FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[KinLM]

You didn't?

Hm. Either I'm misreading the bit in bold, or it says exactly what you're claiming to never have said.

Also, watch the insults.

So I'm not the only one who's in disbelief by his contradictory claims..

It feels good to not be a loner

And as a summary of the games.. Both are so different, it's really hard to compare them. I used to prefer GT5, but the more I play the two, the more Forza seems to have the edge. Comparing these two games is in some ways pointless, as what's lacking in one game is very strong in the other in many cases. Overall it comes down to just personal preference the way I see it..

 

[thelvynau]

I dont understand the problem.

Its gt vs forza why wouldnt the people respond to people who make claims about each game.

I wouldnt say its all forza.

 

[Scaff]

This next part is a separate issue, but it has to do with what SuperShouden said about this thread basically being a Pro-Forza environment. I've noticed he wasn't the first to bring this up, but from what I remember from reading through the pages of this thread, there have been a lot of times I've seen where someone mentioned they liked or prefer GT in a good manner only to be "jumped" on by people who prefer Forza. To be fair, a lot of those times the GT people don't make good arguments but I find it difficult to see this thread as unbiased or to not agree with SuperShouden's assessment.

This is a point I've addressed in this thread before, but believe it bears repeating.

No one gets jumped on for preferring one over the other, however making blanket claims without any form of reason, as an example I've lost count of the number of "GT is better 'cos Forza is just arcade" comments that have been posted in here. Now if someone were to post the same about GT in here or on the main GT boards do you not think a similar thing would happen?

I certainly do.

We also have (for reasons I would not want to speculate on) a mindset that often refuses to acknowledge issues with GT that doesn't occur with FM. Take for example the very polite and reasonable discussion of how the tuning screens are accessed and laid out in FM that is going on at the moment. Its critical of FM on the whole and also points out the areas of GT that could do with being incorporated in FM. I'm yet to see such a discussion exist in reverse, rather we get comments about how GT5 has better on-line that FM because it has private rooms, completely ignoring the fact that FM4 also has private rooms (again please imagine what would happen if someone were to make that claim in regard to GT on the GT boards..

Now no discussion is going to be un-biased (that is simply not possible), I would however state that most of the FM players in here have come from GT and speak with a fair degree of knowledge about both series, a good number of the GT advocates however seem to have never actually spent any quality time with FM, which results in totally inaccurate statements being made.

 

[Fkitbtn]

What gets me is I'm a bimmer guy through and through and on forza you can get pretty much any BMW you want and not only that, but you can engine swap them! GT5 driving simulation is more realistic IMO but I'm still tempted all the time to get rid of my PS3 and GT5 for BMWs in forza.. It also really gets me that I've been trying to refresh the used car lot every time I log in and have yet to be able to get an E36 M Coupe or a E46 CSL and it seems like there are a hundred different versions of skyrines that are all the same thing.. not to mention the BMWs seem to handle worse than half the tuner cars in GT5 when modded, not so true in real life..

I could go on about how I feel about the BMWs in GT5 all day but in the long run I just wish they had put more time into them than giving us modded pirus's and random japanese economy cars..

 

[Spagetti69]

Yes the UCD is a strange decision IMHO.
In this day and age of online play people want access to the cars they need without the hassle.

I realise the the UCD has quite a few followers that appreciate the "chance element".

A suggestion for the next game would be to allow the access to all dealers at anytime. They could still implement a UCD running in tandem that's offers the odd bargain and such. That way all players may feel happy.

 

[HBK]

The problem with UCD is the problem of many other features in GT5, the game tries too hard to be real life-like. Stuff like oil changes, car washes and engine running in may seem to be fun at first glance but ultimately are just a grind when you have a hundred cars in the garage.

And this actually quite accurately summarize the whole game. GT juste doesn't know where to stand. It tries too hard incorporating elements reminding of real life without asking if it makes sense in the first place. And on the other hand it incorporates super realistic elements such as the Poke-paint hunt (which doesn't makes sense either, but hey, that at least is consistent, I'll grant them that).

It's not like the game is some kind of used car owner simulator of some sorts. It's a "car game" in it's most basic form. You buy cars. You upgrade them. You tune them. You drive them. Having to wash the car to keep it shiny doesn't really fit into such a basic structure. It just doesn't make sense. It's just here to say "hey it's like real life you have to wash your car!".

The same goes with UCD. It kinda looks like real life, but within the scope of the game it's mostly an annoyance that slows down the player in its ability to buy the cars he want.

Bottom line: Clicking on some button to wash the car isn't fun. Refreshing the UCD so that you can finally buy that car you want isn't fun. Stop mimicking real-life for the sake of it.

 

[Exorcet]

As far as the UCD goes, you can argue the opposite too. Since when are there only 30 cars available at a time to someone looking to buy? I can Google up hundreds of used sports cars of the same model with various mileage and color. If GT5's UCD was anything like real life, you would leave with the car you wanted on the first visit most of the time.

 

[Tornado]

Plus the fact that the GT5 used car lot isn't a used car lot so much as a dumping ground for leftovers from previous games, and are priced to match. Even in previous games PD didn't seem to get how depreciation works for used cars.

 

[HBK]

Yep, long story short, UCD (as well as many other features of GT5) sucks, unfortunately.

And in the end it really looks like a poor attempt to help swallow the whole "Standard" thing, instead of a fully fledged feature that actually adds to the game.

 

[SuperShouden]

So, for January 15th, Forza Horizon players get three free Hondas. GT5 players get a free C7 Corvette...call me crazy, but I'd rather have the Corvette.

 

[wolfsburgraz]

So, for January 15th, Forza Horizon players get three free Hondas. GT5 players get a free C7 Corvette...call me crazy, but I'd rather have the Corvette.

Just like how I preferred the SRT Viper for Forza 4 last June to GT's FR-S? See how snarky comments don't advance the conversation at all (also discounting the fact that your post should have been in the vs. DLC thread)?

 

[Exorcet]

I prefer the Viper too, all 3 of the 2013 models. And Porsches, and Gumpert, and SSC, and Radical, and...

I do wish Forza had fan cars like the 2J though.

 

[SuperShouden]

You know, it doesn't really work when Forza also got the FR-S. Granted, I prefer the Viper, as well. But, the FR-S isn't a bad car. And GT has the BR-Z, FR-S and GT86. But, I understand your point. I was just being silly. Also, Porsche doesn't count. Sony obviously doesn't want to pay EA for the license, which is completely understandable. I'm wary about giving EA money, too. SSC, Radical, Ultima I don't really care for.

To be honest, I actually do prefer Forza 4's car selection. I was just stating. And you know what, I think three Honda's vs. a Corvette is worse than the FR-S vs. the Viper.

 

[TokoTurismo]

So, for January 15th, Forza Horizon players get three free Hondas. GT5 players get a free C7 Corvette...call me crazy, but I'd rather have the Corvette.

I'm so hyped for the Corvette, can't wait to drive that instead of Honda cars imo...
I love the Viper as well, but the Corvette has my full attention.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

You know, it doesn't really work when Forza also got the FR-S.

I'd be very surprised if FM5 doesn't end up with the new Vette, anyways. For that matter, even Horizon might get it.

And GT has the BR-Z, FR-S and GT86.

Yeah, that's one thing FM4 really loses out to GT on, the high number of near-duplicates. Drats.

Also, Porsche doesn't count.

Sure it does.

Sony obviously doesn't want to pay EA for the license, which is completely understandable. I'm wary about giving EA money, too.

That I'll agree with, even to the point I won't spend the $15 I've seen Shift 2 for lately, just to have access to some tracks I don't get to enjoy elsewhere.

 

[Com Fox]

i do have something to say about gt5 having 600 japanese cars.
CUT 500 OF THE JAPANESE CARS DOWN
+500 cars will be in GT5
100 will be japanese
400 will be REST OF THE WORLD
and theres over 500 cars in forza
(this was not counting DLC)

 

[Minty]

I thought FM4 only had 400 without DLC.

 

[Com Fox]

u could b right but i thought thats forza 3

 

[Luminis]

I thought FM4 only had 400 without DLC.

665 with DLC, 503 on the discs including unicorns (of which there are 17), so there are 486 cars available for purchase on the discs. Also, 10 cars from the American Muscle Car Pack and 5 cars from the VIP car pack.

518 cars on launch day, 486 of which would've been available without any sort of internet connection or whatever.

I like your font colour, by the way.

 

[SuperShouden]

Two things:

1. I can tell Turn10 didn't spend as much time on some cars as it did others because the interior sounds on a LOT of cars are the same as the exterior sounds. Granted, in some cars, that might be accurate, but when ALL the BMWs I've driven only have very slightly muffled exterior noise sounds, it gets into the stupid. Even GT at least muffled the engine noises more than an decibel or two. It makes no sense.

2. The Prius. So, in GT, if you fully tune the Prius, they take out the batteries and you have a pretty decent sounding race car. In Forza....they keep the batteries in and you have a car that sounds like a snowblower. Yippie. I would LOVE it if FM5 allowed you to remove the batteries from the Hybrids. It reduces the weight, and gets rid of crappy engine noises.


EDIT: On the Porsche thing: If I remember correctly, Turn10, at the beginning basically said that EA was stupid and they REALLY didn't want to pay them money for the Porsche license because they, themselves don't believe in exclusive licenses because it's bit unfair, hence why they gave up their exclusive Ferrari license. They wanted a fair, even playing field. Dan even said that he likes seeing his favorite cars in every game possible. But, of course, the Forza community whined and cried over not having Porsche, and MS gave in and forked out the money to EA.

PD has never really been one to push for a license. I believe Kaz once said that they have so many manufacturers that with every game, they simply ask a make once to be in the game, and if they say, no, they don't have time to argue. Which is also probably true with Turn10. Although, they said they were bugging Porsche constantly about their license.

That said, Porsche didn't renew their exclusive license with EA. (This might be part of EA's legal issues with having exclusive licenses, actually. They got sued by 2KGames for hogging the Football licenses, and I think part of the settlement might have been that EA can no longer have exclusive licenses. Of course, the courts let the contracts run out, but...EA doesn't play well with others.)

 

[Luminis]

1.: Still better than... Ah, no point in beating that dead horse again.
2.: What's the point of a Prius if you un-hybrid it? But, yeah, engine and drivetrain swaps. Totally FM4's weak side.

 

[Terronium-12]

EDIT: On the Porsche thing: If I remember correctly, Turn10, at the beginning basically said that EA was stupid and they REALLY didn't want to pay them money for the Porsche license because they, themselves don't believe in exclusive licenses because it's bit unfair, hence why they gave up their exclusive Ferrari license. They wanted a fair, even playing field. Dan even said that he likes seeing his favorite cars in every game possible. But, of course, the Forza community whined and cried over not having Porsche, and MS gave in and forked out the money to EA.

Please stop saying things that just aren't true. They were still negotiating a possible agreement during the announcement that Porsche wasn't going to be an initial part of Forza 4. It had nothing to do with the community having "whined and cried over not having Porsche."

 

[SuperShouden]

Please stop saying things that just aren't true. They were still negotiating a possible agreement during the announcement that Porsche wasn't going to be an initial part of Forza 4. It had nothing to do with the community having "whined and cried over not having Porsche."

I did say "If I remember correctly." Apparently I didn't. Don't be a douche about it.

 

[Terronium-12]

So you did. I didn't notice that for obvious reasons, my apologies.

 

[Com Fox]

I've always hated exclusive licences it makes me want to hate the company who brought it.
Personally ruf is not that bad and it is the closet we can get to a porsche.

 

[Samus]

That said, Porsche didn't renew their exclusive license with EA.

Source?

 

[Lock2Lock]

Personally ruf is not that bad and it is the closet we can get to a porsche.

RUF CTR Yellowbird nuff said

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I've always hated exclusive licences it makes me want to hate the company who brought it.
Personally ruf is not that bad and it is the closet we can get to a porsche.

It is, but only having access to RUF ignores a vast portion of one of the definitive sporting car manufacturers in the world. Nevermind that we miss out on a lot of road models (especially those that aren't 911's), but Porsche's racing pedigree is astounding, and RUF has no direct replacements for that.

I used to think they were a pretty decent option too, and RUF are definitely interesting in their own right, but Porsche has quickly moved into being my third-most-used manufacturer in FM4, and if that sort of lineup were available in either the next FM or the next GT, I imagine a lot of players would enjoy it too 👍

 

[Com Fox]

But GT wouldn't pay money to EA, Neither would I.
I love Porsches (especially the 911) but ruf shouldn't be hated just because they are used as replacements.

 

[Minty]

Who said they hated RUF?

I just see people saying they like RUF, but they don't get nearly the model range you'd get with an actual Porsche license. I wouldn't pay money to EA myself for Porsche, no, but I'd appreciate it if the designer of my game of choice were willing to spare a few of their hundreds of millions of dollars to add something that so many people want. Especially considering at the end of the day they would likely still make a profit. Because I'd bet willing to be the majority of "RUF is fine for now" folks would shell out $20 for a Porsche expansion on GT the same way those people did for FM4.

665 with DLC, 503 on the discs including unicorns (of which there are 17), so there are 486 cars available for purchase on the discs. Also, 10 cars from the American Muscle Car Pack and 5 cars from the VIP car pack.

518 cars on launch day, 486 of which would've been available without any sort of internet connection or whatever.

I like your font colour, by the way.

Ah, I stand corrected then. Memory of that was a bit fuzzy, thanks.

You've got a nice font color, too.