FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[JDmsz]

Everybody on this thread is just complaining why the game is bad and how it could be better. You complaining about the game? Right? But you still playing that game. So you still like the game even though you say it's not good as the other game.

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

That's not strictly true. I haven't touched GT5 in easily 6 months. There's just nothing there for me.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Everybody on this thread is just complaining why the game is bad and how it could be better. You complaining about the game? Right? But you still playing that game. So you still like the game even though you say it's not good as the other game.

Don't know how reached this conclusion.

I did put it in recently but only to see what the Corvette C7 Prototype was like. If the car was in Forza, I wouldn't have wasted my time driving it in GT5. Other than that, I haven't played GT5 in several months.

 

[Exorcet]

Everybody on this thread is just complaining why the game is bad and how it could be better. You complaining about the game? Right? But you still playing that game. So you still like the game even though you say it's not good as the other game.

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but like the others I haven't played GT since I got Forza, besides some physics comparisons. They're both good games, Forza just happens to be better in my opinion.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but like the others I haven't played GT since I got Forza, besides some physics comparisons. They're both good games, Forza just happens to be better in my opinion.

This. Although, despite me playing GT5 as often, I really do enjoy Forza a lot more and I do play it whenever I feel incredibly bored. My garage in both FM4 and FH are perfect now, even in GT5.

 

[thelvynau]

Everybody on this thread is just complaining why the game is bad and how it could be better. You complaining about the game? Right? But you still playing that game. So you still like the game even though you say it's not good as the other game.

Why cant you like both games and say 1 is better than the other?

 

[McLaren]

That's not strictly true. I haven't touched GT5 in easily 6 months. There's just nothing there for me.

Same here as well.

In the past couple months, I have tried to load up GT5 to blast around the 'Ring with the NSX-R on my G25 (as I feel GT5 provides a better experience when played with a wheel), but both times I started racing, I found myself going back to FM4 because I can not stand the sounds. T10 has spoiled me with realistic engine sounds, & upgrades that actually make the cars sound even better, not worse in some cases.

The only thing it ends up making me want to do is buy a Fanatec wheel for FM4 to get the same "emotion" of driving around Sebring, Road America, LeSarthe, etc. that I had playing GT5 with the G25.

 

[hennessey86]

Same here as well.

In the past couple months, I have tried to load up GT5 to blast around the 'Ring with the NSX-R on my G25 (as I feel GT5 provides a better experience when played with a wheel), but both times I started racing, I found myself going back to FM4 because I can not stand the sounds. T10 has spoiled me with realistic engine sounds, & upgrades that actually make the cars sound even better, not worse in some cases.

The only thing it ends up making me want to do is buy a Fanatec wheel for FM4 to get the same "emotion" of driving around Sebring, Road America, LeSarthe, etc. that I had playing GT5 with the G25.

Get a fanatec wheel, you won't regret it

 

[TokoTurismo]

UGH. My opinion of course. Everytime I try to play FM4 I just get so BORED with it... I like Forza Horizon a lot more because its fun. I think the FM series should turn out to be like FH, I mean, it suits its name and it can be like PGR as well.

Please DON'T flame me just because I shared my thoughts. I just like FH more.

 

[buickgnx88]

UGH. My opinion of course. Everytime I try to play FM4 I just get so BORED with it... I like Forza Horizon a lot more because its fun. I think the FM series should turn out to be like FH, I mean, it suits its name and it can be like PGR as well.

Please DON'T flame me just because I shared my thoughts. I just like FH more.

You just happen to prefer open world racing to closed-circuit, that's not an issue. They should keep the two series' separate, but I do think that they could go into a little bit more depth in certain areas in FH.

 

[TokoTurismo]

You just happen to prefer open world racing to closed-circuit, that's not an issue. They should keep the two series' separate, but I do think that they could go into a little bit more depth in certain areas in FH.

That's very true. Than again, I do love exploring in open world games nowadays. (Thank you AC: Brotherhood of course.) I do agree with you on the depth part though. ^_^

 

[G219]

UGH. My opinion of course. Everytime I try to play FM4 I just get so BORED with it... I like Forza Horizon a lot more because its fun. I think the FM series should turn out to be like FH, I mean, it suits its name and it can be like PGR as well.

Please DON'T flame me just because I shared my thoughts. I just like FH more.

I too, absolutely love Forza Horizon. Sure, it could be better (for me that means completely sim AND AI traffic online), but it's a great start. Best wheel support and physics in an open world game, ever.

You just happen to prefer open world racing to closed-circuit, that's not an issue. They should keep the two series' separate, but I do think that they could go into a little bit more depth in certain areas in FH.

I also agree completely with this.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Best wheel support and physics in an open world game, ever.

Amen.

I've played a lot of free roam racing games over the past several years and Horizon's the best one I've played. It's an absolute blast with my CSR. I often find myself having fun by just driving around aimlessly in different cars and I haven't even beaten the game yet.

 

[Mike R]

Here is my humble review of both games,

I have played GT since the start of the GT series, I have only played forza 4 and for only about 3-4 days (20 hours of play time)

I started off Christmas and a 12 day vacation with buying my self a Fanatec elite wheel, club sport vs 2 pedals, TH8 shifter, Basherboards box, and a Sim-Seat SR-X. All driving time before this was using a controller.

After spending several hours getting everything put together and some help from basher him self on the phone helping me set everything up including the wheel settings(Huge thank you for this) I was ready to play!

Going from a controller to the wheel was night and day, I spent about 30 hours of play time on GT5 and loved every second of it, Everything felt great! There is not much more i can say, It was just awesome!

So i decided to give Forza 4 a try, I have never played this game before so again all this is based on 20 hours of play time and with a wheel only. First impression was not very good, I did not like how the game started, were you are forced to drive before you get to look at the menus/car list. I also HATED it with all the assist turned on. At first glance i noticed the graphics seemed to be downgraded from what i was used to on GT5, All the tracks looked grainy and the environment in general was just not as defined.

Once i figured everything out i went to the world tour, From the time i let go of the clutch i knew this was a completely different game! You could feel the torque steer in the POS car i was driving, After a few corners i could also feel the loss of grip from entering the corner to fast and how the grip comes back in a fashion much closer to real life.

I decided to move on to the event list, bought the 93 Cobra R Mustang, Then the 03 Saleen Mustang, 11 Shelby Mustang, And now the 13 Boss Mustang. All i can say is i am impressed with Forza! This game brings the sounds of these cars to life and how they drive in the game is almost how these things drive in real life around a race track! So far i have completed all c-b-a class events.

I am also using a 4-5 year old 1080p DLP 60inch samsung tv right now, Maybe that is why things dont look so good on screen with forza. Also all aids were turned off on both games.

So the final conclusion is Forza 4 feels a lot better in my opinion after only 20ish hours of gameplay.

These are again just my opinion, but just a little back ground. I have been to a handful of open track days at VIR (Virginia International Raceway) several auto X events, and have been a drag racer since i have had a license to drive (18 years). I have owned a bunch of high powered rear wheel drive cars. This is what i am basing my opinion off of in comparison to real life.


Quick summery

Graphics in general (cars, tracks and environment)- Gt5

Cockpit view- Forza 4

Car list, options, painting, and tuning- Forza 4

Track list- GT5

Engine sounds- Forza 4

Physics- Forza 4

Game in general- I think GT5 is missing a ton of stuff, It seems like they released a demo in comparison to the previous GT games( No excuse imo for this as it took 6 years to be released). Forza 4 feels like a complete game. Although I would have liked to have seen more tracks in Forza.

Online play- I can only rate GT5 in this since i have not played Forza online yet, But i think GT5 is great racing online if you find the right room.

Overall- I really like both of the games, each have there good and bad.

 

[SuperShouden]

Quick summery

Graphics in general (cars, tracks and environment)- Gt5

Cockpit view- Forza 4

Car list, options, painting, and tuning- Forza 4

Track list- GT5

Engine sounds- Forza 4

Physics- Forza 4

Game in general- I think GT5 is missing a ton of stuff, It seems like they released a demo in comparison to the previous GT games( No excuse imo for this as it took 6 years to be released). Forza 4 feels like a complete game. Although I would have liked to have seen more tracks in Forza.

Online play- I can only rate GT5 in this since i have not played Forza online yet, But i think GT5 is great racing online if you find the right room.

Overall- I really like both of the games, each have there good and bad.

Quick summery

Graphics in general (cars, tracks and environment)- Gt5

Cockpit view- GT5. At least GT5 has a full cockpit that you can look around in, unlike Forza's driver only view. And the interiors look better in GT5.

Car list, options, painting, and tuning- Forza 4

Track list- GT5

Engine sounds- Forza 4

Physics - I'm going to give this to GT5 solely because GT5 has weather.

Game in general - I'm going to say even, on this one. I rather like Forza's Event List (you can make a crap load of money with it.) But, I love GT5's day/night and weather...so...

Online play - GT5. I've not played Forza 4 online...but there's a reason for that. I've not had many good experiences with Forza online.

Overall - Again, even. When it comes down to it, both games have their strengths and weaknesses and I like them equally. Granted the edge might be towards GT5, but, I like FM4 too.

 

[UKMikey]

Physics - I'm going to give this to GT5 solely because GT5 has weather.

To be fair weather and physics are two separate areas.

 

[thelvynau]

To be fair weather and physics are two separate areas.

would the cars handling change due to weather its still physics just another variable.

 

[Bopop4]

Yes, rain would require different physics, but you can't say that GT5 has better physics because it has rain.
That's like saying GTA:SA has better physics because rain affects driving.

 

[McLaren]

Cockpit view- GT5. At least GT5 has a full cockpit that you can look around in, unlike Forza's driver only view. And the interiors look better in GT5.

They better for the amount of time PD claims to have spent on each car. Then again, I like the fact all the cars have a satisfactory amount of detail rather than a game were 700 don't & have to adopt this after release.

Physics - I'm going to give this to GT5 solely because GT5 has weather.

Wait? What?

 

[Samus]

indeed, I'll take 500 pretty good interiors over 200 very good and 800 god awful ones any day. Consistency is the name of the game and GT5 lacks it. It's funny because those sillhouette cockpits wouldn't have even been acceptable on a PS1 game so it's amazing that they're accepted on a PS3 one.

 

[SuperShouden]

Yes, rain would require different physics, but you can't say that GT5 has better physics because it has rain.
That's like saying GTA:SA has better physics because rain affects driving.

I can say whatever I want. It's my opinion. If you don't like it, that's your problem. To be honest though, it's not just the weather physics that makes GT5 better...I just think it's physics are better in general. But, I'd still wanna play both games back to back.

To be fair...I'd rate Forza Horizon about even with FM4 because there's somethings that make it better, and others that make it worse. But I'd also rate GT5 even with the Forza games for the same reason.

EDIT: Yes, saying GT5 is better because it has rain physics is like saying Forza 4 is better because it has Porsche........Yeah, 'cause I don't hear that EVERY #%@#$# time a Forza game comes out with Porsche in it. If Forza can be better than GT5 because it has a certain make or model, then GT5 can be better because it has rain.

 

[Terronium-12]

I can say whatever I want. It's my opinion. If you don't like it, that's your problem. To be honest though, it's not just the weather physics that makes GT5 better...I just think it's physics are better in general. But, I'd still wanna play both games back to back.

To be fair...I'd rate Forza Horizon about even with FM4 because there's somethings that make it better, and others that make it worse. But I'd also rate GT5 even with the Forza games for the same reason.

EDIT: Yes, saying GT5 is better because it has rain physics is like saying Forza 4 is better because it has Porsche........Yeah, 'cause I don't hear that EVERY #%@#$# time a Forza game comes out with Porsche in it. If Forza can be better than GT5 because it has a certain make or model, then GT5 can be better because it has rain.

So first you say GT5 is better than FM4 solely because it has weather, now you're saying that's not the only reason? What.

Then you go onto saying GT5 is about even with FM4 because there are some things that make it better while others make it worse? What.

You need to pick one argument and stick to it, otherwise you're running yourself around in apparent redundancy.

 

[Tornado]

James isn't saying that you aren't allowed to say that and you need to stop expressing yourself. He's saying that you saying it is dumb; which isn't changed by whether or not other people say other dumb things in response.

 

[dice1998]

To be honest though, it's not just the weather physics that makes GT5 better...I just think it's physics are better in general. But, I'd still wanna play both games back to back.

Physics? What physics?

 

[SuperShouden]

So first you say GT5 is better than FM4 solely because it has weather, now you're saying that's not the only reason? What.

Then you go onto saying GT5 is about even with FM4 because there are some things that make it better while others make it worse? What.

You need to pick one argument and stick to it, otherwise you're running yourself around in apparent redundancy.

I think you missed this below. I never said it was better SOLELY because of the weather. In FACT, if people would listen, I'm actually saying that Forza and GT are both really good games, and they both have their faults and strengths. It's just...after playing Forza for a while, I'd like to play a little GT5...and after playing GT5, I'm sure I'd like to play Forza.

Quick summery

Graphics in general (cars, tracks and environment)- Gt5

Cockpit view- GT5. At least GT5 has a full cockpit that you can look around in, unlike Forza's driver only view. And the interiors look better in GT5.

Car list, options, painting, and tuning- Forza 4

Track list- GT5

Engine sounds- Forza 4

Physics - I'm going to give this to GT5 solely because GT5 has weather.

Game in general - I'm going to say even, on this one. I rather like Forza's Event List (you can make a crap load of money with it.) But, I love GT5's day/night and weather...so...

Online play - GT5. I've not played Forza 4 online...but there's a reason for that. I've not had many good experiences with Forza online.

Overall - Again, even. When it comes down to it, both games have their strengths and weaknesses and I like them equally. Granted the edge might be towards GT5, but, I like FM4 too.

James isn't saying that you aren't allowed to say that and you need to stop expressing yourself. He's saying that you saying it is dumb; which isn't changed by whether or not other people say other dumb things in response.

Stop expres....how come, if I said this, I'd get a warning and flamed to all ends, but when someone like Toronado says it, nothing happens. I mean, talk about your abusive comments. "Stop expressing yourself" "He saying that you saying it is dumb." WTF? First of all, it's a forum, you nitwit, it's not a forum if I can't freely express my opinions. If I can't then, screw you all. I'll just not comment here. Doesn't hurt my feelings. Yeah, it's a little frustrating, but whatever. Second of all, please don't insult my intelligence when I am expressing my opinion, because that just makes me want to insult your intelligence, idiot.

Physics? What physics?

You know, when I crash in Forza 4 and roll over...it's equally as stupid as GT5. So...if GT5 doesn't have physics, neither does Forza 4. Sorry, it's true. And I think, since GT5 is outselling Forza 4 like 3 to 1, that GT5 actually has some descent physics...unless all 9 million people who've played GT5 are complete idiots.


EDIT: Also....YOU'RE IN A GT FORUM YOU STUPID....GRRRRRRR!! I forgot that this is the Forza fanboy area. Yeah I said the banned word, because that's what this is...This isn't Forza vs. GT, this is Forza Rules, GT Drools, and it should be entitled as such. Seriously, people, there is a ForzaPlanet, if you didn't know. Why don't you go complain about GT5 physics over there. Seriously, both of these threads should be moved over there since they're mainly GT bashing. I mean, I can understand some threads about what's bad in GT5, but...when the title suggests a normal conversation about the comparison between the two, then it's really annoying when someone says they prefer GT5 over Forza and they just get ripped into for no real reason.

 

[Bopop4]

Physics? What physics?

James isn't saying that you aren't allowed to say that and you need to stop expressing yourself. He's saying that you saying it is dumb; which isn't changed by whether or not other people say other dumb things in response.

Exactly.





Oh my, where do I even start with this...

I can say whatever I want. It's my opinion. If you don't like it, that's your problem. To be honest though, it's not just the weather physics that makes GT5 better...I just think it's physics are better in general. But, I'd still wanna play both games back to back.

If you've never played both games then you hardly have an argument.

To be fair...I'd rate Forza Horizon about even with FM4 because there's somethings that make it better, and others that make it worse. But I'd also rate GT5 even with the Forza games for the same reason.

On what level? Physics? Because the devs even said that they toned down Horizon to appeal more to the casual gamer, so it has nothing on FM4 physics.

EDIT: Yes, saying GT5 is better because it has rain physics is like saying Forza 4 is better because it has Porsche........

Those are both very dumb things to say.

Yeah, 'cause I don't hear that EVERY #%@#$# time a Forza game comes out with Porsche in it. If Forza can be better than GT5 because it has a certain make or model, then GT5 can be better because it has rain.

No one ever said that FM4 was better than GT5 because of Porsche, I don't know where you came up with that...
So that means that no, GT5 can't be better just because it has rain.






Play both games, and then come back to talk about it.



Edit: OH LAWDY, WE GOT OURSELVES A LIVE ONE BOYS!
No one here is a fanboy, I'm not even going to try and respond to your mess of letters, but you're getting ripped apart because you're stating useless "facts".
(And actually, I think that you're the fanboy here.)

 

[Terronium-12]

I think you missed this below. I never said it was better SOLELY because of the weather.

You didn't?

Quick summery

Graphics in general (cars, tracks and environment)- Gt5

Cockpit view- GT5. At least GT5 has a full cockpit that you can look around in, unlike Forza's driver only view. And the interiors look better in GT5.

Car list, options, painting, and tuning- Forza 4

Track list- GT5

Engine sounds- Forza 4

Physics - I'm going to give this to GT5 solely because GT5 has weather.

Game in general - I'm going to say even, on this one. I rather like Forza's Event List (you can make a crap load of money with it.) But, I love GT5's day/night and weather...so...

Online play - GT5. I've not played Forza 4 online...but there's a reason for that. I've not had many good experiences with Forza online.

Overall - Again, even. When it comes down to it, both games have their strengths and weaknesses and I like them equally. Granted the edge might be towards GT5, but, I like FM4 too.

Hm. Either I'm misreading the bit in bold, or it says exactly what you're claiming to never have said.

Also, watch the insults.

 

[Tornado]

Stop expres....how come, if I said this, I'd get a warning and flamed to all ends, but when someone like Toronado says it, nothing happens. I mean, talk about your abusive comments. "Stop expressing yourself" "He saying that you saying it is dumb." WTF? First of all, it's a forum, you nitwit, it's not a forum if I can't freely express my opinions. If I can't then, screw you all. I'll just not comment here. Doesn't hurt my feelings. Yeah, it's a little frustrating, but whatever. Second of all, please don't insult my intelligence when I am expressing my opinion, because that just makes me want to insult your intelligence, idiot.

I'm starting to think that you are a tsundere from a particularly lazily written anime. "I...It's not like I WANT to post here Logan! Baka!"


Lower the rage a bit and actually read what I said.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Online play - GT5. I've not played Forza 4 online...but there's a reason for that. I've not had many good experiences with Forza online.

"Which game is better? Oh, X game. Have I played Y? Well, no, but I played other, previous ones, so that determines it."

I think you missed this below. I never said it was better SOLELY because of the weather.

Yet...

To be honest though, it's not just the weather physics that makes GT5 better...I just think it's physics are better in general. But, I'd still wanna play both games back to back.

Physics - I'm going to give this to GT5 solely because GT5 has weather.

Stop expres....how come, if I said this, I'd get a warning and flamed to all ends, but when someone like Toronado says it, nothing happens. I mean, talk about your abusive comments. "Stop expressing yourself" "He saying that you saying it is dumb." WTF?

Toronado is not telling you to stop expressing yourself; re-read the sentence. And yes, saying the weather in GT5 somehow makes the physics better is a silly statement. GT's had wet-weather taken into consideration since GT3; they've added more visuals and a sliding scale of wet-weather affect in GT5. If that matters more to you than, say, an attempt at a tire model that actually represents real life, then yeah, go ahead. But it's an odd choice.

First of all, it's a forum, you nitwit,

One.

it's not a forum if I can't freely express my opinions.

You can as long as you follow the AUP, which you have trouble with.

If I can't then, screw you all.

See above.

I'll just not comment here. Doesn't hurt my feelings. Yeah, it's a little frustrating, but whatever. Second of all, please don't insult my intelligence when I am expressing my opinion, because that just makes me want to insult your intelligence...

Odd, since people seem to lash out with abusive comments precisely when they're emotionally affected by something.

idiot.

Two.

You know, when I crash in Forza 4 and roll over...it's equally as stupid as GT5. So...if GT5 doesn't have physics, neither does Forza 4. Sorry, it's true.

And when I floor the throttle in a 600hp Cobra for a drag race in both games, the results are surprisingly different. Sorry, it's true.

And I think, since GT5 is outselling Forza 4 like 3 to 1, that GT5 actually has some descent physics...unless all 9 million people who've played GT5 are complete idiots.

Ah, the old numbers approach. By that reasoning, Avatar is the best movie ever made.

 

[Minty]

Wow...


sometimes I can laugh when someone contradicts themselves, but...

to use the exact phrasing to do so is...

wow.