FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

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BryCivicSi
I don't know what kind of sound system you used but I hooked up GT5 to my sound system and it didn't sound bad. I running a Yamaha VX-765 with lossless HDMI imput/ output to a 3.1 system- 45" Paradigm towers w/ center and a 12" M&K sub.
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Granted I don't have as high powered as a system as you do but my 6.1 Pioneer is not exactly a piece of junk either. Either way the only thing an audio system does is enhance the audio that's being sent to it. If you send it terrible sounds then all it's going to do is enhance those terrible sounds and make it even worse in some cases.
 
Luminis



And even then, it still sounds way off, JDM version, USDM version, doesn't matter.

GT5's sound is so far off, I couldn't even tell whether PD tried to recreate the USDM or JDM version.
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Exactly wha i mean...i dont even thing PD recorded real engine sounds, they just estimated, what can else be the explenation?
 
Oh come on Davery, and The Nyle is just a damn river. A lie told by basically mostly everyone, GT fans included.... you are just deluded

And JDMking Vtec is very much alive in FM3, Vtec is not night and day on stock B series. In K20s the thing just explodes, but faithfully recreated in Forza. In GT5 you get some switch over but not as noticeable as Forza. And believe me I know my Vtecs. Also the equal lenght exhaust collectors on a ej20 from JDM Subbie give it a distinct sound to the ej25, very pronounced.... but nothing like GT5's depiction of it.

Oh oh... here come the sound systems.....

As a matter of fact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBZt2Fe1eYI
 
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zr1chris
Granted I don't have as high powered as a system as you do but my 6.1 Pioneer is not exactly a piece of junk either. Either way the only thing an audio system does is enhance the audio that's being sent to it. If you send it terrible sounds then all it's going to do is enhance those terrible sounds and make it even worse in some cases.
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A proper sound system does not "enhance" sound. Maybe you are just using the wrong term?

I like Pioneer products don't get me wrong, but if it is an all-in-one system, and even if it cost $1000 and is 800w or whatever, it's still not that great. Better than using the TV speakers but still not great for judging accurate tonality, which is what you are trying to do.
 
Daverytimes
"A lie that is repeated enough times can become truth". You are displaying that my friend. Before you present popular opinion you need to conduct your own tests.
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You know what's funny? I can throw examples of the sounds in GT5 being inferior around (which I've done over the course of the last page), and that's the stuff I'm reading. That and "better sound system makes GT5 equal FM3/4". Guess what, a better sound system will also beef FM3/4's sounds up, and considerably, at that.

Daverytimes
Zer0 explained it quite good.
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Whatever. If I need a 5.1 sound system to get some half-decent sound out of GT5, that in and off itself is pretty darn bad, isn't it? I know some people are going to tell me otherwise, but, hey, the more restrictions the game comes with (and demanding a certain audio system to sound half-decent is a big restriction, in my opinion), the worse.

Anyways, you guys repeat your stuff abput lies and whatever when people are posting actual footage about what they're talking about, fine with me. I'm off to bed, anyways.
 
BryCivicSi
Cause competition is making these games a lot better.
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You know, I still run into people that don't see that, or to be more specific, tell me there "is no competition", "PD doesn't care", and/or "the two are not comparable".
What page are we on? 232? Odd, 232 pages dedicated to comparring the uncomparable, and you can bet PD sure has heck does see FM has competition, or they wouldn't be setting up the "Spec 2" release for the time they choose.
I am interested to see what PD does with 2.0 in that regard, but I am even more interested to see what happens with GT6. A back and forth competition over the next decade, two companies topping each other in turns, that will provide some excellent games. Perhaps a new golden era even.
 
Zer0
[youtubehd]NPH5E0WlKeg&hd=1[/youtubehd]

A simple sound setup with some bass should work. Youtube videos are 2ch stereo and most sound tones get lost or muted by other sounds. Don't reflect the real game sound, also there are 3 sound setting within the game and most people when capture direct hdmi videos don't change their 5.1 sound preset. For that reason some channels get lost in translation or muted. Other games mix the sound channels in a more simplistic form and does not have the GT5 channel separation.
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IMO if a real car can sound a certain way on a 2 ch system then GT5 should be able to sound they same. BTW like I said before even on my 6.1 it just enhances what bad sound is already there. It doesn't alter it.
 
NA
You know, I still run into people that don't see that, or to be more specific, tell me there "is no competition", "PD doesn't care", and/or "the two are not comparable".
What page are we on? 232? Odd, 232 pages dedicated to comparring the uncomparable, and you can bet PD sure has heck does see FM has competition, or they wouldn't be setting up the "Spec 2" release for the time they choose.
I am interested to see what PD does with 2.0 in that regard, but I am even more interested to see what happens with GT6. A back and forth competition over the next decade, two companies topping each other in turns, that will provide some excellent games. Perhaps a new golden era even.
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Thank god for you man. This bickering is getting ANNOYING! It seems like every thread I visit is another bash for GT5 or PD. Why are you on a GT site if you hate the games so much first off? I am just sick of it and I've only visited this forza portion of the forum for a week now.

I hope this all dies down soon and we can enjoy the game for what it is- A GAME!
 
Luminis
You know what's funny? I can throw examples of the sounds in GT5 being inferior around (which I've done over the course of the last page), and that's the stuff I'm reading. That and "better sound system makes GT5 equal FM3/4". Guess what, a better sound system will also beef FM3/4's sounds up, and considerably, at that.



Whatever. If I need a 5.1 sound system to get some half-decent sound out of GT5, that in and off itself is pretty darn bad, isn't it? I know some people are going to tell me otherwise, but, hey, the more restrictions the game comes with (and demanding a certain audio system to sound half-decent is a big restriction, in my opinion), the worse.

Anyways, you guys repeat your stuff abput lies and whatever when people are posting actual footage about what they're talking about, fine with me. I'm off to bed, anyways.
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Common Lumi, someone finally explains it and all you say is "whatever". If the sound is good with a good sound system then that's all there is to it. That's the only thing we have been trying to say, i don't care how Forza sounds with a high end sound system because that was not what we were debating. We were debating whether GT5 actually sounded good with a high end device and you just admitted to it. Tacking on Forza isn't helping your case.
 
No doubt Evo however these video Luminis keep posted are really not the sounds I hear out of my GT5, In person you hear the bass more. In these videos it no base, I guess its what Zero said. Nobodies gonna agree with one another we could go at this all night. :lol: New topic whats up with this steering assist I'm hoping it's just for this demo. I know some of you don't care about but I do. It was the main reason I could not enjoy FM3 so much. I keep seeing people say the physics are top notch but the assist kills it.
 
NA
that will provide some excellent games. Perhaps a new golden era even.
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I say we are already in it.

"sims" that are actually fun for PC elitist on consoles, a good F1 sim on multiplatform, and getting 500cars at launch for $40...........and we use to think 25 cars in a racing game was enough.

When I was young I was happy if the car model looks roughly right, now we are picking on how car looks in shadow and is the cockpit lit up properly....People who played racing games from the early 90 should feel very grateful we have reach this point, I sincerely do!
 
Zer0
A simple sound setup with some bass should work. Youtube videos are 2ch stereo and most sound tones get lost or muted by other sounds. Don't reflect the real game sound, also there are 3 sound setting within the game and most people when capture direct hdmi videos don't change their 5.1 sound preset. For that reason some channels get lost in translation or muted. Other games mix the sound channels in a more simplistic form and does not have the GT5 channel separation.
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Oh yeah, gotta get this one thing off my chest.

If it's all Youtube's fault, how is it possible that the 787B manages to still sound good? As I said, it's one of the very, very few exceptions that do sound good in GT5:



I mean, I know that rotaries are running on 1/4th oil and 3/4th magic, but how is it possible that this car manages to exceed the Youtube-boundaries that make GT5 sound so bad?

"It's the sound system, it's Youtube!" Yeah, it's everything except GT5's cars just not sounding all that good, I guess :rolleyes:

Anyways, that's that.

Daverytimes
Common Lumi, someone finally explains it and all you say is "whatever". If the sound is good with a good sound system then that's all there is to it. That's the only thing we have been trying to say, i don't care how Forza sounds with a high end sound system because that was not what we were debating. We were debating whether GT5 actually sounded good with a high end device and you just admitted to it. Tacking on Forza isn't helping your case.
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We were?! Last time I checked, the initial debate was about whether GT5 or FM4 sounds better. That's when people started throwing the idea around that it all changes 100% as soon as you plug your PS3 into a high end sound system.
  1. See my point above, I have yet to believe that someone's system changes the game so much when you can find examples of cars that do sound good and accurate already.
  2. If you need a high-end sound device for GT5 to sound decent, that's still nothing to weep with joy over, in my opinion.
  3. The way you've been labelling people as liers but cling to completely unproven stuff is rather hypocritical, by the way.

Oh well, you guys play nice :lol:
 
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What he said ^ The Mazda 787B is one of the very few cars in GT5 that sounds extremely accurate. I love how accurate the idle is.

BryCivicSi
A proper sound system does not "enhance" sound. Maybe you are just using the wrong term?
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Don't know what you call it then. To me the better the quality of system always means better sound distribution and overall sound quality which "enhances" the audio being put out.

BryCivicSi
I like Pioneer products don't get me wrong, but if it is an all-in-one system, and even if it cost $1000 and is 800w or whatever, it's still not that great. Better than using the TV speakers but still not great for judging accurate tonality, which is what you are trying to do.
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It is an all-in-one. I do have a set of Bose hooked up as my front speakers although I know they don't sound as good as they could if I had a better unit powering them. Anyway my belief is if FM can make cars sound great no matter what you have for a system why do you need some crazy expensive system to make GT sound decent. That alone should tell you how bad GT's audio quality is if you need some crazy audio system to alter the sound to make it correct. FM4 on your system would be unbelievably good. I can sit hear and listen to the Zonda from the demo all day on my system. I can just imagine how good it would be on yours.
 
Luminis
Oh yeah, gotta get this one thing off my chest.

If it's all Youtube's fault, how is it possible that the 787B manages to still sound good? As I said, it's one of the very, very few exceptions that do sound good in GT5:



I mean, I know that rotaries are running on 1/4th oil and 3/4th magic, but how is it possible that this car manages to exceed the Youtube-boundaries that make GT5 sound so bad?

"It's the sound system, it's Youtube!" Yeah, it's everything except GT5's cars just not sounding all that good, I guess :rolleyes:

Anyways, that's that.
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You said it yourself, A car running on magic can defy all laws.
 
JJ72
I say we are already in it.

"sims" that are actually fun for PC elitist on consoles, a good F1 sim on multiplatform, and getting 500cars at launch for $40...........and we use to think 25 cars in a racing game was enough.

When I was young I was happy if the car model looks roughly right, now we are picking on how car looks in shadow and is the cockpit lit up properly....People who played racing games from the early 90 should feel very grateful we have reach this point, I sincerely do!
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Lol, yes, every once in awhile I go through my 1980's and 90's game collection and am reminded of days when a pixel seemed to take up half the screen, and my father wasn't yet convinced "those new vid card thingies" where something I needed to be putting in his work computers. Everything after 1995 or so is icing on the cake to me. 👍
 
Luminis
Oh yeah, gotta get this one thing off my chest.

If it's all Youtube's fault, how is it possible that the 787B manages to still sound good? As I said, it's one of the very, very few exceptions that do sound good in GT5:


I mean, I know that rotaries are running on 1/4th oil and 3/4th magic, but how is it possible that this car manages to exceed the Youtube-boundaries that make GT5 sound so bad?

"It's the sound system, it's Youtube!" Yeah, it's everything except GT5's cars just not sounding all that good, I guess :rolleyes:

Anyways, that's that.
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You are acting like we are making this up I'm not saying one is better than the other. All i'm saying is GT5 cars do sound good. You preach a surround system doesn't help GT5 so let me ask you why when you go to audio settings they have a specific audio output Small living room Large living room. What makes me laugh is when people where coming in hear saying how the assist where not off in FM4, you and others start going off telling people they have different version of the demo being very defensive or it still feels good to me etc. Did you own a surround sound for GT5? I already know you don't have it anymore. Look at my post history I keep it real I don't disrespect people even if they say bogus stuff. I am a FM fan and a GT5 fan, I have a G27 and a DFGT, and a Fanatic wheel for my FM and Im waiting on my TM500. There are few on this site that can say they give FM the same time and treatment they give GT5 and vice versa.
 
zr1chris
Sounds good with Forza, ;)
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BryCivicSi
I don't know what kind of sound system you used but I hooked up GT5 to my sound system and it didn't sound bad. I running a Yamaha VX-765 with lossless HDMI imput/ output to a 3.1 system- 45" Paradigm towers w/ center and a 12" M&K sub.

Personally, I've played GT since the original first came out on PS1. I like the GT series a lot. They do a lot of great things but having 40 versions of the Skyline and Miata is annoying. Cobbling standard cars with premium made the game feel half complete. But until the last month, I played GT5 regularly since it's release date last November.

I bought Forza on the xbox many years ago cause they were both cheap. I didn't like it. Picked up F3 over the summer and had a lot of fun. The graphics are nice, in some ways I like it more that GT5. But these cars are so easy to handle. I can whip around the Carrera RS '73 with no aids except ABS. In GT5, I can barely keep it on the road, well, the RUF BTR '87, a somewhat similar car.
What I do love about F3 is that it is kind of a challenge. If I beef up a car, the opponents get tougher. If I keep it stock, which I do 90% of the time, it will take me most of the race to get to first. But like the GT series, once you're in first, it is hard to fail.

I like both games but I don't like is people bashing either. They both have strengths and weaknesses.

I am very excited for F4. It sounds like it will blow the doors off of GT5. And liking the GT series far more than Forza, I am glad to say that. Cause competition is making these games a lot better.
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Breath of fresh air to hear a sensible post 👍
 
Luminis
If you need a high-end sound device for GT5 to sound decent, that's still nothing to weep with joy over, in my opinion.
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Nobody is "weeping with joy" over anything, we are just correcting the inconsistencies and generalization that is in full display in this thread.

Luminis
See my point above, I have yet to believe that someone's system changes the game so much when you can find examples of cars that do sound good and accurate already.[*]The way you've been labelling people as liers but cling to completely unproven stuff is rather hypocritical, by the way.
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Oh well, you guys play nice :lol:
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Unproven stuff? how many times will this video be posted? and it seems that you are avoiding it?
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Oh and you just indirectly agreed that GT5 might sound good with a high end device but that it's nothing to "weep with joy over", yet you are accusing me of clinging to unproven stuff. You yourself have already seen the "Unproven stuff" and you have confirmed that the "Unproven stuff" is working and then you went on to dismiss it anyways. Seems to me like most people in here don't like PD and/or GT just because they can.
 
James1436
I think its fair to say that Forza has the better sound department. GT5 is decent with a nice stereo system, but could use alot of improving.
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Absolutely, no one is arguing that. It's just that nothing good can be said about GT5 in this thread. It seems that any praise that is directed towards GT5 is challenged by our resident Forza experts.
 
James1436
I think its fair to say that Forza has the better sound department. GT5 is decent with a nice stereo system, but could use alot of improving.
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I don't think so while you guys judge the engine sounds I'm judging the whole department. Replay sounds in FM are horrible IMO. I agree with the bold statement.

TT3AZ
Well its because of thet wining tranny sound, but appart from that the sound effects are pretty good in gt5, specially the doppler effects. The engine sound might be better in forza 3, but the overall sound effects in gt5 is better. In forza 3 you hardly hear the cars passing by you, and even worse, you hardly hear them when doing fly byes. The soind in gt5 is much more dynamic than in forza 3, i havent got forza 4 yet so i cant decide.
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