounded when it different views. Im still waiting for one of these guys with the demo to post a video.

@davery some of the standards sound amazing GT40 race car.

 

[zr1chris]

Even if they are more beefy (and i'll give you that they are just a tiny bit but not in my opinion) It's the pitch that's more important. GT5's pitch is completely wrong. The volume can be changed by simply turning down the volume.

 

[Daverytimes]

Hey man thanks nice video 👍, however I still feel the FM4 cars in stock trim are so beefy, but my biggest gripe with 3 was the way the sounds from the cars sounded when it different views. Im still waiting for one of these guys with the demo to post a video.

@davery some of the standards sound amazing GT40 race car.

Unfortunately very few of them sound good, maybe 20 (Pulling numbers out of my arse here) out of the 800 standards. Most of the premiums sound good but like Lumi pointed out there are others that sound completely wrong.

 

[JDMKING13]

Even if they are more beefy (and i'll give you that they are just a tiny bit) It's the pitch that's more important. GT5's pitch is completely wrong. The volume can be changed by simply turning down the volume.

I respect your opinion Chris, however I don't think so. The ZR-1 sounds like a monster in GT5 (IMO). especially once you listen to it in replay mode. It's cool though i'm just glad we can debate without calling each other names or being immature. Seems really hard in this Thread to do that. 👍

@ Davery no doubt man some sound crazy but a lot of the cars sound good. It gets real wacky sometimes upgrading the exhaust also, some sound amazing some sound like crap.

 

[zr1chris]

I respect your opinion Chris, however I don't think so. The ZR-1 sounds like a monster in GT5 (IMO). especially once you listen to it in replay mode. It's cool though i'm just glad we can debate without calling each other names or being immature. Seems really hard in this Thread to do that. 👍

@ Davery no doubt man some sound crazy but a lot of the cars sound good. It gets real wacky sometimes upgrading the exhaust also, some sound amazing some sound like crap.

How can you possibly say this is more realistic?




WAY too high pitched.

At least we can agree on how to debate like adults. 👍